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| jmcc
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|  "Re(2):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel"
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Its funny how a single man is the greatest and the worst contributor to Star Wars. He is the Great Satan and the Great Moses. Unfortunately, his tenure as Moses has been long gone.
Ugh. Its best not to think about it.
The thing is he's not done ruining the original trilogy yet. Last I heard (from AICN, so take it as you will) Lucas was going back again to, among other things, edit in a new, more kinetic (along the lines of Yoda vs. Dooku) fight scene between Vader and Ben in A New Hope. I'm sure the further "improved" versions with such additions will come out in 2 years, or so, as an "Ultimate Edition" or something.
I think the best solution at this point is to wait for a DVD-R format capable of fitting the movies on 1 disc and burning the Laserdisc versions. It's bootlegging, but honestly, I've got no love or loyalty left for Georgie.
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| Gen 2491th Post
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| "Re(1):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Tue 10 Feb 18:20:
Lucas and let's throw Spielberg in too, have less movie making talent than they used to. Lucas is good at maybe video games, and making special effects for other people's movies. (I liked a lot of older Lucas games, haven't really been playing his newer ones though.) Specifically SW1-2 from Lucas and Spielberg's last 2 science fiction movies struck me as being not up to their own past quality levels. It's just my opinion so relax :). Star Wars Episodes 1-2 were like special effects reels, or sometimes like watching someone else play a video game. They weren't movies of the level of SW episodes 3-4.
My friend thinks that basically they never had any super special tallent, but in the past their inputs were off set by the input of others. Now that they have so much more control over their movies, the movies are not as good. Another way of putting it could be that no one in their inner circle has the balls to criticize them.
Lucas should have done some lower profile and lower budget movies prior to making the star wars movies. That way he could warm up or improve or at least test his ability first.
Hope: Indiana Jones 4 will be good.
How to make it good:
Indian Jones does not have a kid that will replace him for possible sequels.
Indiana Jones does not have a kid that is one of the main characters along side Indiana.
Indiana Jones does not have a kid.
None of the main characters are kids or dogs.
Short Round was a good movie kid, but that was from a different movie-mini-era. Sean Connery as the father is ok, some undeserving punk as the grand son is not.
None of the characters rap; No rap on the sound track.
"I got my whip cause I'm a pimp I eat the brain of a chimp in ancient egypt. I to tha N to the Z Z..."
There must be no pop music from the future of the era that the movie is set in.
Indian Jones must have sex with at least one beautiful woman.
They must remember to have Indian Jones do something cool with his whip like wipping the gun out of someone's hand or swinging across a pool of gators like Pitfall. Also he can shoot the gators while swinging over them with his gun.
Spielberg can not direct this because he will put robot children and robot prostitutes from the future in the movie.
also other stuff
of course I'm partly kidding, I hope this is the movie we hope it will be.
Think happy thoughts.
"Everybody loves baklava! Crispier flakier crust!"
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| Luisinan 746th Post
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| "Re(4):George Lucas: Officially a dolt..." , posted Tue 10 Feb 18:57
In response to Gen's semi-ramble.
Lucas did do a small number of low budget non-star wars films before Star Wars. Nobody cared for them except for American Graphitti.
I personally think that Lucas did/does have some talent. I think Star Wars' success is due in part by the TIME it was release and the actual content of the movie. No one had released a movie like Star Wars back then. And even though the A New Hope was very cheesy, very campy, very crude, it had such a strong magic that you would forget about all of its flaws.
That 'magic' no longer works because we see it everyday. Lucas, with the help of others, invented the 'star wars magic' and that takes a lot of talent, but the problem is that, he made a lot of bad decisions that completely stifled the growth of this 'magic'.
I think the problem is that he became so powerful and independent, that he really stopped listening to people and thus kept making a ton of mistakes with the franchise. I think its obvious he has a big ego because he refuses to release the original trilogy on DVD.
All of the mistakes that Star Wars suffered after Empire Strikes Back are completely his fault. He has the final word, there is no one else to blame.
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| beto
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| "Re(3):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Tue 10 Feb 19:35:
Blame the fans, not Lucas.
