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| Sensenic 1068th Post
 
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|  "Re(4):Nintendo DS- New 'console'"
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Well, this definitely doesn't live up to the hype, but it's still a cool idea. Two 3" LCD screens would basically be a wide-screen GBA, which could enhance a lot of games on the market right now. Castlevania and Metroid would certainly benefit from it, regardless of how you chose to play it. The games would be less tedious if you could have the entire map on one screen, but the gameplay could be enhanced by playing the game in a wide screen format. And FFTA and Advance Wars would certainly move more smoothly if you could see 70-80% of the map at a time instead of 50-60%.
Well, I agree with Darkzero here. First it looks quite stupid but then you realize it could be at least useful sometimes. MUCH specially if it somehow allowed 2 player games in only one portable console; that'd be quite "revolutionary", considering the fact that so far all handheld systems required the extra purchase of a connection cable and 2 copies of the game for it.
Then it'd rock but otherwise it'd make way more sense if it had only one wider screen, as you people've said.
And I also think it has this big flaw:
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As usual, Nintendo has come up with a brilliant new design feature. But also as usual, they plan to sell the whole thing as one item instead of making it an interesting facet of a larger item that I could actually consider buying.
Widescreen GBA w/TV-Out and GameCube link (and maybe a card reader) = Sw33t
Widescreen GBA + Gameboy Player + GameCube link cable + eCard Reader = Lame
of making it a separate different system, instead of an add-on for GBA or similar.
It reminds me of... 'Poké-mini' was its name?
"Kensu" & "Asina" such a nice couple.
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| DarkZero 581th Post
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| "Re(5):Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 05:13
Ammadeau:
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Widescreen GBA w/TV-Out and GameCube link (and maybe a card reader) = Sw33t
The screens are vertically aligned so you can give up on this actually interesting idea right now. Nintendo doesn't want any practical uses for this thing. And before you say it would be great for vertically oriented games, the screens will each have their own different processors so running the same game on both won't happen.
Two different processors does not equal two different computers. From the GameSpot article:
According to Nintendo, the DS will feature two separate 3-inch TFT LCD display panels, two individual processors, and a memory of up to 1 gigabit. The DS will give players a general view of the game in one screen while letting them zoom in on part of the action on another. For example, a football game on the title would feature an overview of the field on one screen while letting gamers zoom in on a specific player on another.
And whoever said that the screen alignment is vertical? Neither GameSpy nor GameSpot have made any mention of that.
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MUCH specially if it somehow allowed 2 player games in only one portable console; that'd be quite "revolutionary", considering the fact that so far all handheld systems required the extra purchase of a connection cable and 2 copies of the game for it.
Many GBA games don't require two copies of the game for multiplayer, especially puzzle games. But you're right on the money, otherwise. If the thing is going to have two screens anyway, it should have an optional second controller. Unfortunately, since it hasn't been announced already, I doubt it will be announced in the future. Doesn't make sense to pitch a "console" with two screens to the public and then wait a few months to mention, "Oh, by the way... it lets two people play at the same time".
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| VManOfMana 307th Post
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| "Re(2):Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 08:06
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I don't know... At this point I'm not real interested in buy another Nintendo system that I can't play my current games on. I don't have the money for a whole new game library for a questionable system.
Backward compatibility is not always a good thing.
I don't get the hating that this system is getting despite the fact that we know so little things. Yes, it may sound gimmicky, but often the problem is that the "gimmick" is not used correctly rather than the "gimmick" being a bad idea. Just look how underused the GBA/GC connectivity is, but at the same time you got a gem like Pac-Man Vs.
I don't know about others, but I prefer to have a system with good ideas, if sparse, than a system with a lot of games, but with most of them being generic.
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| Radish 2117th Post
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| "Re(3):Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 08:35
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I don't know... At this point I'm not real interested in buy another Nintendo system that I can't play my current games on. I don't have the money for a whole new game library for a questionable system.
Backward compatibility is not always a good thing.
I don't get the hating that this system is getting despite the fact that we know so little things. Yes, it may sound gimmicky, but often the problem is that the "gimmick" is not used correctly rather than the "gimmick" being a bad idea. Just look how underused the GBA/GC connectivity is, but at the same time you got a gem like Pac-Man Vs.
