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| Dash no Chris
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|  "Re(4):So M.Bison is not Mike from SF1"
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I've gotten conflicting reports on this. On one hand, Saiki says they're the same. On the other, Dash no Chris says they aren't. Two of the most credible and knowledgeable people about SF canon and they say opposite things about it. Hmm...
Wow -- many thanks for the validation, TR! I always look forward to reading posts from either you or Saiki (on a number of different forums), so I'm happy to be grouped among such company. : )
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Eh, I don't see why he wouldn't be Balrog... Someone saying "he's not Balrog" doesn't really seem like enough evidence to me. Not that the info wasn't from a credible source or anything, but they DO look the same, and they both have the same first name... I don't know.
Here's a quick rundown of the sources that have got me pitching my tent in the "Mike & Mike Bison are two separate characters" camp:
09-20-1994
Eiga Street Fighter II Memorial Koushiki Fan Book, published by Shougakukan, p. 85
11-30-1998
ALL ABOUT Series Vol. 21: ALL ABOUT Street Fighter ZERO 3, published by Studio Bent Stuff / Denpa Shinbunsha, pp. 445, 447
09-15-2000
A. A. GAME HISTORY SERIES VOL. 1: ALL ABOUT CAPCOM Taisen Kakutou Games 1987-2000, published by Studio Bent Stuff / Denpa Shinbunsha, pp. 302, 340
09-26-2003
Bessatsu Takarajima 856-gou: Street Fighter 15-shuunen Saikyou Tokuhon, published by Takarajimasha
12-18-2003
ALL ABOUT Street Fighter, published by Studio Bent Stuff & CAPCOM (included in the "Hyper Street Fighter II" Special Anniversary Pack for PS2), pp. 2-3, 84, 93
I was home on a lunch break when I saw this thread, so I tried to grab as many of these books as possible (on my way out the door) so I could make specific page references. If any of these are missing page numbers, it's because I wasn't able to find it before it was time to get back to work. I'll try to locate these over the weekend and add in the page numbers.
--Chris
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| TiamatRoar 632th Post
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| "Re(8):So M.Bison is not Mike from SF1" , posted Sun 15 Feb 21:40:
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I always thought they were the same guy. But in the end, does it really matter if they are the same or not? Mike Bison wasn't a very important character was he? Just a Vega underling. What are the chances of seeing him in a post-SF2 game anyway? His job was done as Vega's goon.
If they aren't the same guy was there any specific reason why SF1 Mike was in the tournament?
I sorta take the same stance regarding Mike and Mike Bison. It doesn't seem to really matter, and although the answer probably is that they're two different characters, I wouldn't be surprised if there was really some mix-up at Capcom and he and Mike Bison are the same character but Capcom forgets to say so or doesn't care enough to do so (considering that seems to be the case with Hugo, where in addition to much other evidence, there are conflicting things in his biography down to the measurements that would confirm he's not an Andore yet there's so much sheer Andore in his look, styles, and relationships and it's stated he comes from Final Fight in Street Fighter Eternal and a whole bunch of "Damn, Capcom, why the hell you being so sloppy?" stuff regarding the matter...)
Mike and M. Bison don't seem to be classified as the same character in SF Eternal, either, by the way, although it's admittingly a bit hard for me to tell since that book practically acts as if all the SF1 chars that didn't appear in later games are just jobbers that Capcom really actually doesn't WANT you to give a shit about (they don't even get their own "I'm a Street Fighter character!!!" section that all the other characters get and are relegated to just being mentioned with a quickie face pic in that book in the SF1 section which is all of like, two pages long...). ...blah, blasted SF eternal. Where's the SFA3 Advance Eagle, Maki, and Yun stuff? Feh.
Oh yea, I was told by various people including Saiki that Mike's background in SF1 was that he's a boxer who got booted out of the ring for killing someone so he was in the SF1 tournament for money. That's all I've ever heard about Mike, but that matches Balrog/M. Bison's background exactly (as far as I know), too, so it could possibly be that believing that Mike is M. Bison, they just copied and pasted M. Bison's background for Mike's, although I can't really be sure. I guess I should go annoyingly harass someone to look it up in AAC or something. Hiya Dash no Chris! Can you look it up in AAC for us? ^_^
Aw, I feel kinda mushy when people refer to me as an SF guru or something but also a bit worried/guilty, since the truth is, the majority of my information comes from other contributors and nice people that found out stuff then told me about it. I just happened to compile it (and also, of course, rechecked with good friends like Saiki who could understand Japanese to verify the authenticity of the information, or at get some proof otherwise from whatever source that they're own info is from a reliable source yada yada yada).