He wanted to release the massive box after episode 3 and thatīs it. But fans whined, so theyīre releasing the SEs now.
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The thing is he's not done ruining the original trilogy yet. Last I heard (from AICN, so take it as you will) Lucas was going back again to, among other things, edit in a new, more kinetic (along the lines of Yoda vs. Dooku) fight scene between Vader and Ben in A New Hope. I'm sure the further "improved" versions with such additions will come out in 2 years, or so, as an "Ultimate Edition" or something.
"Star Wars - The Archival Editions". The release date was 2007, IIRC.
We do know it is coming, and we do know itīs a box with all movies plus extras. But we donīt know if heīll touch them up even more or not (very likely).
Still, i donīt blame Lucas too much. With the exception of the Greedo scene, all the changes make sense. If i worked in a movie and then years later i could fix the things the budget stopped me from doing, you can bet i would fix them.
And more: Carl Cunninghan, one of the most popular SW insiders, says the official word on the original cuts being released on DVD is "never say never". Thatīs straight from the Skywalker Ranch. So, iīm thinking the rumours about the Archival Editions set being the biggest DVD set ever may not be false...
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| Luisinan 747th Post
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| "Re(5):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Tue 10 Feb 21:16
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The difference in dialogue is not in the writing but in the talent of the actors delivering those lines. Harrison Ford can sell even the crappiest dialogue and make it work. There's no one in the newer movies with... well, any talent.
Sorry dude. Incorrect on two counts.
Firstly, Star Wars-A New Hope had some of cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeziest lines in the existence of film. And some of the cheeeziest directing in film also. James Earl Jones, a very respectable and accomplished actor, could not save his dialog from being cheezy.
Secondly, everyone in the new trilogy, except kid Anakin, is an accomplished actor. None of them were b-grade actors. It was just poor directing. Lucas can't direct.
Let me add a reply to Beto's comments. Beto, Lucas has every right to change his films any way it suits him, but when he consistently refuses to release them as they originally appeared, that tells you something about his ego. It is not that difficult to release both versions of each of the three films. Fans have been stomping their feet for an original trilogy DVD set.
Also, Lucas has been in total control of all of Star Wars from almost the very beginning of the franchise. All the problems that series has had in the last decade, fall directly on his shoulders. He has the last word.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(5):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Tue 10 Feb 21:31:
by the time Indiana Jones 4 comes out(if it even does, because it's been delayed AGAIN) all the main actors(Ford and Connery) will be in wheel chairs; in a nursing home. Harrison used to do most of his own stunts, but I doubt he'll be doing anything now. As for his acting, he's not that great, IMO, he plays the same guy in every film, that's not hard to do. I'm not looking forward to it. They should just keep it a trilogy.
As for the SW DVDs, I'll take them any way I can get them, even though I'm sick of SW. Just to have the original trilogy will be enough for me, since my VHS copies look like crap now. Oh, by the way, Lucas does suck as a director/writer. There are some great actors in the newer trilogy, but it all falls flat due to Lucas and his writing/directing skills. I could expect this in the 70s/80s era, but in this day in age? When I heard young Anakin say, "yippie!" I almost shit and vomited at the same time.
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| DarkZero 619th Post
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| "Re(8):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Tue 10 Feb 22:28
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he plays the same "hero" role. Not every actor plays that same role in every movie. When is he going to play an asshole? I already know of What Lies Beneath, but I don't really count that since for most of the film he was a nice guy
Well, he was a bad guy in What Lies Beneath and a stuck-up prick in most of Sabrina, but I think that claiming that every "hero role" is exactly the same is a little ridiculous. Indiana Jones and Han Solo were fairly similar characters, but I don't think that Jack Ryan or the President in Air Force One were really very similar to either of them.
As for the DVD set... meh. Even 80+ hours of KOTOR in two months can't make the recent Star Wars movies, including the special editions, look much more appealing than before. They're lame and I don't really have any interest in them. When the time comes, I'll probably just download some DivX rips of the laserdisc versions and watch those instead. Even though I'm not as tough on Star Wars as some people, I do believe that the series is mostly a bunch of high concepts that were poorly excecuted, at least after The Empire Strikes Back.
