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beto
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"Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 09:58

Trieu will announce something "big" in a few days.

http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4859

The way he wrote, it sounds like a SNKP-Atomiswave announcement:

we received info from a Sammy Insider, not SNK...

Meaning, it´s something he expected SNKP to announce, but Sammy did.

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"Re(1):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 12:04

Isn't the KOF Sammy beta test starting soon or I'm lost?

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"Re(2):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 12:15

quote:
Isn't the KOF Sammy beta test starting soon or I'm lost?

Well, if I'm not mistaken the beta test has been anounced by the company while this "big event" hasn't been spoken of before.

beto
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"Re(2):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 12:16:

quote:
Isn't the KOF Sammy beta test starting soon or I'm lost?

Two days.

But i don´t think it´s KOFSammy, because he said he´ll be posting the announcement by the end of the week or so, which is after the beta-test, not to mention it wouldn´t be a surprise at all - we all know Sammy is making a KOF game.

[this message was edited by beto on Wed 14 Jan 12:19]

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"Re(3):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 12:56

it might be that SNK's game properties are moving over to sammy? If you read the news about SNK on my site today...it's a little scary.

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"Re(3):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 12:58

quote:
Isn't the KOF Sammy beta test starting soon or I'm lost?

No, it isn't. The announcement from the other thread was for the beta test of Rumblefish and "Net Select Salaryman Kintaro". No mention of KoFSammy anywhere on there.

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"Re(4):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 13:28

Man,Sammy seems to be handling a lot of hot properties at the moment.

You know,I'd rather see an SNK vs Sammy game rather than Sammy vs Capcom. I think SNK's characters work more better with Sammy's. SNK has plenty of bizarre or just weird designs that'd fit right in(Doremon,Ash,the Chonrei twins,K'9999...the list goes on and on).

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"Re(5):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 14:19

quote:
Man,Sammy seems to be handling a lot of hot properties at the moment.

You know,I'd rather see an SNK vs Sammy game rather than Sammy vs Capcom. I think SNK's characters work more better with Sammy's. SNK has plenty of bizarre or just weird designs that'd fit right in(Doremon,Ash,the Chonrei twins,K'9999...the list goes on and on).

But isn't almost any character from the Vampire series bizarre too though? In addition to the strange characters in Third Strike and Blanka.

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"Re(6):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 15:13

Extremely unlikely theory alert:
IIRC, about a couple of months or so Trieu started a thread mentioning there'd be a major event change that'd affect the gaming worl, or at least several sites, including SNK-Capcom.com itself:
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4277

Several people speculate that it might be an SNK/Capcom merger, but I'm not too sure about that...
One non-impossibility comes to mind though: considering Sammy is working on a KoF,, that an SvC2 game is planned/confirmed, and there's also a Capcom Vs Sammy game in the works, what do you think the odds are that if there's really going to be a merger, it's between SNK and Sammy?...

Refute at will.

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Gen

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"Re(7):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 15:18

quote:
Extremely unlikely theory alert:
IIRC, about a couple of months or so Trieu started a thread mentioning there'd be a major event change that'd affect the gaming worl, or at least several sites, including SNK-Capcom.com itself:
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4277

Several people speculate that it might be an SNK/Capcom merger, but I'm not too sure about that...
One non-impossibility comes to mind though: considering Sammy is working on a KoF,, that an SvC2 game is planned/confirmed, and there's also a Capcom Vs Sammy game in the works, what do you think the odds are that if there's really going to be a merger, it's between SNK and Sammy?...

Refute at will.

I hope not. I want autonomous SNK Playmore making old-SNK level games. ^_^

Ishmael

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"Re(8):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 17:16

SNK Pachinko Love

I had hoped that SNK would expand their horizons a bit instead of just putting out KoF year after year but as this article and Insert Credit noted they may be expanding straight out of games entirely. At this point I wouldn't be at all surprised if leased out their characters or their game series out to Sammy.

Luisinan

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"Re(6):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 17:31

quote:
Man,Sammy seems to be handling a lot of hot properties at the moment.

You know,I'd rather see an SNK vs Sammy game rather than Sammy vs Capcom. I think SNK's characters work more better with Sammy's. SNK has plenty of bizarre or just weird designs that'd fit right in(Doremon,Ash,the Chonrei twins,K'9999...the list goes on and on).

But isn't almost any character from the Vampire series bizarre too though? In addition to the strange characters in Third Strike and Blanka.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. The Third Strike crew has half a cast of bizarre characters that could fit perfectly in a GG game. The other half could be composed of DS characters. Maybe even have a third of the cast come from Plasma Sword. Then you'd have the best mixture.

