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| Fugo
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|  "Re(2):Monster anime out in april!!"
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What's the interest? It will take every scene of the manga, animate them, put famous seiyu on it, and that's it. Interest when you have read the manga? Zero.
Another Monster is a novel "written by a german reporter investigating about the possibility another monster like Yohan could be at large without anybody knowing it."
It's basically the same story as the manga, but the point of view is different, and it happens 2 years after the manga, so the survivors are back in their everyday life and it's interesting to "hear" them talk about what happen or how they see Tenma and the other characters now (it's mostly interviews). The retelling of the story follows the order of the manga, but it's more synthetic, and some obscure points are well explained. It's a nice addition to read after the manga overall.
Thank you for the info about Another Monster.
Interest on the anime? It depends, they could represent some of the scenes with more depth, use some of the Another Monster stuff too, add something new....
well, I guess the main story has to stay the same, or the continuity and the coherence will get screwed (btw I'm still halfway thorugh the manga, so I'll try to avoid spoilers)
3rd Strike rulez ;)
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| Sensenic 1124th Post
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| "Re(3):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Wed 11 Feb 05:38
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At least they're not animating Yawara.... hahah, the noose awaits me.
Well, I hope they don't leave it half cut, as they did with Yawara, missing all the Barcelona Olympics part 
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Not really. They won't be talking German, and I don't really need colors for a story like this...
Ahaha!! Lunge and Grimmer talking japanese... how to ruin an ambiance. And imagine the seiyuu when they will have to talk about "za magufisento shutaina- !"
Even if they get Koyasu or Yamadera to play in it, I really don't see the point of this.
And if it's a TV series, look forward for a lot of cuts. Young children beeing serial killers? uhuh... Not suitable for the current ambiance in Japan.
Uh-huh. Indeed. I've already assumed it'll be worse than the manga (surprises apart), that they're gonna censor scenes, that they're gonna add some others, worse, of course, and all that. As a matter of fact, I hope that by the time I get to see it the manga's already finished here in Spain (volume 13 right now, at 2 months per volume rate. There's still more than half a year ahead )
But, yes, even with that, it's gotta be a great thing IMO seeing all those scenes in movement and color (Spanish edition of the manga has no color pages ), specially the action ones. I'm really looking forward to it as I was looking forward to watch the Naruto anime: it's worse than the manga (unnecessary things added, good things taken out) but seeing the action scenes in motion rocked. I don't care for ambientation or censorship because I already have the manga for it.
As for the language part, I kept thinking almost since I started reading it, that it'd have made a really good series there in Germany, specially since the manga is so "episodic", if you see what I mean. But, hey, if Engrish is funny, why not hearing some Geluman? I laughed a lot watching the Barcelona (sorry, "Baruserona") chapters in Yawara!, hearing their Supanishu or their Kataran. You'll say, "hey, but this is not supposed to be a funny story", yes but as I said before, for the real thing I have the manga.
And another thing I expect from this anime is that this IMO magnificent work gets to everyone, so we can discuss it here and elsewhere, and recommend the manga to those interested in it.
The Droogo: Monster is a thriller manga done by Naoki Urasawa, a great mangaka. Read the info in the link there for more.
"Kensu" & "Asina" such a nice couple.
Damn boredom that can kill you with a sword!
A friend of mine talking about elves in LOTR
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| Abe no seimei
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| "Re(5):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Wed 11 Feb 14:16
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I don't speak german, but Ithink the french translator of Monster is right when he transcribe ルンゲ by "Runge". Sounds more german than Lunge... Just to let you know...
It may sound more german (even though I'm not that sure of that) but Lunge is the way it's written on the english apetizer on the japanese volumes, so I'll keep my version. Another translator who should read the series a few volumes forward before making any moves... I mean, it's on the COVER.
And by the way, what about the MVB stuff?
Well, you jsut pointed out one of the big problems about translations. When it comes to foreign names, it's somehow difficult to always stick to the official transcription given by an author who don't even know a single word of the concerned foreign language. I don't blame neither Uraswa for his ignorance, nor the author of "blame", but can't we just correct something which is obviously a misuse of foreign scripture (is this a word ?) ?
And about translators who don't read covers or the whole serie before translating, you should know that more than often, the editor does not provide any kind of material like guide books, nor all the tomes of the manga at the begining, and even if he might refund you, it can be rather expansive to buy it all by your self. Also, it frequently happens that they just give you some mere photocopied pages without the cover (this is called a "bleu" chez nous), rather than the original book. I'm not ranting here, but hell, do you realy think we should write "jojo" "giogio" just because Araki fucked up with the romaji ?
