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| talbaineric 5784th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Pixar leaves Disney"
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Well, more power to em both. Although it seems strange to me that Pixar thought Disney had more power because of their control over distribution and advertising. How would that change if they go with, say, Dreamworks? Doesn't add up in my head. The only way I could see this as good news is if I really hated Disney and wanted them to fail.
Yeah,seriously,don't bash Disney. They've given our pop culture tons and tons among tons of cool toonage/movies. And personally,it's only because of Eisner that the company has turned into a colossal money maker "heartless" company.
Besides,Monster Inc sucked balls. Dumb movie,I thought. Pixar is OK,but I'd seriously laugh if their own first independent venture failed.
Sorry,but if y'all bash Disney,I don't go with your flow.
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| Undead Fred 1254th Post
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| "Re(4):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Thu 29 Jan 16:42:
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Yeah,seriously,don't bash Disney. They've given our pop culture tons and tons among tons of cool toonage/movies. And personally,it's only because of Eisner that the company has turned into a colossal money maker "heartless" company.
Besides,Monster Inc sucked balls. Dumb movie,I thought. Pixar is OK,but I'd seriously laugh if their own first independent venture failed.
Sorry,but if y'all bash Disney,I don't go with your flow.
Well, don't go with my flow, then. Heh heh. In terms of animating and production value, Disney films are great. But in terms of content and storytelling and all of that, they suck. They're too formulaic. I've heard horror stories of people who have worked at Disney in any area. The company just won't take risks anymore. I've heard how Walt ruled his studio with an iron fist and all of that, but at least he seemed willing to take risks with stuff like Fantasia. I wouldn't wish Disney away because that's like saying "I wish Warner Bros never existed," but it's just frustrating listening to what they do there just in the name of ultra-profits. They even censored the short Knick-Knack on Finding Nemo... it was one of Pixar's old films from a long time ago. The mermaid and the bikini girl used to have big, spherical plastic boobies. They weren't nekkid or anything like that and they worked with the little souvenir girls they were placed on. But, of course, Disney hacked them off and put the short with the movie.
Eisner- "I've got to get going. I have to be up early tomorrow. We're ethnically cleansing the Small World ride."
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Or more likely 'Oh, nobody want to see our 3D movies! It can only mean one thing : 3D is dead !'
And they will make movies with talking toasters.
I'm sure this prediction will come true. "This 3D marketing too- ...movie... didn't make eleventy billion dollars in profit. It only made a million billion in profit. THEREFORE 3D IS DEAD because everything we do is the finest in animated films EVER. The future of animation... is live-action filmed hand puppets re-done in Flash and sent straight to video."
Pixar's great. I hope to see their work minus the Disney writers.
EDIT: Hopefully, that didn't sound like an angry post. I don't want another damned flame war to start up.
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| Undead Fred 1254th Post
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| "Re(6):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Thu 29 Jan 20:31
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Losing a company that has made the highest grossing animation movie in NA, and one of the top selling DVD's is not a good move for Disney, on any level. Add in the fact it's Pixar, who has really put out some of my favorite films over the last few years and you've got shake your head..
Actually, I heard Pixar was the one that broke up with Disney. Pixar was all like, "I can do SO much better than this. I'm OUT OF HERE." And Disney was all like, "But, baby, c'moooon.... I looove you..."
Pixar's contract was for six movies, I think, and they're getting the hell out of there after this next one or two or however many are left.
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| Izek
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| "Re(7):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Thu 29 Jan 20:43
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Losing a company that has made the highest grossing animation movie in NA, and one of the top selling DVD's is not a good move for Disney, on any level. Add in the fact it's Pixar, who has really put out some of my favorite films over the last few years and you've got shake your head..
Actually, I heard Pixar was the one that broke up with Disney. Pixar was all like, "I can do SO much better than this. I'm OUT OF HERE." And Disney was all like, "But, baby, c'moooon.... I looove you..."
Pixar's contract was for six movies, I think, and they're getting the hell out of there after this next one or two or however many are left.
The reason Pixar left is because Disney was ripping them off.
According to the deal Disney and Pixar would split the moeny 50/50, but then Disney also took money for distribution (seperately from the 50 percent). So all in all, for doing pretty much all the work Pixar ended up with only about 30 something percent of the profits. Pretty damn unfair no?
They were going to leave them anyway in 2006, the talk was to make them stay. What Pixar wanted was to keep all the profits and pay Disney only the distributin fee, so Disney backed out. I know its a step down from the 60+ percent profit but something is better than nothing and Pixar movies were their biggest source of income the past few years.
