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Mosquiton

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"Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 11:34

Okay, so I'm trying to get into Berserk a little more now. I've had the DC game for the longest time and I'm getting dangerously close to plunking down CDN $150 for the anime series...

What I want to know is:

Where (which story arc) does the Dreamcast Berserk fall?

What about the upcoming PS2 game? I know there was a thread about this earlier, but it's completely lost to me.

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Phoenix
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"Re(1):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 12:12

quote:
Okay, so I'm trying to get into Berserk a little more now. I've had the DC game for the longest time and I'm getting dangerously close to plunking down CDN $150 for the anime series...

What I want to know is:

Where (which story arc) does the Dreamcast Berserk fall?

What about the upcoming PS2 game? I know there was a thread about this earlier, but it's completely lost to me.

Well the DC game falls in the post anime era. I don't know the official name for these story arcs. So basically, if you haven't seen the anime- don't play the DC game... Unless you love spoilers. Is the PS2 Berserk game out yet?

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"Re(2):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 12:15

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Is the PS2 Berserk game out yet?

not yet...still in development.

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"Re(1):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:21

The anime sucks. If you can, take the manga, it's a hundred times better.
The game is a side story that isn't in the manga (maybe around the volumes 20-21?), and even though you have already been spoiled of one big surprise of the manga, it still has plenty of wonders to offer. The anime adapts poorly the first 12 volumes of the manga, with a lot of flaws, some important characters don't appear for the good reason of BECAUSE IT IS SO... Keep your money and buy the manga.

exodus

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"Re(2):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:22

hrm, without having read the manga, the anime is quite enjoyable. I'm certain that the manga is better, as it tends to be. but without knowledge of the manga, I think it stands on it's own very well.

Olivier Hagué
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"Re(1):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:23:

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Where (which story arc) does the Dreamcast Berserk fall?

"Millennium Falcon Hen", hence the title of the game.
I guess it would take place between volumes 22 and 23...

[this message was edited by Olivier Hagué on Tue 20 Jan 13:24]

Juan

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"Re(1):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:31

The manga was finally released by dark horse as well.

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Hellsing too.

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Okay, so I'm trying to get into Berserk

stfu

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:47

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Hellsing too.

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Sano

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"Re(1):school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 13:58

Seeing as how I've only read the first 2 Manga Books translated by Dark Horse, I can't really rate it compared to the Anime just yet.

Anyway, I liked the Anime, but it has the worst Anime ending of all time, even worse than Evangelion's TV ending.

The Anime's still worth checking out, though. It's very violent, has lots of sex and blood (and none of that cheesey Anime White Blood, real blood), a great soundtrack and Character Designs by the same Artist who did the Character Designs for the Street Fighter Zero Anime and Fist of the Northstar. Oh, and no Puck. While I'm not all that familiar with Puck in the Manga seeing as I've only read the first 2 Manga Books, in the Dreamcast Game he was as annoying as all other kid friendly sidekicks, like Snarf from Thundercats, Uni from Dungeons and Dragons and that Stupid Dog from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.

Magus Darkstar
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"Re(2):school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 14:01

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... and that Stupid Dog from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.

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"Re(3):school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 14:03

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Ms. Lion

Yeah, that's the one.

Grahf
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"Re(1):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 14:10

To me, the manga and anime are both great, but I found the anime to be much better. The music and art (especially the backgrounds and stills) are both unforgettable, and all the characters are voiced perfectly. Not to mention that there's nothing better than seeing Gatsu in action.

A lot of people don't like the ending (and I'll do my best to not spoil anything here) because it does kind of leave you hanging, but I thought that it was very original and wraps up everything that is dealt with in the series itself. It leaves you wanting more, but that's what the manga is for.

Overall though, the anime series is one of my all-time favorites, and I would recommend it to anyone who can stomach the violence.

Iggy

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"Re(2):school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 14:13:

About Puck : actually, he appears in the first 3 volumes, then only appears around volume 10.
In the meantime, Miura learned how to make a manga. The first 5 or so volumes are not that great, then the artist really begins to draw better and better, and when Puck comes back, he has suddenly become one of the most funny characters ever made. Really, it's really hard to open the first volumes of the manga now and see him, it's like it's a completely different character.

EDIT : to quote Olivier : Yeah, the music of the anime is so much better than in the manga.
Oh, and since you seem to be new to the world of Berserk, take good habits from the beginning : the hero's name is Guts.

G-U-T-S

[this message was edited by Iggy on Tue 20 Jan 14:20]

Magus Darkstar
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"Re(3):school is for fools" , posted Tue 20 Jan 14:49

quote:
About Puck : actually, he appears in the first 3 volumes, then only appears around volume 10.
In the meantime, Miura learned how to make a manga. The first 5 or so volumes are not that great, then the artist really begins to draw better and better, and when Puck comes back, he has suddenly become one of the most funny characters ever made. Really, it's really hard to open the first volumes of the manga now and see him, it's like it's a completely different character.

