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| Gen 2414th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):pre op"
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No. I like Poison.
Supposedly Poison started as a woman. Then for the U.S. Super Nintendo release of final fight someone thought it would be better to turn the women into men, as if it wasn't ok to beat up females. Even though they were gang members tring to kill you...I could go on.
Apparently it was after this that Capcom back pedaled and said oh, Poison is a new half, or whatever they call it.
So it was stupid when Capcom changed them into men, and stupid a second time when they after the fact changed her to a transexual.
No word on the other Final Fight characters that were turned into men though.
Errr, actually I read on this same board (Iggy's post, IIRC) that Poison was refered as a man from the beggining in the japanese media covering the game when it was new.
That's the way I heard it many times before - that it was ret-conned in response to the Super Nintendo game. This is the first time I've heard she was a designed a man from the begining, prior to the SNES game.
I still want to find the Capcom fan book that covers this.
In six months we will learn something else about Poison that isn't mentioned in this thread.
OK, prior to this thread I did hear about Poison being a guy, at least in an early stage as I state below. Though it had been explained on message boards before as I stated previously. But there's still lots of confusion that I refer to.
It's not specified that he had a sex change prior to Final Fight, is it? Tiamat's guide calls him a guy with tits... And Capcom mentions the sex change only later in reference to Final Fight R.
let's see
http://orochi.com/sffaq/characters.html
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Poison and Roxy in the planning stages of game were female. But a rep from Capcom USA told the developers in Japan that USA won't like guys hitting girls. So before the game came out, Poison and Roxy became new-halfs. Capcom of USA didn't realize this and thus changed Poison and Roxy to Billy and Sid, anyways. Methinks someones' got a communication problem, there...
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So Poison did start as a women in the planning stage. Then still in planning was changed to a man, only after Capcom U.S.A. came to them. Tiamat says they were new halfs before Final Fight came out. But there's more:
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Poison MIGHT have gotten a sex change for Final Fight Revenge and is now a girl and not a guy (All About Capcom states "Could he finally went and have gotten a sex change?" or something like that). As stated, Capcom of USA still didn't know that 'she' was a guy, so they made her a girl when they made Final Fight Revenge. Capcom of Japan seems to have decided to go with that, and officially state that she possibly got a sex change and became a full-fledged woman for Final Fight Revenge and beyond.
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Capcom U.S.A. didn't know that "she" was a guy, but Capcom Japan still didn't know if "he" had a sex change yet.
Even if they were new-halfs in Final Fight, they might have only been partial-new-halfs. Then in reguard to Poison at the time of FFR the question is asked, "Could he finally went and have gotten a sex change?" (or something like that) according to Capcom & Tiamat. Perhaps the final stages of the sex change weren't completed until later?
I still expect to learn something new about Poison in a few months.
We need a Poison shrine. (:
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| TiamatRoar 599th Post
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| "Re(2):pre op" , posted Mon 12 Jan 22:21
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I still expect to learn something new about Poison in a few months.
Here, I'll give you something... er, sorta 'new' right now!
Someone else from another message board recently went to work for Capcom on an undisclosed game. He asked everyone on that board what questions they wanted to ask Capcom, and of course, 90% of the people there said to ask if Poison was a guy or not :P
Anyways, he gave the same story that the guide has. That Poison was a girl in the design stages but before the design stages were finished, Capcom of America told them that beating on girls was bad and whatnot so they changed her to a new-half, then Capcom of America didn't realize that and changed "her" again into Billy and Sid for the US release. Well, anyways, the partially new thing is that the Capcom representative said that Poison is still officially a man, so I guess 'she' didn't get that sex change in Final Fight after all and Capcom of Japan is just being dodgy with Capcom of America regarding the issue (as usual, it seems).
(he asked the same guy who did the Darkstalkers sprite designs, by the way. That guy had a funny reaction when asked how he felt about Morrigan's sprite still being used all this time. Basically got embarassed, made an excuse to leave the conversation, and then left without answering the question :P)
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Gen 2414th Post
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| "Re(3):pre op" , posted Tue 13 Jan 00:55
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I still expect to learn something new about Poison in a few months.
Here, I'll give you something... er, sorta 'new' right now!