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| Gen 2491th Post
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| "Re(5):George Lucas: Officially a dolt..." , posted Tue 10 Feb 23:13
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In response to Gen's semi-ramble.
Lucas did do a small number of low budget non-star wars films before Star Wars. Nobody cared for them except for American Graphitti.
I mean just before he made SW episodes 1-2, (the last 2 he has released; the first 3 were episodes 4-6), when he came out of semi movie maker-retirement. SW episodes 4-6 were great, 1-2 were "eh?". For Star Wars 4-6 he had warmed up first. For Star Wars 1-2 he hadn't.
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I personally think that Lucas did/does have some talent. I think Star Wars' success is due in part by the TIME it was release and the actual content of the movie. No one had released a movie like Star Wars back then. And even though the A New Hope was very cheesy, very campy, very crude, it had such a strong magic that you would forget about all of its flaws.
That 'magic' no longer works because we see it everyday. Lucas, with the help of others, invented the 'star wars magic' and that takes a lot of talent, but the problem is that, he made a lot of bad decisions that completely stifled the growth of this 'magic'.
I think the problem is that he became so powerful and independent, that he really stopped listening to people and thus kept making a ton of mistakes with the franchise. I think its obvious he has a big ego because he refuses to release the original trilogy on DVD.
All of the mistakes that Star Wars suffered after Empire Strikes Back are completely his fault. He has the final word, there is no one else to blame.
Yeah, that's kind of like what my friend thinks.
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can't they leave well enough alone? the last movie ended PERFECTLY. everyone rode off into the sunset. can a trilogy end any better?
Yah that was a good ending. It would be hard to top.
SW DVDs:
I heard Lucas wanted to release them all at the same time so they can be more uniform. If that were done there wouldn't be things like an extra that they thought of for disk 5 which they'd regret not putting on disks 1-4.
It is possible that he wanted to do this but Fox can just make the DVDs come out when ever they want.
Ah, like Beto said they released because of fan demand.
Lucas making new versions of the old SW movies:
Lucas said that the changes are what he would have done if he could have at the time. To me the changes detracted from the film's quality. In the original, he was able to do more with less.
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There's no one in the newer movies with... well, any talent.
tee hee hee
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All of the mistakes that Star Wars suffered after Empire Strikes Back are completely his fault. He has the final word, there is no one else to blame.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(9):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 05:55
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Well, he was a bad guy in What Lies Beneath and a stuck-up prick in most of Sabrina, but I think that claiming that every "hero role" is exactly the same is a little ridiculous. Indiana Jones and Han Solo were fairly similar characters, but I don't think that Jack Ryan or the President in Air Force One were really very similar to either of them.
OK, maybe that claiming he plays the same "hero" role in EVERY movie is a little extreme. How about this: he plays an extremely likeable guy put in extremely difficult situations, which equals: unlikely hero. Now, I won't say all, but I will say most. If he would branch out more and try different things, maybe I wouldn't be saying this. As for the Jack Ryan and Air Force One examples, well, I don't think they're good examples. They seem exactly the same to me, with only minor differences: Jack Ryan works for the CIA. Air Force One, well, he's the Prez. I realize that there are some Ford fans here, but he never impressed me. Don't get me wrong, I loved him in SW and as Indy, but because of those franchises, he mainly gets offered the same crap over and over again.
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| DarkZero 622th Post
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| "Re(6):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 09:50:
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There's no one in the newer movies with... well, any talent.
Not even Mcgregor? I always laughed at SW, I didn't bother to see the new movies, but Mcgregor... He was able to play well in a Peter Greenaway movie, and well, Greenaway is a less than stellar director.
Ewan McGregor actually did a pretty good job in Episode 2. If they had shortened the movie to 40 minutes and renamed it The Adventures of Obi-Wan, I probably would've come out of the theater satisfied. Not only did Ewan McGregor do a pretty good job with the character, but he was also the only one that was given any depth or any quality lines in the entire movie.