I don't know about others, but I prefer to have a system with good ideas, if sparse, than a system with a lot of games, but with most of them being generic.
Yeah, I got a GameCube. And yeah, I bought it just for VJ.
Personally I'm annoyed since the GBASP just got released and before that the GBA. It seems like Nintendo is going to make us buy new portables every year or two and this one relies on some stupid screen gimmick.
Also I don't really buy the Nintendo "Quality over Quantity" thing. There are plenty of excellent games on the Xbox and PS2 and most of Nintendo's recent offerings have been sequels (Mario Party 5) or cheesy cash ins on franchises (Pikachu TV or whatever it's called). Nintendo has great stuff, but it's not any more than any other system. The others just have a lot more crap which makes the good stuff look like a smaller percentage.
Also I'm not sure third parties are going to be excited about programming for a new portable when the GBA is already so widespread. I'll be really annoyed if Nintendo makes their portable developement teams switch to this thing.
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| DarkZero 582th Post
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| "Re(5):Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 10:19
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AS I SAID, but no one ever listen to me anyway, this is not the successor of the GBA. The real successor of the GBA is beeing developed, along with the successor of the GC, separately.
All of the English language articles that I've read so far have stated that it is being MARKETED separately. This is a nearly meaningless term and it left GameSpot, in particular, rather confused. It could mean that it uses completely different software, but it could also mean that it will use GBA software and just be marketed as "a high-end Gameboy" for "the serious gamer" while a $60-$90 GBA SP remains on the market. Or something similar. Either way, it's a nothing term and we can't really take anything definitive from it, except for the fact that it won't push the GBA SP off the market... for now.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(7):Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 12:39
Personally, I don't think there is enough information to even properly judge the Nintendo DS yet. We have no real concept art, no screens of a model, and no idea for any games that might be able to pull this off really nice. All we know right now is that it has two screens and that little example of how they might be able to be used together with a sports game. Best to just wait it out and reserve judgement til E3 where there will be hopefully more information on the DS. Also, on a more personal side note, I like it that Nintendo is doing something out-of-the-ordinary. I mean, from the very little information we have, it sounds cracked out, but at least it is a new concept. Even if Nintendo releases only Mario DS type games for this system, at least the system itself will be a new idea ^_^ Also, in my own little theory, I think this system is trying to pull off something to what FF:CC does or what the 4 player Legend of Zelda coming out for GC plans to do; where you can play a multi-player game and go through options, inventory, or even different parts of the world without stopping the game or forcing someone to follow the same path as you.
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| DarkZero 585th Post
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| "Re(5):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 15:41
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2 small screens is pure genius
its better than making ONE HUGE SCREEN and letting the developer choose to split
Individual LCD screens do not fold. Thus, a portable system with a six inch LCD screen will be more than six inches wide in your pockets. Or, more accurately, three inches IN your pocket and three or four inches OUT of your pocket. Two three inch LCD screens, on the other hand, can be folded to fit just as easily as a GBA SP in your pocket, but form a full 6" LCD display when unfolded.
Like I said, it really is a brilliant design feature. It's new, it's cheap, it's useful, and it solves a lot of the problems that hardware designers would normally have when trying to make a bigger, better portable game system. But it sounds like too much of a gimmick, especially after a lot of us just bought a GBA SP in the last year or so.
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| Radish 2127th Post
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| "Re(6):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 16:26
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2 small screens is pure genius
its better than making ONE HUGE SCREEN and letting the developer choose to split
Individual LCD screens do not fold. Thus, a portable system with a six inch LCD screen will be more than six inches wide in your pockets. Or, more accurately, three inches IN your pocket and three or four inches OUT of your pocket. Two three inch LCD screens, on the other hand, can be folded to fit just as easily as a GBA SP in your pocket, but form a full 6" LCD display when unfolded.
Like I said, it really is a brilliant design feature. It's new, it's cheap, it's useful, and it solves a lot of the problems that hardware designers would normally have when trying to make a bigger, better portable game system. But it sounds like too much of a gimmick, especially after a lot of us just bought a GBA SP in the last year or so.