And about the MVB stuff, lets see that next week. How was it by the way ? Anything crusty ?
悪霊退散！悪霊退散！
怨霊、ものの怪、困った時は
ドーマン！セーマン！ドーマン！セーマン！
直ぐに呼びましょ陰陽師 レッツゴー！
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| Iggy 2773th Post
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| "Re(6):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Wed 11 Feb 15:22:
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When it comes to foreign names, it's somehow difficult to always stick to the official transcription given by an author who don't even know a single word of the concerned foreign language.
I don't know... Is "Lunge" that weird for a german eye? I had the feeling Urasawa was ... well, a serious author. For the non germanist I am, everything in Monster looked really easy to believe, and for a product made by a japanese and set in Europe, it's extremely rare. I really had the feeling Urasawa put more efforts in the manga then just one week of "let's visit Europe with all my japanese friends". But then again, I may be completely wrong.
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do you realy think we should write "jojo" "giogio" just because Araki fucked up with the romaji ?
We should, because Giogio à Gogo is mainly about part 5, and the hero of this chapter is called GIOrno GIOvanna (Shibana Haruno, arf). Fortunately, I think even less characters call him Jo/gio then Jôsuke. I'm not even sure anyone actually calls him Giogio even once.
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And about the MVB stuff, lets see that next week. How was it by the way ? Anything crusty ?
Well, I got a cold in the corridor of Frozen Hell while waiting my turn (it's incredible how many people pass there during the examinations... and incredible how many assholes don't close the doors.) So, next week is fine for me, I may be able to tell a whole sentence without sneezing or coughing (and I may become able to sleep more than 3 hours straight until then).
During the exam, MvB thought I was winking at him all the time, god knows what he could have imagined if I hadn't explained my cold immediatly. Or what would have happenned.
And the monstroplante was behind all the horror I could have imagined.
．．．人はパンツをセンタク機にほうり込むのは、どんな時だ？
答えは一つ。
．．．それを脱いだ時、だぜ。
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| Iggy 2773th Post
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| "Re(6):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Thu 12 Feb 00:38
Lunge... Lung... ehe, it gives another depth to the character...
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When it comes to foreign names, it's somehow difficult to always stick to the official transcription given by an author who don't even know a single word of the concerned foreign language.
Now that I think of it, if the author is stupid and makes huge mistakes, I don't think it's the translator's task to correct them. Erica Fontine or Glycine Bleumer (or whatever was the romanization of her name) should stay as they are, and all the stupid mistakes of Araki should not be corrected as well (Hierophant Emerald , the various dates during which the 3rd part happens, Jôsuke beeing Jôtarô's cousin/uncle, etc). Well, if only because, in Arakai's case, it would oblige to redraw most of the 6th part.
．．．人はパンツをセンタク機にほうり込むのは、どんな時だ？
答えは一つ。
．．．それを脱いだ時、だぜ。
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(7):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Thu 12 Feb 02:14
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Lunge... Lung... ehe, it gives another depth to the character...
When it comes to foreign names, it's somehow difficult to always stick to the official transcription given by an author who don't even know a single word of the concerned foreign language.
Now that I think of it, if the author is stupid and makes huge mistakes, I don't think it's the translator's task to correct them. Erica Fontine or Glycine Bleumer (or whatever was the romanization of her name) should stay as they are, and all the stupid mistakes of Araki should not be corrected as well (Hierophant Emerald , the various dates during which the 3rd part happens, Jôsuke beeing Jôtarô's cousin/uncle, etc). Well, if only because, in Arakai's case, it would oblige to redraw most of the 6th part.
Sometimes you have to use discretion more than anything. I mean, if it's painfully obvious that it's a reference to a "common" foreign word (like when fansubbers worked on UFO Princess Valkyrie, they spelled it as Warukyure, which is, well, ugly...) and there is material all over the place telling you what it is (Valhalla? The wings on the hat? The fact that they play a rendition of RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES in the show..?) you should probably go along with the original meaning they were going for. (incidentally, they fixed it back to Valkyrie for the second season and post-1st season episode)
I mean, even if it's romanized in the material, it's not always necessarily correct (see, El Heggunte in Burn Up W OVA 2. Oye) to use that romanization. You should only use that as a fail-safe if you don't know anything about it. Hell, the fansubs for Chobits spelled Freya as Fureia and the show was CORRECT in romanization itself (incidentally, ANOTHER Norse reference spelled incorrectly).
