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NARUTO

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"Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 02:36

OK since TE thread is become a little bit bigger to throw an other subject I open a new thread for that.
In TE thread we have talked about characters but what about the "Technical" part if I can say so. I mean what kind of Graphisms, sound, and game system did you wish for??

IMO Even if I know that there is a 80% chances that the game will run with GG graphics style (For sprites reash) I hope for a SF 3rd strike style since IMO those where the best graphisms ever for a VS game.

A nice thing would be that they mix background, for exemple to mix Jam street with Chun-li's bycicles, Or Axl London street with Talbain street, and on those two sound track, exemple again, on London if you fight a Sammy character you'll have Venom tune and if you fight a Capcom dude you'll got Cammy's tune (her SSF trubo tune is really good!).

the only point wher I really don't what they should do if the fighting system, makes diffent groove can be a very good of a very bad idea, CvS1 have 2 balanced one but it was the worst in booth side IMO (KOF 94 groove is damn too old!) and in CVS2 so much groove were unbalanced (Blanka on samurai groove anyone??) and as for the SvC this only groove was (still is) really lame IMO, I din't recognize nothing from Capcom or SNK in it. It's just too much diffrent from any SF or KOF game, and if the game i balanced with one groove I still find ridiculous this "Super bonanza" when LV 3 is here, Can't they limit those to one???

here the problem is even worst since Capcom game and sammy's (so far GG) are really diferent maybe 2 groove but wisely selected can be a good thing. Still the IK shouldn be there IMO since they can "break" the game (even in GGXX some characters have a disadvantage with those) and for what I saw even GG palyer doesn't use them a lot.

So what are your guesses??

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Ishmael

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"Re(1):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 08:36

If the team making SAMvC felt the need to have multiple grooves they would probably have only two since the multiple groove thing was supposed to be reminiscent of old fighting engines of SNK and Capcom and as of right now all Sammy has is the GG series to draw from. Maybe Rumblefish has some some incredible game features that would warrent it's own groove but I haven't played it so I don't know.

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Still the IK shouldn be there IMO since they can "break" the game (even in GGXX some characters have a disadvantage with those) and for what I saw even GG palyer doesn't use them a lot.

How have IK's broken the GG games? In GGX and X2 the IK's came across more as a novelty or something fun to do against the CPU than something that could be worked into a normal match. [Note: I'm not including GG1 into this since that game had plenty of problems in addition to it's too powerful IK's.]

Sano

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"Re(2):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 09:49:

Can Sammy even use Rumblefish characters? According to this, Dimps (makers of Dragon Ball Z Budokai) is the Developer and Sammy is the producer.

Link Here

It's starting to look more and more like the Game will be Guilty Gear vs. all of Capcom indeed...

[this message was edited by Sano on Wed 25 Feb 09:50]

Henaki
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"Re(3):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 11:25

Arc Systems owns GG, not Sammy, Sammy just produces GG.

It's like saying "Well, Bob Bobson worked on Street Fighter 4, but we can't use Takahashi in Street Fighter 5 beause Bob decided to give him a pair of cargo pants even though we distributed the game."

So...how about those...things....

talbaineric

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"Re(1):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 15:41

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and if you fight a Capcom dude you'll got Cammy's tune (her SSF trubo tune is really good!).

Yeah,it was an awesome tune,wasn't it?

I'd like to see Talbain and Cammy's stages in a different light. Maybe Talbain's in dusk,and Cammy's in the daytime,without the Northern Lights.

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Burning Ranger

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"Re(2):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Wed 25 Feb 20:19

As for the music... when SNK vs Capcom was announced (the original Naomi version done by Capcom, way back in 1999), I was really hoping for a rock version of Ryu's SF2 theme, done in the same style as Kyo's 'Esaka?' (KOF96/98) music. Really, I wanted to hear a lot of Capcom music done in SNK's rock style. However, that didn't really happen...