Well with two screens it's already going to be quite large. Also I don't think I've ever played a game and thought that two screens would make my life easier. The closest I've come was playing through Persona and it's ungodly menu screen and wishing it was more user friendly.
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| Luisinan 707th Post
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| "Re(8):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 19:48
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Well, we know this will most likely fail...But I still think we'll see this play some kind of game, unlike say...the Phantom...
Still, this does make me worry about old Nintendo. Who still hasn't realized that they can't dictate to the gamer anymore what kind of fun they can have while playing. That's the big problem with the Gamecube, it's Nintendo's kind of fun. Which is fun, but not as fun as the PS2's kinda (Where the devloper can pretty well make the kinda of fun they want).
Satoshi I have a lot of respect for your opinions and thoughts but that last statement is... kinda ridiculous.
I mean, how is Nintendo stopping developers from making the games that they want to make? Nintendo doesn't dictate to game devs what games they want to make.
This is not a Nintendo versus PS2 rant/argument/debate. Nintendo has a lot of problems but censoring their game devs is not one of them.
I also think that the new DS console has potential. I think the two screens could produce interesting types of gameplay with 1st and 3rd person games. You'd have two simultanous views, interesting possibilities.
Or in real time strategy games you'd be able to control two sets of units almost simultanously.
I think there are valid and good applications for the two screens. Plus new ideas that we haven't even thought.
It could be a flop if no one backs Nintendo and if no one really utilizes the 2 screens to produce new types of gameplay.
Finally, game devs are afraid of backing Nintendo because of the N64 and the GC. But game devs love the GBA. So... I think there'll be some support. Especially since game devs like to make games for a platform with little competition and a large user base.
And people will buy the DS. If its a GBAx2, people will buy it.
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2536th Post
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| "Re(9):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Wed 21 Jan 23:22
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Satoshi I have a lot of respect for your opinions and thoughts but that last statement is... kinda ridiculous.
I mean, how is Nintendo stopping developers from making the games that they want to make? Nintendo doesn't dictate to game devs what games they want to make.
This is not a Nintendo versus PS2 rant/argument/debate. Nintendo has a lot of problems but censoring their game devs is not one of them.
Perhaps I need to clarify, as I didn't mean to imply that Nintendo is censoring devlopers. The sales they lost due to Mortal Kombat and the changing game market means they can never go back to their SNES policies in NA or anywhere...
Yet, personally, I still feel that Gamecube hardware shapes the games on it (Much like the Saturn Hardware shaped the games on it). Iwata says as much when you read his interviews on hardware, games, and what the future holds. He has a very well defined view of what fun is, and intends to provide it with Nintendo's games (Check out This article from 1up, gleaned from Insert Credit to see). And Nintendo hardware is built around Nintendo games for the most part, so unintentionally that reflects on the system and the third party games.
It's a subtle feeling, but perhaps it's best illustrated by the GC controller. I find it works best when used on Nintendo games and games built for the GC. It's a wonderfull pad for those style of games...
But when you use it for ports or multi-platform games it begins to fall apart. The different sized buttons feel out of place, and it just doesn't provide the precision that the more generic Dual Shock 2 and S controller provide for games of this style. Those pads are meant to provide a comfortable gaming experience that can be carried over to multiple games of any genre, yet the Cube pad needs to have the games specificly melded to it's abilities to get the most out of the gameing experience.
Or perhaps it's not the hardware that's coloring my opinions on it. Perhaps it's Nintendo polcies and creed that's forcing me to look at the Cube differently. We've seen the interviews over the past few years, from Yamaguchi to Iwata, on Nintendo's game making philosphies. In the end maybe I can seperate Nintendo the game maker from Nintedo the console maker (at least for the Cube and the N64). The Nintendo Gamecube equals Nintendo. Compare that to the PS2, where it feels more like a Game machine. A badly designed one in some cases, but a game machine none the less. Namco used this excuse to explain for the lower than expected sales of Tales of Symphonia and Baiten Kaitos, saying they didn't fit the Gamecube user base and tastes...
