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| Kaepora 301th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Zelda Four Swords video"
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I personally think that things like this are a scam from Nintendo, but that's my personal bias against them.
Honestly, in order to do most things with games like this, you have to have the 4 GBAs and then the GC and the game itself. To me that seems like a waste of money.
Looking at it from a non-biased point of view, this is revolutionary and entertaining. It's another enjoyable co-op 4 player game. It seems the GC is coming out with a lot more of these since Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles.
I think it's a good idea, and it seems like a fun game, but the way they did it seems more scam like because of the requirement of multiple GBAs.
I don't like the GBA, and I'd nornally agree with you about the GBA hookup gimmick.
- Most connectivity feels added-on as a secondary (or tertiary) afterthought. Metroid's connectivity? Sad.
- The new Bond game (Everything or Nothing?) has GBA unlockables. But it's a multi-platform game, so did they add new stuff exclusive to the GC version or did they take otherwise-obtainable stuff from the other versions and require GC owners to have a GBA to unlock them?
However, I think that FF:CC and Four Swords are probably the only two games that actually use this as more than just a gimmick. FF:CC needs a personal screen for each player to avoid cluttering up the screen even more with inventory management and maps for four people. Four Swords looks like you'd need a separate screen so you can wander away from the party for treasure as part of the competitive aspect.
Four Swords doesn't interest me much though since I prefer straight co-op over competitive co-op. (FF:CC actually got that part right, one of the best things about the game.) I think it's because I just avoid conflict when possible; I usually get shorted in co-op games as far as equipment and spoils go.
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| DarkZero 632th Post
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| "Re(4):Zelda Four Swords video" , posted Sat 21 Feb 17:54
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I think that what Nintendo needs to do is have controllers with screens on them or something already. Perhaps their new project can incorporate that. It's a good way to advance gaming in a different direction.
At least nintendo is pushing the genre in ways that are new.
Exactly. The real problem with this isn't so much the combined requirement of the GBAs, the link cables, the game, and the console together, so much as having them all together at the right time. I have no problem having all of those things, but I couldn't imagine putting it all together at the same time with a bunch of friends. Either someone wouldn't own a GBA, or they wouldn't have their GBA on them, or they wouldn't own a link cable (I know I don't), etc. And all for... what? Alleviating the minor inconveniences of forcing everyone to stay on the same screen in Four Swords or momentarily stopping the game in FF:CC for inventory management, just like you have to in every other multiplayer dungeon hack?
If this was all built into the system, it would be ingenius. But separately, I think it's either a rip-off or just a monumental hassle. And the fact that some games, as Kaepora noted, just shove the GBA connectivity in for the sake of padding and/or advertising for other games (as is the case in Wario World, Metroid Prime, Metroid: Zero Mission, and many other Nintendo games) does absolutely nothing to take the sour "I'm being milked for all I'm worth" taste out of my mouth, either.
But hey, if you're a Nintendo diehard who knows lots of other Nintendo diehards in real life and you're all really into party games... well, I guess this is your sort of console.
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| VManOfMana 337th Post
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| "Re(5):Zelda Four Swords video" , posted Sun 22 Feb 00:54
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Exactly. The real problem with this isn't so much the combined requirement of the GBAs, the link cables, the game, and the console together, so much as having them all together at the right time. I have no problem having all of those things, but I couldn't imagine putting it all together at the same time with a bunch of friends. Either someone wouldn't own a GBA, or they wouldn't have their GBA on them, or they wouldn't own a link cable (I know I don't), etc. And all for... what? Alleviating the minor inconveniences of forcing everyone to stay on the same screen in Four Swords or momentarily stopping the game in FF:CC for inventory management, just like you have to in every other multiplayer dungeon hack?
If there is people who gather four XBox to play Halo or put together several computers to have a LAN party, how is this any worse?
I think the main idea behind this is for several people to have fun together. And "together" is the main word. In the same way that Seiken Denstsu 2 was extremely more fun when playing with the multitap, games like this can are meant to be played together to enjoy it as much as possible. Yeah, you do need to prepare to meet like this, but that it pays off, that's for sure.
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| Gestahr
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| "Re(6):Zelda Four Swords video" , posted Sun 22 Feb 14:05
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If there is people who gather four XBox to play Halo or put together several computers to have a LAN party, how is this any worse?
It's different(and worse) because those people can play Halo alone, or with friends. They don't need to have 4 X-Box's to have friends over for some Halo fun. The LAN party idea is slightly different, but even then, the problem is alleviated by the fact that 4 friends who want to play multiplayer Halo online don't all have to crowd into a single room. Even still, however, if you can't get 4 friends together to play Halo on a PC, you can play online against other people.
I think most people(myself included) are annoyed because these are incredible games(from what I've heard) that are marred by their hardware and personnel requirements. I'd like to get 4 friends into a room with 4 GBA's/LinkCables and play the hell out of these games, but given our schedules it isn't feasable. The problem is, again, that it's required.
If you want to get the most out of DDR, you need to get a dance pad, but the pad isn't required for play. If you get the pad, however, you're all set. You don't need to get 4 pads and 4 friends all in a single room at the same time to get the most out of DDR. I say this knowing that FF:CC does have a single player mode, but my understanding is that it's lackluster at best and the game only really shines as a multiplayer title. I'm sure the same can be said for the Four Swords title.
I think, however, if these games were online, you wouldn't have nearly as many people complaining. Even with the hardware requirement, it'd be a thousand times more playable if it were online as well. Or, hell, the option; Nintendo could have given people the option to use a regular controller with 4 other people if they wanted to. Who knows?
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| VManOfMana 338th Post
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| "Re(7):Zelda Four Swords video" , posted Sun 22 Feb 16:13
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I think, however, if these games were online, you wouldn't have nearly as many people complaining. Even with the hardware requirement, it'd be a thousand times more playable if it were online as well. Or, hell, the option; Nintendo could have given people the option to use a regular controller with 4 other people if they wanted to. Who knows?
I don't know about you, but for me, a multiplayer game with all players in the same room >>>> a multiplayer game with all player in unknown locations.
The main difference is in the atmosphere. Oh, and lack of lag. I hate lag.
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| Gestahr
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| "Re(8):Zelda Four Swords video" , posted Sun 22 Feb 18:33:
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I don't know about you, but for me, a multiplayer game with all players in the same room >>>> a multiplayer game with all player in unknown locations.
The main difference is in the atmosphere. Oh, and lack of lag. I hate lag.
I agree with you. My point is that the option would have been nice. I'd love to crowd into a room with three other friends who have GBA's and link cables, and spend a night attacking FF:CC or 4S, but it's not going to happen.
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seems they're all "one-eyed" masked guys