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| TiamatRoar 631th Post
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| "Re(2):What about Q and Shadowloo" , posted Sun 15 Feb 21:52
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The Q in Ken's SF2 Stage theory has been going around for a while, personally I don't think it's true. (Course even here it's stated as a joke but I've encountered people who think otherwise) It's just some guy in a trenchcoat who's face you can't make out. (And the guy is cheering... that's more emotion than Q's ever shown...) All About Capcom lists every character's appearance and background appearance(minus appearances in non fighting games, like Chun-Li in Breath of Fire.) For example, it shows how Chun-Li was in the Tokyo Stage Background in SF3 New Generation and SF3 Second Impact. For Q, it only states that he was in SF3 Third Strike and no background appearances for Q have been stated.
Thanks, Sano. I keep on forgetting to add this then when I remember to add this to the guide, I forget what the proof was that it wasn't Q (I knew I HAD the proof but I forgot what it was because I forgot to jot it down in my notes and... eh, I'd better jot this down now before I forget again).
Hoo boy. It frightens me how seriously my Q = Balrog joke is taken, sometimes. ...although admittingly, the stuff DOES fit in a wierd and wacky way (which I suppose is supposed to be the best part of that type of joke. That there's a small one-in-a-million-but-still-existing chance it could actually be true)
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| TiamatRoar 633th Post
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| "Re(1):YO JOE" , posted Sun 15 Feb 22:17
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So you think there is any chance we will see a Joe or Geki action figure in SOTA line-up ha ha.
Oh yea, that's right. Slightly along the lines of of "Doesn't even give a shit about their own characters when it comes to SF1", Udon forgot to (or didn't care to, I forget which) put any of the SF1 characters into that montage of SF characters for Issue 1 of the comic, either (Yun, Eagle, and Maki made it in for being in SFA3 for the GBA, though, but Retsu, Geki, Joe, and Lee couldn't make it! Poor jobber SF1 chars!)
Though the SF1 chars did make it into that poster in the secret files for SF3 that has all the characters and all the versions of the characters in the SF games (and Final Fight 1. But not Final Fight 2 and 3. Capcom doesn't give a crap about FF2 and 3 besides Maki, it seems).
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Adon 1308th Post
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| "Re(2):YO JOE" , posted Sun 15 Feb 22:23
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So you think there is any chance we will see a Joe or Geki action figure in SOTA line-up ha ha.
Oh yea, that's right. Slightly along the lines of of "Doesn't even give a shit about their own characters when it comes to SF1", Udon forgot to (or didn't care to, I forget which) put any of the SF1 characters into that montage of SF characters for Issue 1 of the comic, either (Yun, Eagle, and Maki made it in for being in SFA3 for the GBA, though, but Retsu, Geki, Joe, and Lee couldn't make it! Poor jobber SF1 chars!)
Though the SF1 chars did make it into that poster in the secret files for SF3 that has all the characters and all the versions of the characters in the SF games (and Final Fight 1. But not Final Fight 2 and 3. Capcom doesn't give a crap about FF2 and 3 besides Maki, it seems).
I would like to see this secret file you mention
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| TiamatRoar 635th Post
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| "Re(3):YO JOE" , posted Sun 15 Feb 22:33:
http://www.arcadeflyers.com
I forget if this was posted at the board before or not. This site doesn't allow direct linking and I don't think it even allows copy and pasting of pic URLs (at least, it didn't for me although some people got away with it) so I can't directly link to the pics, but you can find the secret files to various Capcom games by going to the flyer database, then using their search engine to search for fliers by Manufacturer (choose Capcom, of course), then scroll down the alphabetical list until you hit the files/fliers called "SF #whatever" (the SFs you'll see in that list stand for Secret File, not Street Fighter, of course). The poster is in one of the SF3 secret files, though I forget if it was New Generation or if it was Double Impact (probably the former).
...oh yea, getting back on topic, if I recall correctly, the poster has Mike and M. Bison drinking together (but again, the poster has EACH version of every char, so that wouldn't confirm they're two different characters (or confirm that they're the same character, either). As a made-up example, you could possibly see things like SF1 Ryu sparring with SFA2 Ryu in that poster as SF3 Ryu watches on, for example).
Oddly enough, that poster has the Shadaloo Monitor Cyborg, too. Hilariously enough, it has those two random nameless extras that fight each other in the SF2 game's intro :P
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Ishmael 1186th Post
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| "Re(2):YO JOE" , posted Mon 16 Feb 06:52
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Oh yea, that's right. Slightly along the lines of of "Doesn't even give a shit about their own characters when it comes to SF1", Udon forgot to (or didn't care to, I forget which) put any of the SF1 characters into that montage of SF characters for Issue 1 of the comic, either (Yun, Eagle, and Maki made it in for being in SFA3 for the GBA, though, but Retsu, Geki, Joe, and Lee couldn't make it! Poor jobber SF1 chars!)
Didn't that Udon cover only showcase SF characters who were playable?
Oh, and thanks for the link to those arcade flyers. That secret file of SF3:DI featuring the picture of Hugo and Urien duking it out King Kong vs Godzilla style is too good.