So that's why I feel the Gamecube is offering a Nintendo style fun. It may not be intentional, it may not even be planned, and it may just be me (And it may not even be a problem, as Nintendo fun is still fun in most cases). But it's still a Nintendo focused fun, and if they can't shake that from the hardware they'll never be able to escape the "It's a good second system to have" tag that Nintendo has....
Rambiling, I know. But I have split opinions on the Cube. I enjoy it and it's games, but if it wasn't for the Gameboy player I'd probably be disapointed in it...
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| Sensenic 1069th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Thu 22 Jan 12:36
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What is really sad is that somehow, Nintendo is managing to stay afloat with the blunders over the past years, yet Sega cracked and gave in and went software-only. And while it is just my opinion, I think Sega created more innovative products during the past decade than Nintendo or Sony has.
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Just proves that marketing means more than quality.
Indeed...  {-sigh-
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Individual LCD screens do not fold. Thus, a portable system with a six inch LCD screen will be more than six inches wide in your pockets. Or, more accurately, three inches IN your pocket and three or four inches OUT of your pocket. Two three inch LCD screens, on the other hand, can be folded to fit just as easily as a GBA SP in your pocket, but form a full 6" LCD display when unfolded.
Say, are you carrying a NintendoDS in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Thu 22 Jan 20:48
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What is really sad is that somehow, Nintendo is managing to stay afloat with the blunders over the past years, yet Sega cracked and gave in and went software-only. And while it is just my opinion, I think Sega created more innovative products during the past decade than Nintendo or Sony has. Just proves that marketing means more than quality.
The main reason that Nintendo is staying afloat despite recent blunders is due to how it runs business. Nintendo is very calculating and for the most part play a safe game in the market. Wasn't it only recently that they reported a lose when it comes to profit? That is a pretty good record if you ask me. Still, even with recent blunders, Nintendo has had good games. So have all the other systems. I already have a PS2 and Gamecube, next on my list is Xbox. Then, by time I purchase that....there will be a new line of consoles I must buy :( Oh well... It is both a blessing and a curse to be surrounded by good games. At least my roommate has an Xbox, but he is an RPG gamer and thus does not have Xbox-live, which I am curious to try. But yeah, let Nintendo do what it wants for now. It will always come down to whether or not we, the customers, buy their products. Personally, Nintendo has fond memories for me, so I tend to buy their stuff first. The others are cool in their own ways as well, but Miyamoto makes some kick ass games that I usually can't pass up :)
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| Hungrywolf 2636th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Thu 22 Jan 20:51
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What is really sad is that somehow, Nintendo is managing to stay afloat with the blunders over the past years, yet Sega cracked and gave in and went software-only. And while it is just my opinion, I think Sega created more innovative products during the past decade than Nintendo or Sony has. Just proves that marketing means more than quality.
The main reason that Nintendo is staying afloat despite recent blunders is due to how it runs business. Nintendo is very calculating and for the most part play a safe game in the market. Wasn't it only recently that they reported a lose when it comes to profit? That is a pretty good record if you ask me. Still, even with recent blunders, Nintendo has had good games. So have all the other systems. I already have a PS2 and Gamecube, next on my list is Xbox. Then, by time I purchase that....there will be a new line of consoles I must buy :( Oh well... It is both a blessing and a curse to be surrounded by good games. At least my roommate has an Xbox, but he is an RPG gamer and thus does not have Xbox-live, which I am curious to try. But yeah, let Nintendo do what it wants for now. It will always come down to whether or not we, the customers, buy their products. Personally, Nintendo has fond memories for me, so I tend to buy their stuff first. The others are cool in their own ways as well, but Miyamoto makes some kick ass games that I usually can't pass up :)
You just summed up my feelings on Nintendo in that post. It was a beautiful thing.
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| Omar 306th Post
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| "Re(6):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Fri 23 Jan 15:04:
Here's something I feel is not right.
If I understood it correctly, there are 2 screens, each with it's own CPU. One of those I belive is slower than the other
Why one of those CPU is slower than the other? Why not exactly the same type of CPU for both?
I'm getting the impression that the second CPU exists mainly to achive full GBA compatibility.
Also, one CPU being slower than the other, this means that coders might not take full advantage of the faster one, if they are creating a game that requires both screens to display a single game playfield, like, a wide screen Castlevania or Metroid.