...so I'm hoping that some kind of Guilty Gear style remixes of Capcom music could be done (maybe with Daisuke Ishiwatari personally involved).

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EddyT

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"Re(3):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 00:39

I'd like to see the game as sickly animated as the SF3 series and Mark of the Wolves. But I don't think Sammy would want to make redone sprites for GG characters.

I expect the game to be pretty, but play a little more like GG and MvC2. I also expect the game to feature more off-the-wall characters from Capcom's world like Darkstalkers or Rival Schools than traditional fighters like SF characters. I think the roster would be about 20 characters as well, and Robo-Ky and Cyber-Gouki will be hidden characters.

NARUTO

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"Re(4):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 03:32

Ishmael: well when I mean broken the game it's because of the cheap possibility to win a round even if you only got a last milimeter of life. This could lead to some one who ruled the match then because of a really cheap mistake will loose it... So an exceed system a la SvC is more far since it deals good damage but not a sure death.
Especialy when characters like Dizzy doean't have it, she's disadvantaged agaisn't other since you can be as lucky as you wish you'll never kill him in one blow when your opponent can.

As for the characters game I think to a SF/DS vs GG/RF like henaki said sammy didn't make any game they produce it so GG and ruùmble fish characters can be used still I don't think that they'll used characters from other game that VS like Dophin blue or Demolition fist like that won't use characters who doesn't comes already from a vs capcom game.

TE: Yes this tune is good and her background too! BUT keep the northern light!!

Burning ranger, I think most of us are wishing for music remixes.

EddyT: well who know they're maybe less lazy as capcom so some new sprite can till be done.

Ammadeau

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"Re(4):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 03:46

quote:
I'd like to see the game as sickly animated as the SF3 series and Mark of the Wolves. But I don't think Sammy would want to make redone sprites for GG characters.

Why would they have to redo anything? They could just double the frame count for GG characters while keeping their original frames. The only change would be smoothing the transitions between poses.

NARUTO

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"Re(5):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 04:13

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Why would they have to redo anything?

In order to make a good game with less sprites re-ash... And unlike CvS and SvC where a company where making the game alone with a little halp of the other company, in this one it seems that they're booth at 50% inside, so the "I keep my graphic style for less work" don't works perfectly here.

Iggy

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"Re(6):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 05:45

quote:
booth

Just, please. I can't take it anymore.
It's "both". one "o".

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答えは一つ。
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Sano

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"Re(7):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Thu 26 Feb 14:27:

If I was king of the world, here's how I would make the game. Note that I'm not much for match ups because I feel that if the roster is balanced people can figure it out themselves, but since everyone makes a match up list, I'll follow suit. The game should be mostly GG vs. DS I feel, just like all the other inter-game crossovers have been mostly KOF vs. SF.

Sol Bad-guy vs. Donovan - Main characters, Sword users, and a great clash of personalities.
Ky Kyske vs. Phobo-Ky - Phobo-Ky is a robotic combination of Phobos and Ky.
May vs. Rikuo - Dolphin user vs. the real thing
Millia vs. Felicia - Hairy women
Axl Low vs. Gallon - English
I-No vs. Zabel - Rockers
Johnny vs. Queen Bee - Johnny attempts to recruit QB
Faust vs. Sasquatch "WTF are these guys" match
Potemkin vs. Victor - Frankensteins
Baiken vs. Bishamon - Samurais
Jam vs. Lei Lei - Chinese
Slayer vs. Demitri - Vampires
Dizzy vs. Morrigan - Winged women. Lilith might be better, but if we use MVC Morrigan we have Lilith.
Bridget vs. Bulleta - Red Riding Hoods
Zappa vs. Anakaris - One's possesed by spirits, the other has Khiribi... ah, screw explanations! I want these two in the game!

Hidden Characters

Capcom Side -

Ryu - MVC1 Ryu. can turn red/Ken and black/Gouki.
Chun-Li - for those who think she's a good match up for Jam
Q - A more obvious match up for Faust
Dante - will kick Sol's Ass!
Hayato - Can match up against Sol or Ky
Ingrid - She needs to be in a game!
Kujo Jotaro (Hey, I can dream...)