And I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the real reason for the early DVD release, rather than waiting a few years for the gigantic "Ultimate Star Wars Box Set". It's pretty much what I was talking about with KOTOR earlier: Seeing GOOD Star Wars material momentarily makes the BAD Star Wars material (Episodes 1-3) seem better. It's kind of like Beer Goggles. They know that there's about as much public excitement over Episode 3 as there was over The Matrix Revolutions, and they have a little bit of time to get the general public liquored up before the film's release. Because KOTOR was A) a video game, which has a smaller audience than DVD movies, and B) a game released only to the systems with the two smallest playerbases in the United States (Xbox and PC), they needed something else. Thus, it is time to pour the general public a tall, frosty glass of Episodes 4-6.
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| Dr Baghead 2792th Post
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| "Re(1):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 10:24
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As if Episodes I and II weren't enough...
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,13471,00.html?tnews
This is fucked up on so many levels.
Is it really fucked up on THAT many levels? I mean they're just stupid movies for Christ's sake.
I personally don't see what the big deal about the Special Editions being the only ones of DVD is, the story is identical (still your archtypical hero's journey and that jazz) it's just a got a few new window dressings.... and could someone explain why Greedo shooting first is so horrible? (as far as I can guess it's because it makes Han seem less badass to have a reason to murder, right?)
Star Wars seems to be a double standard... Everyone LOVES the Resident Evil remake, but they hate the RE2,RE3,RE:Code Veronica ports, the "director's cuts" version of most movies tend to be more popular then the originals as well.
So why is it a re-release with the same plot but new trimming is looked down upon in this case? That just because it took the director 15 years and the invention of CGI to make his final cut it's an awful thing?
If he was digitally replacing the Mark Hamill and Carry Fisher with Anakin and Padame's actors (I don't feel like looking up their names) to give the Skywalker line a stronger resemblence or Chewbacca with JarJar or something, I'd understand all the outrage. If the ending was being altered so instead of dying Darth Vader reformed and opened a Jedi Academy since he was the one who would bring balance to the force, sure that's worth raising hell over... But an extra scene with Jabba the Hutt and crowded streets aren't destroying the movie.
So basically what I'm saying is, if you find the need to complain you're getting a 10 year old set of movies on DVD instead of a 25 year old set of movies that are basically identical, you're far more pathedic then me... and give just how damn dorky I am, that's truely, truely, truely sad.
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| Luisinan 748th Post
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| "Re(2):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 10:43
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As if Episodes I and II weren't enough...
I personally don't see what the big deal about the Special Editions being the only ones of DVD is, the story is identical (still your archtypical hero's journey and that jazz) it's just a got a few new window dressings.... and could someone explain why Greedo shooting first is so horrible? (as far as I can guess it's because it makes Han seem less badass to have a reason to murder, right?)
The reason I think people hate the special edition versions are because the originals were just fine. Its like if the guy who painted the Mona Lisa decided to add some photoshop effect to the painting. Or if Marvel re-released Fantastic Four #1 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, but gave it computer coloring. Or if Tolkien estate re-released the Lord of the Rings with new, cool-hip-internet dialog (!LOL!OMFG! Its Gollum!)
The originals were just fine. And they were the ones we grew up with and we remembered. Why f*ck with our childhood-- just because your an anal bastard with an ego problem. Especially since a large group of people love the originals compared to the special editions.
Or why not include both!? Lucas is simply going against a large percentage of his fanbase. Probably more then half of his fanbase dislikes the special editions.
Lastly, in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of other fans, the special editions are also seen as a further bastardization of the franchise. Its like, it was bad enough that Lucas ruined the franchise with episode 1 and 2, but now he's 'retroactively' f*cking with the original trilogy.
Its almost like he travelled back in time and f*cked with the past. Someone should make a film were a young George Lucas fights with an older Lucas.
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| DarkZero 622th Post
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| "Re(2):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 11:19
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Star Wars seems to be a double standard... Everyone LOVES the Resident Evil remake, but they hate the RE2,RE3,RE:Code Veronica ports, the "director's cuts" version of most movies tend to be more popular then the originals as well.