EDIT : to quote Olivier : Yeah, the music of the anime is so much better than in the manga.
Oh, and since you seem to be new to the world of Berserk, take good habits from the beginning : the hero's name is Guts.

G-U-T-S

Well, if he's reading/watching the North American releases, he should be fine, since his name is "Guts" in those. The DC game, however, seems like it can't decide, so they call him "Gattsu", and make "Guts" sort of like a nick name.

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Mosquiton

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"Re(2):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 15:17

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To me, the manga and anime are both great, but I found the anime to be much better. The music and art (especially the backgrounds and stills) are both unforgettable, and all the characters are voiced perfectly. Not to mention that there's nothing better than seeing Gatsu in action.

A lot of people don't like the ending (and I'll do my best to not spoil anything here) because it does kind of leave you hanging, but I thought that it was very original and wraps up everything that is dealt with in the series itself. It leaves you wanting more, but that's what the manga is for.

Overall though, the anime series is one of my all-time favorites, and I would recommend it to anyone who can stomach the violence.

Actually I've seen the first few episodes of the anime and liked it quite a bit. I've heard that some pretty rough stuff happens in the finale, which would make sense considering Guts is less an eye and an arm in the 'present' first episode.

So I suppose I'll watch the series, keep the bitchin' imagery and music in my head, then read the manga.

Thanks for the info, guys.

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Radish

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"Re(3):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 15:57

The first episode was really the best. The rest is just a massive prequel. From what I've read the manga is better.

It also dumped my books and made me cry. The finale really comes out of nowhere and sodomized you.

war
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"Re(4):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 16:31

I liked the anime at the time I watched it. A good introduction to the manga if anything.
As for the manga, I'll have to agree with everyone who's posted above that it's great. There are some flaws, namely some filler done for shock's sake and the more recent plot developments (ugh).
But good God, the Lost Children's arc (volumes 14-16) is pure, classical genius. It's like Blake ate Shakesphere's brain and went mad from kuru.
Adon is God, btw.

Mosquiton

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"Re(5):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 17:04:

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As for the manga, I'll have to agree with everyone who's posted above that it's great. There are some flaws, namely some filler done for shock's sake and the more recent plot developments (ugh).

Nothing that permanently fucks things up is it? I guess that's the risk every series faces when it keeps going for years and year...

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It's like Blake ate Shakesphere's brain and went mad from kuru.

Wait, William Blake? What manner of kuru?

*edited for format problem

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[this message was edited by Mosquiton on Tue 20 Jan 17:05]

Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(4):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 18:40

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It also dumped my books and made me cry. The finale really comes out of nowhere and sodomized you.

Good choice of phrase.

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Mozex
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"Re(3):Berserk" , posted Tue 20 Jan 21:02

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So I suppose I'll watch the series, keep the bitchin' imagery and music in my head, then read the manga.

How exactly is "Terr me what you want!" bitchin music?

I found the anime to be amazingly average. The best part of the DVDs are the (English)voice actor bloopers - Those alone are almost worth the price of admission.

Be kind to goblins.

Iggy

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"Re(5):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 00:23:

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There are some flaws, namely some filler done for shock's sake and the more recent plot developments (ugh).

What do you mean, recent plot developments flaws !?
Slan ! Schierke! Ganishka! Locus and Irvine!
SLAN ! SLAN, for christ sake !!!!
As it is, the manga could really last until volume 40 and beyound without any problems. Nothing like the tired 3x3 eyes "Uh, what should I do to make it last a little bit longer? Oh! I know! They are too weak and they flee!" pattern.

[this message was edited by Iggy on Wed 21 Jan 00:55]

Radish

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"Re(6):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 05:41:

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Nothing like the tired 3x3 eyes "Uh, what should I do to make it last a little bit longer? Oh! I know! They are too weak and they flee!" pattern.

3x3 eyes is still going?? I remember that series being old 4 years ago.

On that topic though, does anyone know the deal with Darkhorse's 3x3 eyes translation? I thought they scrapped it entirely after it failed when they stuck it in the same magazine as "What's Micheal" (HUH???) but I saw some books which seemed to go further into the story arc than where they left off. Have they started up again?

[this message was edited by Radish on Wed 21 Jan 06:00]

Mosquiton

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"Re(4):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 06:03

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How exactly is "Terr me what you want!" bitchin music?

How exactly do the J-rockin' themes totally override the rest of the music?

If you've watched the series you'd know what I mean! Ass.

