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| OmegaDog 1019th Post
 
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|  "Diff. online game behavior in Japan & Korea?"
, posted Sat 31 Jan 20:05:
[EDIT: My own belief should perhaps be seen more as a hypothesis here -- see below posts.]
There's a belief held in a few English on-line gaming communities that Japanese and Korean gaming communities are far-better behaved than English communities. I heard people mention the belief several times while I was involved with International Ragnarok Online, and I've heard people mention it while playing Gunbound also. (In fact -- this strip, even if a bit hyperbolic, pretty much sums up the belief, at least in the context of Gunbound.)
I'm skeptical of it -- I believe it stems from not hearing about any problems about the Japanese and Korean gaming communities, compounded with one's own (magnified sense of) bad experiences in the English community, that make it easier to envision the gaming communities as utopias. I don't see, though, how anyone can say a online gaming community is immune to trivial arguments and general conflicts. I'm also not led to believe that players in certain regions are immune to considering the options of cheating or somehow obtaining personal gain by being inconsiderate of other players.
But I wanted to ask to those who have experience -- do you notice a difference between Japanese, Korean, and English gaming communities, such that there's truth to the belief? Or is the belief merely a misconception? (Or if you don't have experience -- what do you think about the belief?)
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| Minuteman
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|  "Re(1):Diff. online game behavior in Japan & K"
, posted Sat 31 Jan 21:04
Well, from my own experience (all of which comes from playing Diablo 2 on Battle.Net) the Korean players I ran into were generally very nice and would offer help in both completing missions (to get in on gaining EXP points) but also if a rare/unique item was dropped, they wouldn't IMMEDIATELY go and grab it if they were not the one who killed the monster/beast/enemy. If they did pick it up, and it was nothing they could use, they tossed to others who could use it better (rather the whoring it to sell later). I've never had any issues w/ Korean players and Diablo 2.
As for Japanese online players, I can't say I've ever run into any. Maybe some were playing Diablo, but they never made it a point to say they were Japanese and/or playing in Japan. (Korean players would usually ask if you're Korean)
And, generally, the other "American" (well, at least English speaking) Diablo players were sometimes...confrontational. They would ALWAYS challenege other characters to duel, rather than just play the game to progress their own character. Very annoying sometimes...They just use their damn level 80 or 90 Barbarian and whirlwind you to death and take everything you dropped. >=0
But, this is just my own experience. I'm sure others will offer different accounts.
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| CrazyMike 832th Post
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| "Re(3):Diff. online game behavior in Japan & K" , posted Sat 31 Jan 21:49
Well one observation, not scientific at all, but it also depends on the genre of games that people like. Correct me if I am wrong, but first-person shooters generally are not played that much online in Korea or Japan. Usually FPS is where the trash talking, the rudeness, the teamkilling, etc. comes. In America, generally people who play roleplaying games might tend to be a bit more, shall I say, intelligent?
I admit I mostly play FPS though and rarely play online RPG's. I did try Lineage back when it was in beta, and curious to try it out, I got on a server. I asked if anybody spoke English (not trying to be rude, just wanted to find someone to help me) and some guy walked over to me. I do not know if he was Korean or not, but he just said "?" and then proceeded to kill my newb ass lol.
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| DarkZero 605th Post
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| "Re(1):Carry out excrement and sleep" , posted Sat 31 Jan 22:55
In my experience, jackassery is a shared human trait. Something utterly fundamental to our race that crosses all boundaries, be they physical, cultural, or intellectual.
Ever notice how the really devoted StarCraft players all know lots of Korean curse words? That's not because of an academic interest in the common form of communication of a culture that they interact with. That's because they were curious as to what the Korean kids kept calling them, in capital letters, every time they lost. Or started to lose. Or got bored. Or took a breath.
And don't even get me started on Ragnarok Online. The only way you could possibly come out of a session of RO with the impression that foreign cultures are more polite than ours is through complete ignorance of what the word "kuy" means. I guess they assume that that's the Thai way of saying "thank you"?
But overall, I think that the misconception that foreign players are nicer than American players is just due to a lack of information. American players stand out because they are, at least from an American perspective, openly abusive. When someone calls you a cock whore, you know what it means. But when the Germans on Return to Castle Wolfenstein, the Thais on the RO Beta, or the Koreans on Gunbound are abusive toward you, you don't know it unless it actually effects you. When someone starts being abusive in chat, you generally know that they're team-killing or kill-stealing someone on the other end of a map. When someone can't be abusive in chat, you only know that they're a jackass if you're the one out of eight/thirty-two/two hundred/whatever players in the game that they're able to abuse at the moment.
In short, the grass is always greener on the other side. Especially if the other side is several hundred miles and a massive language barrier away.
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| Zyzyfer 681th Post
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|  "Re(2):Carry out excrement and sleep"
, posted Thu 5 Feb 02:19
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In my experience, jackassery is a shared human trait. Something utterly fundamental to our race that crosses all boundaries, be they physical, cultural, or intellectual.
Ever notice how the really devoted StarCraft players all know lots of Korean curse words? That's not because of an academic interest in the common form of communication of a culture that they interact with. That's because they were curious as to what the Korean kids kept calling them, in capital letters, every time they lost. Or started to lose. Or got bored. Or took a breath.
And don't even get me started on Ragnarok Online. The only way you could possibly come out of a session of RO with the impression that foreign cultures are more polite than ours is through complete ignorance of what the word "kuy" means. I guess they assume that that's the Thai way of saying "thank you"?
But overall, I think that the misconception that foreign players are nicer than American players is just due to a lack of information. American players stand out because they are, at least from an American perspective, openly abusive. When someone calls you a cock whore, you know what it means. But when the Germans on Return to Castle Wolfenstein, the Thais on the RO Beta, or the Koreans on Gunbound are abusive toward you, you don't know it unless it actually effects you. When someone starts being abusive in chat, you generally know that they're team-killing or kill-stealing someone on the other end of a map. When someone can't be abusive in chat, you only know that they're a jackass if you're the one out of eight/thirty-two/two hundred/whatever players in the game that they're able to abuse at the moment.
In short, the grass is always greener on the other side. Especially if the other side is several hundred miles and a massive language barrier away.
Well...here I am on the other side of the...whatever the grass is growing on. And so far as I can tell, having lived in Korea for two years, most of the swear words that those Starcraft players know are the pretty common ones. They might directly translate into something that we'd consider offensive, but I've got kids saying these words in my classes when a Korean teacher is present, and he's not breaking a sweat over it. I'm also wondering how you can capitalize Korean text, but that's another story.
I play Warcraft III a lot, and I used to always play on the East and West coast servers, because they had all of the games that I liked to play, whereas the Asian server always had Yainshide and other crap. But I've lately given up on going to the US servers, simply because it's so hard to find someone who isn't calling me a noob, or pking me, or just being an ass about everything. When I play on the Asian server, I know enough Korean to get the gist of many conversations, and they're pretty banal, but at least they're usually hassle-free. Korean kids in the PC room are usually pretty lazy about gaming, at least in Warcraft. In Starcraft, they're probably a lot more volatile...but the world should be aware by now that Koreans think they invented Starcraft 5,000 years ago, along with alcohol and spicy food.
That's just my personal experience. I really don't care what nationality the person is on the other end, as long as they're not a putz.
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