About the rumor/announcement. If its a 'leasing' of characters/properties for Sammy-- then I'm all for it. Its time for change. Its time for some 2D fighters that can really HYPE UP the scene. SvC, SS5 and KOF 2K3 were pretty good about hyping us. But KOF Sammy and Sammy vs Capcom are stratospheric hype.

If its a Sam and SNKP merger. Well, it might be good but SNKP has been doing fantastic ever since they debuted.

BTW, how are we gonna initialize Sammy vs Capcom. SamCap? SMvCP? SYvCM?

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Mozex
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"Re(7):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 18:14

quote:
BTW, how are we gonna initialize Sammy vs Capcom. SamCap? SMvCP? SYvCM?

SamVCap ?

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Henaki
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"Re(8):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 19:58

We call Snk vs Capcom SvC:C and Sammy vs Capcom SvC.

Simple, yet effective.

Anyway, I'm all for this news, nothing gets my blood pumping like SNK/Capcom/Sammy fighting game news XD

So...how about those...things....

Fatality
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"Re(9):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Wed 14 Jan 20:31

Sounds like a merger of some kind, hopefully Sammy takes ova SNKP or something. i dont think SNKP can survive long or maybe they're reconsidered and sold the rights of KOF2004-06 to Sammy. wohoo!

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"Re(10):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 12:42

quote:
Sounds like a merger of some kind, hopefully Sammy takes ova SNKP or something. i dont think SNKP can survive long or maybe they're reconsidered and sold the rights of KOF2004-06 to Sammy. wohoo!

IMO I hope not!!!! The only good thing in sammy is GGXX all other lisence are nothing else than average games....

SNKP should run alone, change their board (leave the MVS) but run alone.
I'mm hope more for an KOF 3d annonce.

Gen

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"Snk has big win vs Aruze." , posted Thu 15 Jan 13:32

quote:
Trieu will announce something "big" in a few days.

http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4859

The way he wrote, it sounds like a SNKP-Atomiswave announcement:

we received info from a Sammy Insider, not SNK...

Meaning, it´s something he expected SNKP to announce, but Sammy did.

http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/press17.html

Obviously like a Vegas gambler SNK thinks they are on a hot streak and are out to punish Aruze with pachinko balls. Maybe.

Mosquiton

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"Re(7):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 16:03

quote:
Man,Sammy seems to be handling a lot of hot properties at the moment.

You know,I'd rather see an SNK vs Sammy game rather than Sammy vs Capcom. I think SNK's characters work more better with Sammy's. SNK has plenty of bizarre or just weird designs that'd fit right in(Doremon,Ash,the Chonrei twins,K'9999...the list goes on and on).

But isn't almost any character from the Vampire series bizarre too though? In addition to the strange characters in Third Strike and Blanka.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. The Third Strike crew has half a cast of bizarre characters that could fit perfectly in a GG game. The other half could be composed of DS characters. Maybe even have a third of the cast come from Plasma Sword. Then you'd have the best mixture.

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"One little overlooked detail..." , posted Thu 15 Jan 18:53

Consider the fact that Sammy now practically owns Sega (well, a huge share of the company at least). Could this mean, in theory, that Sammy has access to Sega's line of characters? If so, Sammy's side of the upcoming Sammy vs Capcom might not just be limited to Guilty Gear characters, if you catch my drift.

One can only imagine:

Akira vs Sol!
Rent-A-Hero vs Faust!
Sarah vs Millia!
(and lets not forget possible Capcom rivalries!)
Guile vs Jacky!
Shou Amabane vs Captain Commando.

Or what if, in a very unlikely scenario, Sammy secures a deal to use SNK characters as Sammy characters?!?

I need to be in a straight jacket.

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ShadowSonic
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"Re(1):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 19:19

Don't forget Segata Sanshiro :P

But, I don't think Sammy has access to Sega's IPs...at least, not yet.

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beto
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"Re(2):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 19:26

Just because a person has shares of a company, doesn´t mean they can do whatever they want with their products and characters.

What do you think it is like?

"Haha, i own 22% of Midway! Now i can do a Mortal Kombat where Sub-Zero fucks Sonya!"

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"Re(3):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 19:39

quote:
Just because a person has shares of a company, doesn´t mean they can do whatever they want with their products and characters.

What do you think it is like?