This is exactly where the problem with the special editions lies. Yes, most people enjoy the director's cuts of their favorite movies more than the original version, and usually because the director's cut is simply, undeniably better than the original. However, this is not always the case. Take Blade Runner, for instance. Blade Runner is, supposedly, a pretty good movie. But on the other hand, just about every Blade Runner fan that I've ever talked to has said that the director's cut is, for the most part, absolute crap. Yes, it has a few scenes that make the story more interesting, but for the most part it's just an incoherent jumble of unconnected scenes that make absolutely no sense to both first-time and long-time viewers alike. Blade Runner fans are usually pissed off by the fact that the only version of the film available on DVD is the director's cut, but you don't hear that very often because the director's cut, simply put, is not Star Wars. There are other hated director's cuts out there, but they're mostly ignored because they're not multi-billion dollar franchises.
The Resident Evil remake is also a good point. Not so much for you, but for the rest of us. Many people actually enjoy the original North American version of Resident Evil simply because it's so incredibly cheesy, just like lots of old horror movies are. These people already have a perfect version of the original Resident Evil on a format that's not going to degrade. Their Resident Evil CD is still playable on the PS2 (and probably the PS3), and it's on a format that won't degrade as easily a VHS tape, which are rather easily degraded or destroyed by such ubiquitous factors as moderately warm temperatures, repeated viewings, the passage of time, and just about any kind of remotely improper storage.
Also, it's not often that a director's cut actually removes things, like Han Solo shooting first or Luke not screaming like a little girl when he falls. For the most part, they leave the current scenes unchanged and just add other scenes that flesh everything out more. That makes the special editions less like a normal director's cut and more like... well, Blade Runner: The Director's Cut. Noticing a pattern there?
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| Dr baghead 2793th Post
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| "Re(3):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 13:04
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Or if Marvel re-released Fantastic Four #1 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, but gave it computer coloring.
They did, it's called "Ultimate Fantastic Four", same basic story only 'moderinized' or some bullshit
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This is exactly where the problem with the special editions lies. Yes, most people enjoy the director's cuts of their favorite movies more than the original version, and usually because the director's cut is simply, undeniably better than the original. However, this is not always the case. Take Blade Runner, for instance. Blade Runner is, supposedly, a pretty good movie. But on the other hand, just about every Blade Runner fan that I've ever talked to has said that the director's cut is, for the most part, absolute crap.
So basically: Any Sci-Fi movie starring Harson Ford is crap if it's not the origin, CHECK!
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Yes, it has a few scenes that make the story more interesting, but for the most part it's just an incoherent jumble of unconnected scenes that make absolutely no sense to both first-time and long-time viewers alike. Blade Runner fans are usually pissed off by the fact that the only version of the film available on DVD is the director's cut, but you don't hear that very often because the director's cut, simply put, is not Star Wars. There are other hated director's cuts out there, but they're mostly ignored because they're not multi-billion dollar franchises.
I wonder why the 'Daredevil' director's cut never came out on DVD...
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The Resident Evil remake is also a good point. Not so much for you, but for the rest of us. Many people actually enjoy the original North American version of Resident Evil simply because it's so incredibly cheesy, just like lots of old horror movies are.
And a lot of people did not like it because it was chessy, this tomato/tomato isn't it?
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These people already have a perfect version of the original Resident Evil on a format that's not going to degrade.
But the system they play it on will... only reason Sony has backwards compatablity is because Playstations are crap and won't last 10 years like Nintendos did.
And what about people who didn't like that version of RE's dubbing? where's their perfect copy?!
But moronic comments aside, I agree with your point but not when it's put to Resident Evil... Twin Snakes better suits your point. MGS1 on the PS1, perfect... good gameplay, good story, good voices. Everyone wins! Fancying up it up with "new plot elements" and MGS2 graphics doesn't help the world at large when the first is still playable.
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Luke not screaming like a little girl when he falls.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?! I didn't know that was removed!!!!
Changed my mind, F**K THE SPECIAL EDITIONS! I WANT THE ORIGINALS!!!!!