Then again, I'm just an editor ^^; I try to avoid changing too much of a translation so that it doesn't seem tooincorrect. But I DO try to look up information if they start dealing in foreign words.
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| Sensenic 1126th Post
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| "Re(8):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Thu 12 Feb 13:26:
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I've already assumed it'll be worse than the manga
Hense the need to make the series. It all makes sense!
Are? Need? No, no, I've never said anything about it being 'necessary'. You just said you didn't see any reasons why the Monster anime could be interesting at all, since it'll be clearly worse than the manga, and I just gave you some reasons. My reasons, of course, why I think it's great, but not 'necessary', if they're doing it.
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Lunge... Lung... ehe, it gives another depth to the character...
When it comes to foreign names, it's somehow difficult to always stick to the official transcription given by an author who don't even know a single word of the concerned foreign language.
Now that I think of it, if the author is stupid and makes huge mistakes, I don't think it's the translator's task to correct them. Erica Fontine or Glycine Bleumer (or whatever was the romanization of her name) should stay as they are, and all the stupid mistakes of Araki should not be corrected as well (Hierophant Emerald , the various dates during which the 3rd part happens, Jôsuke beeing Jôtarô's cousin/uncle, etc). Well, if only because, in Arakai's case, it would oblige to redraw most of the 6th part.
Sometimes you have to use discretion more than anything. I mean, if it's painfully obvious that it's a reference to a "common" foreign word (like when fansubbers worked on UFO Princess Valkyrie, they spelled it as Warukyure, which is, well, ugly...) and there is material all over the place telling you what it is (Valhalla? The wings on the hat? The fact that they play a rendition of RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES in the show..?) you should probably go along with the original meaning they were going for. (incidentally, they fixed it back to Valkyrie for the second season and post-1st season episode)
I mean, even if it's romanized in the material, it's not always necessarily correct (see, El Heggunte in Burn Up W OVA 2. Oye) to use that romanization. You should only use that as a fail-safe if you don't know anything about it. Hell, the fansubs for Chobits spelled Freya as Fureia and the show was CORRECT in romanization itself (incidentally, ANOTHER Norse reference spelled incorrectly).
Then again, I'm just an editor ^^; I try to avoid changing too much of a translation so that it doesn't seem tooincorrect. But I DO try to look up information if they start dealing in foreign words.
It's a hard point indeed, I think I agree with hikarutilmitt here.
While most of the times it's too difficult to decide, so it clearly shouldn't be the translator's task/responsibility, there are exceptions, like the ones he's mentioned there, that I think, even for more respect to the original idea, should be changed. I repeat, always when it's obvious, otherwise the translator is giving himself too much liberty of decision, and this happens too often, IMO
One thing that I think would be great (but impossible in most of the cases, I know u_u) is the translator/s having contact with the original author to ask when some of this doubts appeared. That'd solve many problems, me thinks.
EDIT: Tried to make the whole a little more comprehensible. Probably failed, though. Ugh.... u_u
"Kensu" & "Asina" such a nice couple.
Damn boredom that can kill you with a sword!
A friend of mine talking about elves in LOTR
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(9):Monster anime out in april!!" , posted Thu 12 Feb 19:17
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It's a hard point indeed, I think I agree with hikarutilmitt here.
While most of the times it's too difficult to decide, so it clearly shouldn't be the translator's task/responsibility, there are exceptions, like the ones he's mentioned there, that I think, even for more respect to the original idea, should be changed. I repeat, always when it's obvious, otherwise the translator is giving himself too much liberty of decision, and this happens too often, IMO
One thing that I think would be great (but impossible in most of the cases, I know u_u) is the translator/s having contact with the original author to ask when some of this doubts appeared. That'd solve many problems, me thinks.
EDIT: Tried to make the whole a little more comprehensible. Probably failed, though. Ugh.... u_u
Hell, even professional companies do this. I can't think of how many times I've semi-ranted about ADV spelling Kalinka's name as Karinka when the word is clearly of Russian origin (even her outfit shows this). I mean, I could always be wrong, but when hearing Russian speech that involved that word, it was always an 'l' sound. Heck, even Capcom got the name correct in Megaman 4 and Legends 2. :P
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