And if Pixar didn't fail before I don't see why they should when they go independant cuz all Disney did was distribute, Pixar made the movie 100% on its own.
That being said Pixar still prolly does need a distributer with a good reputation, but it does have tons to choose from (Dreamworks SKG, Sony etc).
Eitherway, good luck to them.
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| Undead Fred 1255th Post
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| "Re(8):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Thu 29 Jan 20:49
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The reason Pixar left is because Disney was ripping them off.
According to the deal Disney and Pixar would split the moeny 50/50, but then Disney also took money for distribution (seperately from the 50 percent). So all in all, for doing pretty much all the work Pixar ended up with only about 30 something percent of the profits. Pretty damn unfair no?
They were going to leave them anyway in 2006, the talk was to make them stay. What Pixar wanted was to keep all the profits and pay Disney only the distributin fee, so Disney backed out. I know its a step down from the 60+ percent profit but something is better than nothing and Pixar movies were their biggest source of income the past few years.
And if Pixar didn't fail before I don't see why they should when they go independant cuz all Disney did was distribute, Pixar made the movie 100% on its own.
That being said Pixar still prolly does need a distributer with a good reputation, but it does have tons to choose from (Dreamworks SKG, Sony etc).
Eitherway, good luck to them.
Disney ripping someone off? That doesn't surprise me much at all. As for Pixar leaving Disney, well who could blame them for leaving if Disney was ripping them off, right? I know they were censoring them at least in SOME degree (see the original version of Knick-Knack for evidence), and the stories and dialogue sounded so Disney-like that I'm highly positive that Disney's writers were involved in Pixar's work at some level.
But anyway, I'm sure Pixar has more room to breathe once they leave Disney.
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| talbaineric 5788th Post
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| "Re(8):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Thu 29 Jan 20:53
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Finding Nemo sucked, sure Ellen was HILLARIOUS and the movie looked like it really was underwater... but it was a totally pointless movie that only taught me one thing: Fish have a lot of mental and/or physical handicaps.
I agree here. I mean,it was OK,but what was the big huge deal that everyone fussed over it for? Damn,I found it very strange. It just made 2-D look bad,IMO. But that's only me.
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As long as Kim Possible is on TV, I don't care what the hell Disney does. Losing Pixar, stopping 2D features, letting their secret police assassinate people who spit on rides at their parks then cover up it up by grinding the bodies into Mickey Mouse head shaped burgers... it don't matter to me.
Yeah,Kim Possible is another hit Disney creation that does me proud to be a Disney fan.
I read she made an appearance on the House of Mouse and teamed up with Mickey and her other fellow Disney characters to stop Drakken. I wanna see that episode.
I miss Talespin and Darkwing Duck. Damn,I only want Toon Disney for those two toons.
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| talbaineric 5792th Post
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| "Re(5):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Fri 30 Jan 09:30
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They've given our pop culture tons and tons among tons of cool toonage/movies.
Oh yeay! Le'ts see.... Diseney has created for us Snow White, Cinderella, Robin Hood, Beauty and the Beast.... Yeay! Thank you Disney!
Oh, but they DID created something completely new. I mean, the hunchback of Notre Dame was clearly a 100% new thing, not inspired by anything. AT ALL.
Very true. And Hunchback had huge success here on our shores and worldwide. Critically-acclamied at that.
And actually,H.O.N.D. was inspired from Victor Hugo's tale of the same name.
And as for Disney being original,at least they did. With the success of hits like Lilo and Stitch and Brother Bear,they've served well.
And Naruto,Disney is not going down. Eisner is making it. It's all his fault. Don't go trash the Disney legacy now. 
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| Hungrywolf 2679th Post
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| "Re(6):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Fri 30 Jan 09:44:
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And Monster Inc rocked as a film, and any that disagrees is irregular!
I highly agree with that statement. I truly enjoyed Monsters, Inc., a movie I didn't think I Would like.
Iggy:
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And they will make movies with talking toasters.
I recall a movie with a talking toaster, and it was good. I'm speaking, of course, about The Brave Little Toaster.
And Disney, while it has done a lot of retelling of stories (which I've loved) such as Alice in Wonderland (NOW ON DVD), Sleeping Beauty (Their second animated feature and my favorite), and Beauty and the Beast, I'll name three original movies they've done that I've loved. The Rescuers, The Fox and The Hound, and The Great Mouse Detective.
EDIT: However I am pissed off at most of Disney's decisions right now, especially with the 2d thing. I haven't seen an animated Disney movie in a long time.