Sammy Side -

3 Rumblefish, 2 from their Samurai Game, one from Sammy's old all girl game and Guts from Berserk! (Okay, still dreaming!)

Bosses

Capcom Side - Jedah
Sammy Side - Testament

Final Bosses -

Capcom Side - Baiken weariing Bishamon's Armor!

Sammy Side - Eddie possesed by the Shadow from Vampire Savior!

And anyone else I left out, I'd like to refer to them as "Sequel Money!"

[this message was edited by Sano on Thu 26 Feb 17:47]

NARUTO

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"Re(8):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Fri 27 Feb 02:19

the problem with such list is that if you ask 12 fan you'll have 12 list... and I won't open a healed wound, but all your Jojo and bersek thing are completely useless, and even if we didn't get a DSvsGG I' think that we won't have other characters than those who comes from a VS game, thus far making all your samurai, Dante, Mageman and such characters useless too. Maybe in a sequel.
The mixed boss can be a good idea though...

Finaly Sano, it doesn't explain what kind of game system you wish to see....

PS: Iggy même si mes fautes te derange, ne perd pas ton temps avec....

Sano

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"Re(9):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Fri 27 Feb 06:41:

MVC2 + Guilty Gear system.

Please note that all my odd ball selections are hidden characters. Remove them, and you have DS vs. GG, what the game should be in a perfect world. I just don't think the game will sell at all without other Capcom Characters. Least I made them Hidden.

[this message was edited by Sano on Fri 27 Feb 09:06]

Sano

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"Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Fri 27 Feb 09:37

To elaborate, 'my' game will play like Guilty Gear, but will have the insane Supers of MVC2. You can't form teams as it is single player all the way. Oh, and 2 Grooves. GG Groove allows for Instant Kills, and DS Groove allows for Dark Force Auras.

NARUTO

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"Re(2):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Fri 27 Feb 11:09

Well the instant kill s here cause some problem since whatever the bonus an aura will give you those in GG mode can still kill you in one single blow...
That's why I think they should remove them or turn them to something closer to the SvC exceed.

Sano

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"Re(3):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Fri 27 Feb 14:34

But when you actually play GG against people in Arcade Competition, you have to be pretty sucky to get caught with an Instant Kill. You can see them coming a mile away.

NARUTO

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"Re(4):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Sat 28 Feb 04:53

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But when you actually play GG against people in Arcade Competition, you have to be pretty sucky to get caught with an Instant Kill. You can see them coming a mile away.

Just like the HSDM in kof 2002 and they doesn't kill you. As for the SvC exceed some of them are really predictable...

Henaki
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"Re(4):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Sat 28 Feb 11:28

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But when you actually play GG against people in Arcade Competition, you have to be pretty sucky to get caught with an Instant Kill. You can see them coming a mile away.

Haha, sometimes you play some pretty suck people.

That's when I do instant-kills just to say "You need more practice".

(I play Potemkin, who has possibly the best IK if you do a Slide Head before you start it up).

So...how about those...things....

Altimus
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"Re(5):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Sat 28 Feb 23:02

IK moves are cheap in some ways.

Some characters (May and Jam) have full tension combos that can end with the opponent being Dizzy, they also have quick IK chargeup, so they can land it before the opponent can possibly get out of the dizzy motion.

NARUTO

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"Re(6):Re(10):Capcom VS sammy : thread 2" , posted Sun 29 Feb 02:21

quote:
IK moves are cheap in some ways.

Some characters (May and Jam) have full tension combos that can end with the opponent being Dizzy, they also have quick IK chargeup, so they can land it before the opponent can possibly get out of the dizzy motion.

That why a move that can kill you is in some way "cheap". So in SamVCap I only wish some damaging move.
anyway we should wait and see.