"Haha, i own 22% of Midway! Now i can do a Mortal Kombat where Sub-Zero fucks Sonya!"

Have you bugged my room?

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"Re(2):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 19:47

quote:
Don't forget Segata Sanshiro :P

But, I don't think Sammy has access to Sega's IPs...at least, not yet.

Ha! Segata Sanshiro as a BOSS = dream come true.

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Burning Ranger

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"Re(3):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 19:51

quote:
Just because a person has shares of a company, doesn´t mean they can do whatever they want with their products and characters.

What do you think it is like?

"Haha, i own 22% of Midway! Now i can do a Mortal Kombat where Sub-Zero fucks Sonya!"

Are you sure about this? From an article I read a while, Sammy owns a majority of Sega and is currently installing their own staff. They're also calling for Sega to start using the Atomiswave. Hell, Sammy is already working on a Pachinko game using Sonic. If this is a sign of something, I don't know what is.

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Luisinan

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"Re(4):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Thu 15 Jan 20:34

You know, with so many mergers and false mergers, I had totally forgotten that Sammy invested heavily into Sega. Remember when there was the Sammy/Sega and Namco/Sega merger rumors? Ah those were the days indeed.

Who woulda thought of a Square Enix merger. At least Microsoft has only gotten Bungie and Rare. My nephews were actually considering getting an x-box because of the Rare X-Box game about the ghoulies. Bleh. I thought my nephews had good taste.

And hey, if SNKP dies and resurrects again- d'ya think they'll add another initial to their name? Or are we gonna have SNKP versus Capcom this year?

I still think all hell is gonna break loose when Sammy versus Capcom is released. What the hell will the fandom and hardcore communities do when they figure out that they can't use the initials SvC for this game? Its like the Y2K problem but only a million times greater.

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"Re(5):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Fri 16 Jan 23:22:

hmmmm I wonder what kind of leaked information he was referring to. The closest I could imagine was the leaked info at the KOF 2k3 beta test about a new sequel in a series....

[this message was edited by Fuchikoma on Fri 16 Jan 23:23]

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"news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 01:11

http://www.snk-capcom.com/news/archives/00000019.htm it'll be tough news for most people to swallow... and SNKP looks to lose a lot of fans.

Gen

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"Re(1):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 01:39

quote:
http://www.snk-capcom.com/news/archives/00000019.htm it'll be tough news for most people to swallow... and SNKP looks to lose a lot of fans.

Had to skim the article for now --It's hard to believe a Sammy employee would talk about such things, unless it's a stunt to manipulate stock prices. But will read tomorrow morning..

NARUTO

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"Re(2):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 02:43

quote:
Had to skim the article for now --It's hard to believe a Sammy employee would talk about such things, unless it's a stunt to manipulate stock prices. But will read tomorrow morning..

sorry I was out for some day can some tell me what happen in two words???

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"Re(3):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 02:59

Two words...hmm.....

Neo-Geo = Fucked.

I don't mind the fact that they're moving on to new hardware. Hell, I've been looking forward to it for a long time now.

What I DO mind is the fact that it looks like SNKP won't even be developing the games now, and that Sammy will be running everything. That's utter and complete ass.

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"Re(4):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 03:27:

quote:
What I DO mind is the fact that it looks like SNKP won't even be developing the games now, and that Sammy will be running everything. That's utter and complete ass.

It only speaks of controlling rights over publishing the games in the arcade. It doesn't say who is going to develop them and I find it very hard to believe that SNK would just cut their game making people loose anyway even if Sammy had the groups to take over all of SNK's properties, which they don't. Think of it as a partnership as opposed to a merger.

I doubt SNK would go for another Azure like overlord after all the crap they went through with that. All this really means is we can finally kiss MVS good-bye... eventually, since KOF2k6 is confirmed for it. -_-

PS - Grabbed by the Ghoulies is actually fun. If the camera didn't suck, I'd buy it full price, but I'm waiting for it to drop to $20 instead.

[this message was edited by Ammadeau on Mon 19 Jan 03:29]

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"Re(1):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 07:19

MOTW 2's art is supreme ugliness !!!
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"Re(2):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 07:26

quote:
MOTW 2's art is supreme ugliness !!!
Terry = Conan (shwarznegger)

I thought it was an ugly fanart... And well, maybe it is.

Fuchikoma

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"Re(3):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 11:09

Yeah that's obviously not official art, it's fanart for the site.... but it's just Trieu's way of saying that MOTW 2 is coming. I couldn't think of a better game for them to make for Atomiswave... they can finally use full size sprites without being limited by the MVS.