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| ZamIAm 1157th Post
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| "Re(4):YO JOE" , posted Mon 16 Feb 06:52
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http://www.arcadeflyers.com
I forget if this was posted at the board before or not. This site doesn't allow direct linking and I don't think it even allows copy and pasting of pic URLs (at least, it didn't for me although some people got away with it) so I can't directly link to the pics, but you can find the secret files to various Capcom games by going to the flyer database, then using their search engine to search for fliers by Manufacturer (choose Capcom, of course), then scroll down the alphabetical list until you hit the files/fliers called "SF #whatever" (the SFs you'll see in that list stand for Secret File, not Street Fighter, of course). The poster is in one of the SF3 secret files, though I forget if it was New Generation or if it was Double Impact (probably the former).
"Giant Attack" and Urien with an afro are priceless. I didn't know Juli smoked...
You know, you might want to get some of those flyers translated if possible.
Wrenches make good ninja stars...
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| Sensenic 1134th Post
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| "Re(4):YO JOE" , posted Mon 16 Feb 07:58:
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http://www.arcadeflyers.com
I forget if this was posted at the board before or not. This site doesn't allow direct linking and I don't think it even allows copy and pasting of pic URLs (at least, it didn't for me although some people got away with it) so I can't directly link to the pics, but you can find the secret files to various Capcom games by going to the flyer database, then using their search engine to search for fliers by Manufacturer (choose Capcom, of course), then scroll down the alphabetical list until you hit the files/fliers called "SF #whatever" (the SFs you'll see in that list stand for Secret File, not Street Fighter, of course). The poster is in one of the SF3 secret files, though I forget if it was New Generation or if it was Double Impact (probably the former).
...oh yea, getting back on topic, if I recall correctly, the poster has Mike and M. Bison drinking together (but again, the poster has EACH version of every char, so that wouldn't confirm they're two different characters (or confirm that they're the same character, either). As a made-up example, you could possibly see things like SF1 Ryu sparring with SFA2 Ryu in that poster as SF3 Ryu watches on, for example).
Oddly enough, that poster has the Shadaloo Monitor Cyborg, too. Hilariously enough, it has those two random nameless extras that fight each other in the SF2 game's intro :P
That pic of SF1 Birdie putting his finger through SFA Birdie's hair is classic it it looks like he's giving him the Birdie
Woooh! Thanks for that link TR, specially for that "Where's Ryu"  poster.
Some questions come out:
Where's SFA3 jail Cody? No can see him anywhere.
And who're...
1- the Kano-like (half of his face is metallic) guy that appears 3 times or more? (the firefighter, for example)
2- the girl with Gill?
3- the blonde guy and the kid in the boat?
4- the upper guy of those 4 fishing ones (Honda, Ryu and Gouken, I guess)?
Oh! and, EDIT: 5- the stomach aching guy next to the bonus car :)
And that'd be it. I could go on and on asking, but those're the most intriguing ones.
Oboromaru. Yup seems they're all "one-eyed" masked guys now. Just coincidence.
Damn boredom that can kill you with a sword!
A friend of mine talking about elves in LOTR
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| TiamatRoar 635th Post
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| "Re(5):YO JOE" , posted Mon 16 Feb 08:09
Fear Juli the pimp.
Saiki took some of the info from the posters and fliers, although I don't recall anything particularly enlightening about them besides confirming Rolento's last name and what happened in those tournaments portrayed where Alex beat up Balrog/M. Bison.
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Woooh! Thanks for that link TR, specially for that "Where's Ryu" poster.
Some questions come out:
Where's SFA3 jail Cody? No can see him anywhere.
And who're...
1- the Kano-like (half of his face is metallic) guy that appears 3 times or more? (the firefighter, for example)
2- the girl with Gill?
3- the blonde guy and the kid in the boat?
4- the upper guy of those 4 fishing ones (Honda, Ryu and Gouken, I guess)?
Oh! and, EDIT: 5- the stomach aching guy next to the bonus car :)
And that'd be it. I could go on and on asking, but those're the most intriguing ones.
SFA3 Jail Cody wasn't invented yet. This poster is a New Generation poster so SFA3 was still a while away. There's no Karin or Juli and Juni due to this.
The Kano-like guy is the monitor cyborg from the SF2 animated movie (or at least, that's what I've been told. Don't recall what he looked like, myself)
The girl with Gill is Kolin, Gill's secretary. She appears in Dudley's NG/DI ending and several other places.
I think the blonde guy with the kid in the boat is Ken and Mel, isn't it?
Don't have the poster on me and my conn isn't working with arcadeflyers.com very nicely right now, but the upper guy is Goutetsu, Gouken and Gouki's master.
I forget the exact name (either Dug or Bill or Fred, I believe), but the stomach aching guy is a generic Final Fight thug who comes up and says "Oh my god (or "car" if you have the censored version)!" after you destroy his car in Final Fight (later, Capcom would bring the car bonus stage over to SF2 but not the crying guy after you destroy it). He's on his knees crying.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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