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Iggy

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"Re(7):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 06:08

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3x3 eyes is still going?? I remember that series being old 4 years ago.

No, no, it ended (at last!) at volume 40 last year, I think.
I mean, I do like this series, but it could have been shortenned to 20, 30 volumes for the best.

Radish

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"Re(8):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 06:18:

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3x3 eyes is still going?? I remember that series being old 4 years ago.
No, no, it ended (at last!) at volume 40 last year, I think.
I mean, I do like this series, but it could have been shortenned to 20, 30 volumes for the best.

Yeah I know what you mean. I stopped reading OMG/AMG a while ago. I used to be a super huge fan, but he really stretched out the plot to absurd lengths. Also his art has gotten way too flowery with constant "AAWWWWWWWWW!!!" pictures of Belldandy as she says something along the lines of "Twue wuv is the greatest thing ever! I wuv you Keiichi" I liked it for it's merging of technology and folklore and it's moved too far from that in my opinion.

Not trying to start an argument with any fans here. The story arc in which Skuld and the bike kid where she got her own picture where she was looking at the reader with half closed eyes and flowers everywhere ruined it for me a little.

[this message was edited by Radish on Wed 21 Jan 06:25]

Ishmael

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"Re(5):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 07:28

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How exactly is "Terr me what you want!" bitchin music?

How exactly do the J-rockin' themes totally override the rest of the music?

If you've watched the series you'd know what I mean! Ass.

While the score from what I've seen of the Berserk anime sounds like it wants to sound like something from Basil Poledouris [which isn't surprising since Berserk has that whole Robert E. Howard thing going on] but that opening theme song is something else altogether. It almost tops MD Geist for having the oddest theme song around.

"He's just a soldieeeeeeer..."

war
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"Re(6):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 16:57

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What do you mean, recent plot developments flaws !?

I guess 'recent' isn't the right word, but I meant, to sum it up, the weapon power-ups for everyone. THAT RUINS EVERYTHING, but not really.
But of course, Miura is going to throw some huge morbid surprise in later (like the RESURRECTION) that will make me realize how great the earlier chapters were. But I'm pissy right now because there's not enough black dog brooding or big bald men swinging mallets.

Iggy

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"Re(7):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 17:33

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I guess 'recent' isn't the right word, but I meant, to sum it up, the weapon power-ups for everyone. THAT RUINS EVERYTHING, but not really.
But of course, Miura is going to throw some huge morbid surprise in later (like the RESURRECTION) that will make me realize how great the earlier chapters were. But I'm pissy right now because there's not enough black dog brooding or big bald men swinging mallets.

He doesn't need to do it later. If you're talking about Gut's new armor,

Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
we already know what it does. And it's definitely NOT a healthy powerup. It's not "Guts learned a new technique to kill the baddies faster", he just went one step closer to lose his humanity. And by the look on his face when he takes the helmet off, there was more psychological evolution in this fight then in the last 2 volumes.

End of Spoiler

Pollyanna
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"Re(8):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 18:16

Yeah, at first the power up thing seemed sort of silly, or gratuitious...especially since volume 25 is mostly just "fun" filler, but yeah...the newest chapters are getting way more intense. Iggy's totally right about Gut's "new power". Heheh...but with the white in his hair, I thought he looked a bit like Blackjack.

I'm just happy that Serpico is still around, though I'm totally furious that he gets ZERO merchandise. They've made like...12 practically identical Gut's figures, 5 normal Caska's, 5 crazy Caska's etc...etc...but not ONE Serpico ANYTHING.

Mozex
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"Re(5):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 18:27

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How exactly do the J-rockin' themes totally override the rest of the music?

If you've watched the series you'd know what I mean! Ass.

The "J-rockin' theme" is very bad music. If the rest of the music in the series was that bad it wouldn't have been overshadowed.

Be kind to goblins.

war
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"Re(9):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 19:50

With one white tuft Guts will become Neo White Hawk. This will unlock his hidden memories of his past life as a one armed jewel thief in the streets of Midland. This will give him a +2 to his DEX score but a -1 to his WIS score.
I like Guts' new power. It was just that the weapons +1 "firebrand" for the rest of the 'party' should come from a treasure chest or wiggling cube of marmalade not a kindly witch.
And they need to make a Adon figure already with 300 years of finely crafted accesories.

Mosquiton

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"Re(6):Berserk" , posted Wed 21 Jan 21:06:

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The "J-rockin' theme" is very bad music. If the rest of the music in the series was that bad it wouldn't have been overshadowed.

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How exactly is "Terr me what you want!" bitchin music?

I never claimed that the theme qualified as 'bitchin'. Not that its strange qualities are beyond appreciaton. To each his own, of course.

Now off my back, foul monkey of the new year!