Anyway the way I see the news is this isn't just publishing... Sammy isn't simply publishing KOF Sammy, they are MAKING the game. Basically Sammy bought the rights to SNKP's catalogue of arcade games... and from now on those game will be made by Sammy and not SNKP... who will now be doing Pachinko and console games.

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"Re(3):news is out.... SNKP out of arcades" , posted Mon 19 Jan 16:43

The key thing the article says seems to be

"from our sources, the tentative deal between SNK Playmore and Sammy is the sale of SNK Playmore's IP's (within the arcade sector) and NOT a merger."

I think he should have just posted the above a few days ago instead of posting a teaser followed by the long article later. This seems to be the only piece of information specified as having a source, which is supposedly someone at Sammy. The rest of the article lacks distinction of weather it comes from the Sammy source or is just the author talking.

If I ran Sammy I wouldn't be happy with insiders leaking merger and acquisition information to foreign video game distributors.

After the Aruze occurrence it seems uncharacteristic of SNK to give up even their arcade-only copyrights.

"It's possible (we don't know yet) SNK Playmore will continue it's MVS run with limited titles,"

" To Neo MVS/AES fans, there are a few titles that are confirmed to be released beyond what has been announced officially, but as to how much longer the MVS will run is beyond our knowledge and also dependent on the day to day/month to month situation of how "things" turn out."

In the article says SNK Playmore is getting hammered with the bootleg market.

"but at this point, unless they find a method of 100% copy protection for it's games (we know a company that can guarantee their games full copy protection for two years, but who's listening?)"

The author postures that he is has insider connections, but SNK won't network with him to get guaranteed copyright protection on all new games for two years? Hard to believe.

I see many people have come around to my point of view that Trieu... let's say he feigns more insiderdom than he actually has, and he should take a journalism class.

The article suggests Sammy is buying out the IPs of Sega, Capcom, and SNK, either directly or by taking over the company, for the purpose of vitalizing it's Atomiswave hardware which is not performing well, and becoming a bigger video game company. Sounds to me like a monster investment in which the Atomiswave would only be minorly important.

So..Sammy wants more video games; SNK wants more Pachinko?

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Gen

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"Re(4):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Mon 19 Jan 16:46

quote:
Just because a person has shares of a company, doesn´t mean they can do whatever they want with their products and characters.

What do you think it is like?

"Haha, i own 22% of Midway! Now i can do a Mortal Kombat where Sub-Zero fucks Sonya!"

Are you sure about this? From an article I read a while, Sammy owns a majority of Sega and is currently installing their own staff. They're also calling for Sega to start using the Atomiswave. Hell, Sammy is already working on a Pachinko game using Sonic. If this is a sign of something, I don't know what is.

Can you link to this article please?

Gen

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"Re(4):news is out.... MOTW fan art" , posted Mon 19 Jan 17:10:

Oh yeah, the MOTW fan art means nothing. We've known that MOTW2 will come for years now. What's gonna happen at some unspecified future time when it comes out? if you wrote the article, will you go "See I linked to a fan art of MOTW in this article, that means I had insider information that it was coming all out all along!" Hopefully no.

If Trieu really knows something new about MOTW relative to that article, he should say something like "According to SNK employee Hiden Janitoru, MOTW2 is half way through production right now and will run on Sammy's Atomiswave hardware. It is tentatively scheduled for a Summer release." Or some other statement of the facts he knows in English.

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[this message was edited by Gen on Mon 19 Jan 17:20]

Izek
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"Re(5):news is out.... MOTW fan art" , posted Mon 19 Jan 17:13

MOTW 2 is coming out on the MVS, Trieu said it himself.

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"Re(6):news is out.... MOTW fan art" , posted Mon 19 Jan 20:14

quote:
Trieu said it himself.

Good for him.

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Burning Ranger

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"Re(5):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Mon 19 Jan 20:34

quote:

Are you sure about this? From an article I read a while, Sammy owns a majority of Sega and is currently installing their own staff. They're also calling for Sega to start using the Atomiswave. Hell, Sammy is already working on a Pachinko game using Sonic. If this is a sign of something, I don't know what is.
Can you link to this article please?

To tell you the truth, if I remembered where the article was, I would link to it. Unfortunately, I just don't remember, since it was a while back. Sorry.

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"Re(6):Something Big Coming... SNKP + Sammy?" , posted Mon 19 Jan 20:37

I used to think this was a joke... but after reason events they might be serious http://www.savesega.com