Of course, I'm no programmer and I could be wrong in my assumptions.
Edit: MISTAKES ARGAHAGBLARH
also, Ammadeau made the same coment about vertical oriented games BALHALAGRH
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| Radish 2153th Post
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| "Re(7):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Fri 23 Jan 16:53
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Here's something I feel is not right.
If I understood it correctly, there are 2 screens, each with it's own CPU. One of those I belive is slower than the other
Why one of those CPU is slower than the other? Why not exactly the same type of CPU for both?
I'm getting the impression that the second CPU exists mainly to achive full GBA compatibility.
Also, one CPU being slower than the other, this means that coders might not take full advantage of the faster one, if they are creating a game that requires both screens to display a single game playfield, like, a wide screen Castlevania or Metroid.
Of course, I'm no programmer and I could be wrong in my assumptions.
Edit: MISTAKES ARGAHAGBLARH
also, Ammadeau made the same coment about vertical oriented games BALHALAGRH
If the screens have a large divider then playing a game that uses both as one screen would be pretty distracting. Unless this thng is going to be those cool glasses I've seen floating around, this seems like it'll be used for strategy games and stuff most likely.
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| Luisinan 712th Post
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| "Re(9):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Sat 24 Jan 00:50
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If the screens have a large divider then playing a game that uses both as one screen would be pretty distracting. Unless this thng is going to be those cool glasses I've seen floating around, this seems like it'll be used for strategy games and stuff most likely.
You are right, it could certainly be like that.
I really can't wait to see how Nintendo's first party games are like on that console.
I'll be the first person to say it on this board (I think I'm the first):
This DS is going to be great. It will surpass and build on the GBA success.
A few things you have to understand about me and about why I think it'll be great. Firstly, I don't fall for the Nintendo hype. I didn't buy an e-reader or any of the extra peripheral crap. I think I'm pretty critical of the Big N.
Now, about the DS. The idea is simple, even 'stupid simple' but its going to work. As long as developers really use the second screen to add new depths of gameplay. The second screen has potential people. I think years from now, anyone who wants to make a new portable console will have to make sure they have a second screen.
Nintendo trumped Sony on the portable field again. I predict its gonna be like this: Nintendo is gonna have 3 portable consoles, the GBA (cheap), SP (good), DS (pricey but good). The DS will be backwards compatible of course. I wonder if DS games can be played on the GBA minus the second screen? Nintendo might phase out the regular GBA, but I don't know. I don't think the SP is gonna get cheaper any time soon.
Anyway. I don't know what's gonna happen to the PSP. All I know is that the PSP is gonna be pricey (probably +$200). And big. And hard on batteries. I don't give a damn if I get hyper realistic virtual T&A on a portable device if I can't comfortably fit it in my pocket. If Sony pulls a miracle and the PSP has similar dimensions as the GBA or SP, and the battery life is good, then it'll likely be a hit. Otherwise, it'll be much better then the n-gage but worse then the x-box (in terms of popularity).
I'm not falling for the hype, but the GBA is a great platform even if its not a super powerful mega monster machine. Game devs work hard to put good games on that machine.
End hype ramble. I will save this thread and show it a year from now.
I don't think I'll have egg on my face though.
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| Ammadeau 684th Post
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| "Re(10):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'console'" , posted Sat 24 Jan 05:00
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I'll be the first person to say it on this board (I think I'm the first):
This DS is going to be great. It will surpass and build on the GBA success.
A few things you have to understand about me and about why I think it'll be great. Firstly, I don't fall for the Nintendo hype. I didn't buy an e-reader or any of the extra peripheral crap. I think I'm pretty critical of the Big N.
Now, about the DS. The idea is simple, even 'stupid simple' but its going to work. As long as developers really use the second screen to add new depths of gameplay. The second screen has potential people. I think years from now, anyone who wants to make a new portable console will have to make sure they have a second screen.
Nintendo trumped Sony on the portable field again. I predict its gonna be like this: Nintendo is gonna have 3 portable consoles, the GBA (cheap), SP (good), DS (pricey but good). The DS will be backwards compatible of course. I wonder if DS games can be played on the GBA minus the second screen? Nintendo might phase out the regular GBA, but I don't know. I don't think the SP is gonna get cheaper any time soon.