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| Iggy 2695th Post
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| "Re(6):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Fri 30 Jan 09:54:
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Very true. And Hunchback had huge success here on our shores and worldwide. Critically-acclamied at that.
And actually,H.O.N.D. was inspired from Victor Hugo's tale of the same name.
Ok, you don't get it, so I'll make it easier.
I, kinda, in a way, AM AWARE of the book by Victor Hugo. Because, well, I don't have a lot of culture, I'm a little dumb myself, but at least I know some the most important authors born in my country.
WHAT I WAS REFERING TO, however, was the precise fact that Disney claimed their stupid movie was inspired by this wonderfull piece of art (well, you have to like Hugo, but fortunately I do). The movie is the most crazy treason I could ever imagine someone could do to a book. I'm sure that taking seriously Dr Baghead's explanation of why Stefan would think Victor Hugo was inspired by Cammy to write his book would be a lesser insult to the book than this movie.
I mean... Have you read it? Do you have any idea of what the characters originally were? This is an insult to the book, to what Victor Hugo means to the french litterature, and... Ok, I'll stop.
To make a long story short, and you know I can be very long when I hate something, this movie makes me want to believe to Heaven and God and judgement and such, because then every human beeing who had a part in the rape of the original book would suffer for eternity in hell, and I'm not sure even that would be enough.
Edit : AAaaaaah, Hungry Wolf reminded me of Alice, Aaaaah please God kill me now.
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| Hungrywolf 2680th Post
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| "Re(7):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Fri 30 Jan 09:57
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Very true. And Hunchback had huge success here on our shores and worldwide. Critically-acclamied at that.
And actually,H.O.N.D. was inspired from Victor Hugo's tale of the same name.
Ok, you don't get it, so I'll make it easier.
I, kinda, in a way, AM AWARE of the book by Victor Hugo. Because, well, I don't have a lot of culture, I'm a little dumb myself, but at least I know some the most important authors born in my country.
WHAT I WAS REFERING TO, however, was the precise fact that Disney claimed their stupid movie was inspired by this wonderfull piece of art (well, you have to like Hugo, but fortunately I do). The movie is the most crazy treason I could ever imagine someone could do to a book. I'm sure that taking seriously Dr Baghead's explanation of why Stefan would think Victor Hugo was inspired by Cammy to write his book would be a lesser insult to the book than this movie.
I mean... Have you read it? Do you have any idea of what the characters originally were? This is an insult to the book, to what Victor Hugo means to the french litterature, and... Ok, I'll stop.
To make a long story short, and you know I can be very long when I hate something, this movie makes me want to believe to Heaven and God and judgement and such, because then every human beeing who had a part in the rape of the original book would suffer for eternity in hell, and I'm not sure even that would be enough.
Remember who you are talking to, of course he didn't pick up your sarcasm in your first post. I can't believe he didn't, but he didn't. I definately agree that Disney's version was quite the bastardization.
"no again my apoligizes for anyone i offend!!!!!"
Hungry Like the Wolf
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| Izek
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| "Re(7):Pixar leaves Disney" , posted Fri 30 Jan 11:39:
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I, kinda, in a way, AM AWARE of the book by Victor Hugo. Because, well, I don't have a lot of culture, I'm a little dumb myself, but at least I know some the most important authors born in my country.
WHAT I WAS REFERING TO, however, was the precise fact that Disney claimed their stupid movie was inspired by this wonderfull piece of art (well, you have to like Hugo, but fortunately I do). The movie is the most crazy treason I could ever imagine someone could do to a book. I'm sure that taking seriously Dr Baghead's explanation of why Stefan would think Victor Hugo was inspired by Cammy to write his book would be a lesser insult to the book than this movie.
I mean... Have you read it? Do you have any idea of what the characters originally were? This is an insult to the book, to what Victor Hugo means to the french litterature, and... Ok, I'll stop.
To make a long story short, and you know I can be very long when I hate something, this movie makes me want to believe to Heaven and God and judgement and such, because then every human beeing who had a part in the rape of the original book would suffer for eternity in hell, and I'm not sure even that would be enough.
Edit : AAaaaaah, Hungry Wolf reminded me of Alice, Aaaaah please God kill me now.
The sad part is how serious and to a considerable extent 'true' the original script for that animated movie was, unless they changed it the project would have been shut down. The only scene that kinda made it intact (and cost a lot of threats) is the scene by the fireplace with Frollo.
That being said, what did you expect? The main characters to die? C'mon its Disney, everyone lives happily ever after.
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