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[this message was edited by Mosquiton on Wed 21 Jan 21:12]

Iggy

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"Re(9):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 02:21

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Heheh...but with the white in his hair, I thought he looked a bit like Blackjack.

He looks even more moeeeeeee !

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I'm just happy that Serpico is still around, though I'm totally furious that he gets ZERO merchandise. They've made like...12 practically identical Gut's figures, 5 normal Caska's, 5 crazy Caska's etc...etc...but not ONE Serpico ANYTHING.

Is there any merchandise of Farneze or Isidoro?

Ganishka Cristal Power, Make Up !

Pollyanna
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"Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 05:21

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Is there any merchandise of Farneze or Isidoro?
Ganishka Cristal Power, Make Up !

Yeah, they just came out with an Isidoro figure...or...uhm...model/figure. As for Farneze...there's an SD keychain from a few years ago. That's all I know about at least.

Spoon
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"Re(9):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 09:51

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Yeah, at first the power up thing seemed sort of silly, or gratuitious...especially since volume 25 is mostly just "fun" filler...

I was left despairing after vol.25, and not for the right reasons...

All I want is for that little witch girl to get booted from the story. Every time I look at her, I'm thinking of how she will make Berserk degenerate into typical humdrum standard sword-and-sorcery fare. Kill her, make her vanish in a plot hole, i don't care. If she gets thrown out or radically redefined in some fantastically brilliant way, I'd be much happier.

re: the PS2 game...
You guys have probably seen the early pictures of it that were released last year, showing Guts fighting those damn trolls (don't let me get started on them). I am afraid; again, not for the right reasons.

Iggy

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"Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 11:29

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All I want is for that little witch girl to get booted from the story.

People who think Berserk is just some violent manga with boobs from times to time make me sad.
Schierke is an interesting character, her addition adds a lot to the story, it deepens the universe, it allow to present Flora more than just "she's the Yoda bitch who knows all Oh she's dead", and, as each the other character of Guts's troop, she one of the key to help Guts retain his sanity.

Locus's apostle form makes me sad.

Kikkoken

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"Re(2):Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 11:38

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All I want is for that little witch girl to get booted from the story.
People who think Berserk is just some violent manga with boobs from times to time make me sad.
Schierke is an interesting character, her addition adds a lot to the story, it deepens the universe, it allow to present Flora more than just "she's the Yoda bitch who knows all Oh she's dead", and, as each the other character of Guts's troop, she one of the key to help Guts retain his sanity.

Locus's apostle form makes me sad.

As I'm a boobs maniac, I might give it a go then!

Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(3):Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 13:22

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Locus's apostle form makes me sad.

Why? Does it have boobs?

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As I'm a boobs maniac, I might give it a go then!

What!? You mean man boobs or something? Get to a Jabba the Hutt fansite with that shit!

MAN BOOBS MAKE JESUS CRY

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"Re(4):Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 14:09

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Locus's apostle form makes me sad.
Why? Does it have boobs?

No, he's just ugly.
I don't hate boobs, I'm a very boobs friendly person, one of my best friends has huge boobs and is a female at the same time.
And the mooving boobs of Mai just convinced me to give another try to SvC.
I just hate ugly people.

Spoon
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"Re(2):Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 20:52

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Schierke is an interesting character,

If we can get back to the nice, classic tragedy that Berserk was and far far far away from the run of the mill fantasy RPG garbage vol.25 was then i will be very very happy. I'm sorry, but vol.25 devastated me, and I focus tremendous amounts of rage upon the harbinger of it all, that damn witch girl. She brings ruin! And not in a good way!

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People who think Berserk is just some violent manga with boobs from times to time make me sad.

I know, my Fist of the North Star av sends people the wrong msg all the time.

I love my classic tragedy, I do, but vol.25 scarred me deeply. I'm trying to get over the terrible impression it left upon me, but to play down its wretchedness in the scheme of the whole saga would be to devalue every ounce of greatness that Berserk had previously shown me.
Yes, I honestly believe that it was just that bad.

I haven't read all of vol.26, but I don't suppose any of you know the story as to why. It's great.
I was reading through some scans of it, when suddenly my img viewer has difficulty loading the scans, eventually crashing. I reboot, only to find my computer crazy unstable; turns out the HDD containing that volume had undergone severe failure. Within a day, my other HDD fails, and I find that my motherboard has blown capacitors.
I feel that my computer sacrificed itself to stop me from reading that volume, and I haven't the strength to deny that sacrifice.

war
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"Re(3):Re(10):Berserk" , posted Thu 22 Jan 20:58

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I feel that my computer sacrificed itself to stop me from reading that volume, and I haven't the strength to deny that sacrifice.

I wish my computer would do that.
I also wish Puck would use the Baron's behelit already. He's the only character that hasn't power'd up.