Anyway. I don't know what's gonna happen to the PSP. All I know is that the PSP is gonna be pricey (probably +$200). And big. And hard on batteries. I don't give a damn if I get hyper realistic virtual T&A on a portable device if I can't comfortably fit it in my pocket. If Sony pulls a miracle and the PSP has similar dimensions as the GBA or SP, and the battery life is good, then it'll likely be a hit. Otherwise, it'll be much better then the n-gage but worse then the x-box (in terms of popularity).
I'm not falling for the hype, but the GBA is a great platform even if its not a super powerful mega monster machine. Game devs work hard to put good games on that machine.
End hype ramble. I will save this thread and show it a year from now.
I don't think I'll have egg on my face though.
You must have missed the part about the Nintnedo DS being a companion product and not the successor to the GBA, which is being worked on seperately. It doesn't even use GBA carts so it's unlikely to be compatible with the GBA.
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| Radish 2157th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):Re:Nintendo DS- New 'cons" , posted Sat 24 Jan 06:33:
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I'll be the first person to say it on this board (I think I'm the first):
This DS is going to be great. It will surpass and build on the GBA success.
A few things you have to understand about me and about why I think it'll be great. Firstly, I don't fall for the Nintendo hype. I didn't buy an e-reader or any of the extra peripheral crap. I think I'm pretty critical of the Big N.
Now, about the DS. The idea is simple, even 'stupid simple' but its going to work. As long as developers really use the second screen to add new depths of gameplay. The second screen has potential people. I think years from now, anyone who wants to make a new portable console will have to make sure they have a second screen.
Nintendo trumped Sony on the portable field again. I predict its gonna be like this: Nintendo is gonna have 3 portable consoles, the GBA (cheap), SP (good), DS (pricey but good). The DS will be backwards compatible of course. I wonder if DS games can be played on the GBA minus the second screen? Nintendo might phase out the regular GBA, but I don't know. I don't think the SP is gonna get cheaper any time soon.
Anyway. I don't know what's gonna happen to the PSP. All I know is that the PSP is gonna be pricey (probably +$200). And big. And hard on batteries. I don't give a damn if I get hyper realistic virtual T&A on a portable device if I can't comfortably fit it in my pocket. If Sony pulls a miracle and the PSP has similar dimensions as the GBA or SP, and the battery life is good, then it'll likely be a hit. Otherwise, it'll be much better then the n-gage but worse then the x-box (in terms of popularity).
I'm not falling for the hype, but the GBA is a great platform even if its not a super powerful mega monster machine. Game devs work hard to put good games on that machine.
End hype ramble. I will save this thread and show it a year from now.
I don't think I'll have egg on my face though.
You must have missed the part about the Nintnedo DS being a companion product and not the successor to the GBA, which is being worked on seperately. It doesn't even use GBA carts so it's unlikely to be compatible with the GBA.
Yes, I think you're being incredibly lenient with Nintendo while being hard on Sony (not that I have a stake personally in this or anything). Sony's already said that they are trying to work on the battery issue so I would assume they'll get something like the GBASP going where you can recharge it for about 6 hours of play. The price is a concern of mine as well, but I guess we'll have to wait until Sony says something. I don't believe anyone would be foolish enough to release a $200-$300 portable and expect it to catch on with anyone other than die hard fans.
The DS will require Game developers to learn how to use a new machine instead of programming for an already successful one where they are pretty much assured sales as long as the game isn't really crappy. I don't think a lot of people are going to rush out to buy the next Nintendo portable unless it's got some REALLY spectacular games coming out for it. Most people just bought a GBASP/GBA in the last few years (or like me both...) and don't want to get another just because it's got an odd gimmick. Since it's not the next GBA, I don't even see Nintendo supporting it that well. Look at their other gimmicky products and you'll see that they lose interest once they don't sell so well or third parties don't take advantage of them (Gameboy printer, Gameboy camera, virtual boy, gameboy card reader, etc.)