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| DarkZero 623th Post
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| "Re(4):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 13:36
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is the blade runner directors cut really that bad?
i was about to pick it up yesterday
If you've actually seen the original version of Blade Runner, then the director's cut is tolerable. Your foreknowledge of the plot will fill in the huge gaps in the director's cut's story, and you'll get to see the deleted scenes. If, however, you have never seen Blade Runner before, I wouldn't even bother with the director's cut. To first-time viewers, the director's cut is just a bunch of incoherent scenes slapped together. Like the last two episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion, but with less meaning or coherency. Yes, it really is that bad.
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So basically: Any Sci-Fi movie starring Harson Ford is crap if it's not the origin, CHECK!
I wonder why the 'Daredevil' director's cut never came out on DVD...
And a lot of people did not like it because it was chessy, this tomato/tomato isn't it?
Humor only works as a defense mechanism when it actually makes people laugh, Baghead.
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| Dr Baghead 2795th Post
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| "Re(5):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Wed 11 Feb 13:50
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Humor only works as a defense mechanism when it actually makes people laugh, Baghead.
Those were serious, dude, not humor.
I remember hearing about the DD director's cut, in some interview the director went off on how it was much darker and had a lot of extra footage and would be released at the same time on DVD as the original theatrical cut... your talk of Director's cuts made me wonder what ever happened to it, is it going to be the Daredevil 1.5 release when DD2 or Elektra comes out? or is it canned or something?
And you don't agree a lot of people DIDN'T like the RE dubbing? I didn't find it 'funny like an old movie', it was funny but not the perfect send up of classic horror funny like you claim... Tomato/Tomato (pronouce one of those differently, you know how it goes) you either love or hate the dubbing (or maybe stand in between, I'm sure someone's going to cause problems say they were in between) I don't believe there's a majority that swings strongly to either side since for every 5 people you find who like the cheesy voices, you'll find 5 who hate all forms of dubbing what-so-ever and automatically hate it.
And hey, you picked Blade Runner as your example, is it not a sci-fi movie staring Harason Ford? I assumed it was a safe bet all director's cuts he's in suck.
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| Undead Fred 1314th Post
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| "BLOOD-SOAKED MADNESS!!" , posted Wed 11 Feb 15:21
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As if Episodes I and II weren't enough...
I personally don't see what the big deal about the Special Editions being the only ones of DVD is, the story is identical (still your archtypical hero's journey and that jazz) it's just a got a few new window dressings.... and could someone explain why Greedo shooting first is so horrible? (as far as I can guess it's because it makes Han seem less badass to have a reason to murder, right?)
The reason I think people hate the special edition versions are because the originals were just fine. Its like if the guy who painted the Mona Lisa decided to add some photoshop effect to the painting. Or if Marvel re-released Fantastic Four #1 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, but gave it computer coloring. Or if Tolkien estate re-released the Lord of the Rings with new, cool-hip-internet dialog (!LOL!OMFG! Its Gollum!)
The originals were just fine. And they were the ones we grew up with and we remembered. Why f*ck with our childhood-- just because your an anal bastard with an ego problem. Especially since a large group of people love the originals compared to the special editions.
Or why not include both!? Lucas is simply going against a large percentage of his fanbase. Probably more then half of his fanbase dislikes the special editions.
Lastly, in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of other fans, the special editions are also seen as a further bastardization of the franchise. Its like, it was bad enough that Lucas ruined the franchise with episode 1 and 2, but now he's 'retroactively' f*cking with the original trilogy.
Its almost like he travelled back in time and f*cked with the past. Someone should make a film were a young George Lucas fights with an older Lucas.
My thoughts exactly. As DarkZero said, "director's cut" doesn't always mean "best version." The new versions of RE and MGS1 are remakes, not "director's cuts." I've got the Director's Cut of RE1, actually, and it's the original game with new odds and ends (but it was missing the real intro, even though it said it was included on the back of the package). The Star Wars: Photoshop Editions aren't remakes; they're sort of director's cuts. And Juan's right- there are really awful re-edited parts like the Han Solo thing. The Star Wars fans have a right to be pissed. Their favorite movie series that they had grown up with has been altered for the worse, and Lucas refuses to give them the classic version on DVD. He's basically just giving all of his millions of fans the middle finger by not releasing BOTH versions. I mean, come on, remember how pissed people were when E.T. got "enhanced"? I know I had other things I was going to talk about here, but I need to work on a drawing for class.
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So basically: Any Sci-Fi movie starring Harson Ford is crap if it's not the origin, CHECK!
Not really a good point to make... Hasn't Ford only been in like, two sci-fi movies in his whole career? I mean, that's counting Star Wars as one movie, of course...
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| CrazyMike 839th Post
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| "Re(2):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Sat 14 Feb 00:35
There is a a meaning to the word "Director's Cut". It means that it is material put back into the film that had to be cut for some reason or the other, many times due to time constraints. All these scenes were filmed when the film was being made. This is alot different than Lucas coming back 20 years later and manipulating existing footage.
Much of the problems I had with the special editions though was not so much him adding in new stuff, but the stuff he added in was pointless, and worst, it did not jive with the look of the film. I mean that CG Jabba the Hutt was totally ridiculous, he looked NOTHING like the original films. It also makes no sense he is smaller and can walk. Their excuse? "Well he got fatter in ROTJ" yeah well Jabba is how many years old, what are the odds he would just get fat and unable to move within that small time period?
I don't believe the tripe that it was Lucas's "final edition" that he was limited by 20 years ago. It was all done to sell tickets for the re-release of the films in the theaters, and get fans pumped up for the prequels. Like I said, all scenes added in were pointless and added nothing to the plot (such as the Stormtrooper falling off that big creature thing in Tatooine) it was all made to show off and I find it hard to believe Lucas waited 20 years just to put in those miniscule scenes.
Hell i'm not even a hardcore Star Wars fan. I don't read the comics, buy the books, the monopoly games, all that crap. But I do enjoy the films and as an artist, the last thing I would do 20 years later is go back to one of my paintings and start messing with it.
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| Undead Fred 1324th Post
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| "Re(3):George Lucas: Officially a COMPLETE sel" , posted Sat 14 Feb 02:59
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There is a a meaning to the word "Director's Cut". It means that it is material put back into the film that had to be cut for some reason or the other, many times due to time constraints. All these scenes were filmed when the film was being made. This is alot different than Lucas coming back 20 years later and manipulating existing footage.
Much of the problems I had with the special editions though was not so much him adding in new stuff, but the stuff he added in was pointless, and worst, it did not jive with the look of the film. I mean that CG Jabba the Hutt was totally ridiculous, he looked NOTHING like the original films. It also makes no sense he is smaller and can walk. Their excuse? "Well he got fatter in ROTJ" yeah well Jabba is how many years old, what are the odds he would just get fat and unable to move within that small time period?
I don't believe the tripe that it was Lucas's "final edition" that he was limited by 20 years ago. It was all done to sell tickets for the re-release of the films in the theaters, and get fans pumped up for the prequels. Like I said, all scenes added in were pointless and added nothing to the plot (such as the Stormtrooper falling off that big creature thing in Tatooine) it was all made to show off and I find it hard to believe Lucas waited 20 years just to put in those miniscule scenes.
Hell i'm not even a hardcore Star Wars fan. I don't read the comics, buy the books, the monopoly games, all that crap. But I do enjoy the films and as an artist, the last thing I would do 20 years later is go back to one of my paintings and start messing with it.
There you go. I think that's part of what's making the Star Wars fans so pissed... they're cheap CG candy-coating on a movie that was already "complete." It's like those old black and white movies that have been colorized. Plus, there's the really awful Photoshop re-editing (like the Han Solo thing with Greedo, and then there's Han Solo walking over Jabba the Hutt's tail in that meeting scene). I mean, if they're able to do high-quality CG effects like it's no big deal, then they shouldn't do those bad editing tricks if they can't get it to look right. The should have found another solution to the problem.
Whether they release the classic versions or the lens flares and CG creature versions, I'm still pretty much going to ignore them either way. I'm really sick of Star Wars at this point.
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