My theory is that this is Nintendo trying to take some of the thunder from the PSP at e3 since they aren't ready to release their real next generation portable. I'm sure they'll have a decent showcase or something to wow people. However the current rumor is that the PSP will have a remake of Castlevania SOTN on it, so if that's true I don't see how it can compete in that regard.
I have a GBASP and it does pretty much everything I want in a portable (except have SNKvsCapcom Cardfighters Clash...) so unless this thing really enhances gameplay, I and probably most other portable fans won't find it worth buying another system.
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I'll be the first person to say it on this board (I think I'm the first):
This DS is going to be great. It will surpass and build on the GBA success.
A few things you have to understand about me and about why I think it'll be great. Firstly, I don't fall for the Nintendo hype. I didn't buy an e-reader or any of the extra peripheral crap. I think I'm pretty critical of the Big N.
Now, about the DS. The idea is simple, even 'stupid simple' but its going to work. As long as developers really use the second screen to add new depths of gameplay. The second screen has potential people. I think years from now, anyone who wants to make a new portable console will have to make sure they have a second screen.
Nintendo trumped Sony on the portable field again. I predict its gonna be like this: Nintendo is gonna have 3 portable consoles, the GBA (cheap), SP (good), DS (pricey but good). The DS will be backwards compatible of course. I wonder if DS games can be played on the GBA minus the second screen? Nintendo might phase out the regular GBA, but I don't know. I don't think the SP is gonna get cheaper any time soon.
Anyway. I don't know what's gonna happen to the PSP. All I know is that the PSP is gonna be pricey (probably +$200). And big. And hard on batteries. I don't give a damn if I get hyper realistic virtual T&A on a portable device if I can't comfortably fit it in my pocket. If Sony pulls a miracle and the PSP has similar dimensions as the GBA or SP, and the battery life is good, then it'll likely be a hit. Otherwise, it'll be much better then the n-gage but worse then the x-box (in terms of popularity).
I'm not falling for the hype, but the GBA is a great platform even if its not a super powerful mega monster machine. Game devs work hard to put good games on that machine.
End hype ramble. I will save this thread and show it a year from now.
I don't think I'll have egg on my face though.
You must have missed the part about the Nintnedo DS being a companion product and not the successor to the GBA, which is being worked on seperately. It doesn't even use GBA carts so it's unlikely to be compatible with the GBA.
Yes, I think you're being incredibly lenient with Nintendo while being hard on Sony (not that I have a stake personally in this or anything). Sony's already said that they are trying to work on the battery issue so I would assume they'll get something like the GBASP going where you can recharge it for about 6 hours of play. The price is a concern of mine as well, but I guess we'll have to wait until Sony says something. I don't believe anyone would be foolish enough to release a $200-$300 portable and expect it to catch on with anyone other than die hard fans.
The DS will require Game developers to learn how to use a new machine instead of programming for an already successful one where they are pretty much assured sales as long as the game isn't really crappy. I don't think a lot of people are going to rush out to buy the next Nintendo portable unless it's got some REALLY spectacular games coming out for it. Most people just bought a GBASP/GBA in the last few years (or like me both...) and don't want to get another just because it's got an odd gimmick. Since it's not the next GBA, I don't even see Nintendo supporting it that well. Look at their other gimmicky products and you'll see that they lose interest once they don't sell so well or third parties don't take advantage of them (Gameboy printer, Gameboy camera, virtual boy, gameboy card reader, etc.)
My theory is that this is Nintendo trying to take some of the thunder from the PSP at e3 since they aren't ready to release their real next generation portable. I'm sure they'll have a decent showcase or something to wow people. However the current rumor is that the PSP will have a remake of Castlevania SOTN on it, so if that's true I don't see how it can compete in that regard.
I have a GBASP and it does pretty much everything I want in a portable (except have SNKvsCapcom Cardfighters Clash...) so unless this thing really enhances gameplay, I and probably most other portable fans won't find it worth buying another system.
The only reason i would buy one of these things is that it would be backwards compatible with gameboy. I dont even want my old gba anymore since i got my g4 ibook. I dunno where can i sell my 256 flash cart at? HEE HEE HEE.
Still it does sound pretty sweet tho....
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