Someone else from another message board recently went to work for Capcom on an undisclosed game. He asked everyone on that board what questions they wanted to ask Capcom, and of course, 90% of the people there said to ask if Poison was a guy or not :P
Anyways, he gave the same story that the guide has. That Poison was a girl in the design stages but before the design stages were finished, Capcom of America told them that beating on girls was bad and whatnot so they changed her to a new-half, then Capcom of America didn't realize that and changed "her" again into Billy and Sid for the US release. Well, anyways, the partially new thing is that the Capcom representative said that Poison is still officially a man, so I guess 'she' didn't get that sex change in Final Fight after all and Capcom of Japan is just being dodgy with Capcom of America regarding the issue (as usual, it seems).
(he asked the same guy who did the Darkstalkers sprite designs, by the way. That guy had a funny reaction when asked how he felt about Morrigan's sprite still being used all this time. Basically got embarassed, made an excuse to leave the conversation, and then left without answering the question :P)
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| Sensenic 1047th Post
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| "MMCafe's educational section" , posted Tue 13 Jan 01:15
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I still expect to learn something new about Poison in a few months.
Here, I'll give you something... er, sorta 'new' right now!
Someone else from another message board recently went to work for Capcom on an undisclosed game. He asked everyone on that board what questions they wanted to ask Capcom, and of course, 90% of the people there said to ask if Poison was a guy or not :P
Anyways, he gave the same story that the guide has. That Poison was a girl in the design stages but before the design stages were finished, Capcom of America told them that beating on girls was bad and whatnot so they changed her to a new-half, then Capcom of America didn't realize that and changed "her" again into Billy and Sid for the US release. Well, anyways, the partially new thing is that the Capcom representative said that Poison is still officially a man, so I guess 'she' didn't get that sex change in Final Fight after all and Capcom of Japan is just being dodgy with Capcom of America regarding the issue (as usual, it seems).
(he asked the same guy who did the Darkstalkers sprite designs, by the way. That guy had a funny reaction when asked how he felt about Morrigan's sprite still being used all this time. Basically got embarassed, made an excuse to leave the conversation, and then left without answering the question :P)
I like learning things.
Me too. I also thought, like some people here, that he was a 'he' right from the beginning. Damn Capcom USA... ¬¬
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| iggy 2485th Post
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| "Re(2):pre op" , posted Tue 13 Jan 02:40
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As stated, Capcom of USA still didn't know that 'she' was a guy, so they made her a girl when they made Final Fight Revenge. Capcom of Japan seems to have decided to go with that, and officially state that she possibly got a sex change and became a full-fledged woman for Final Fight Revenge and beyond.
Capcom U.S.A. didn't know that "she" was a guy, but Capcom Japan still didn't know if "he" had a sex change yet.
That quote in AACapcom was clearly a joke about Capcom USA. They're not taking them seriously, it seems they didn't know Capcom USA made Poison and Cody be together, and they laughed a lot. (Final Fight Revenge is not canon, if only because of the reason why Cody went to prison is not the same as in SFZero3. It can become canon the next time we see Poison, though... His ending in CFAS? Well, for now, the last time we saw Poison, he was the manager of Hugo and didn't talk about Cody.)
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| Gen 2416th Post
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| "Re(3):pre op" , posted Tue 13 Jan 03:33:
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As stated, Capcom of USA still didn't know that 'she' was a guy, so they made her a girl when they made Final Fight Revenge. Capcom of Japan seems to have decided to go with that, and officially state that she possibly got a sex change and became a full-fledged woman for Final Fight Revenge and beyond.
Capcom U.S.A. didn't know that "she" was a guy, but Capcom Japan still didn't know if "he" had a sex change yet.
That quote in AACapcom was clearly a joke about Capcom USA. They're not taking them seriously, it seems they didn't know Capcom USA made Poison and Cody be together, and they laughed a lot. (Final Fight Revenge is not canon, if only because of the reason why Cody went to prison is not the same as in SFZero3. It can become canon the next time we see Poison, though... His ending in CFAS? Well, for now, the last time we saw Poison, he was the manager of Hugo and didn't talk about Cody.)
yes, it sounded like it could be a joke....
Perhaps it is Capcom Japan's fault for not telling Capcom U.S. that they changed Poison to a new half. Capcom U.S. may have thought their prior input about not beating up girls in the early 90s was ignored all the way up to Final Fight R.
Tiamat's guide http://orochi.com/sffaq/characters.html mentions quote:
a rep from Capcom USA told the developers in Japan that USA won't like guys hitting girls. So before the game came out, Poison and Roxy became new-halfs. Capcom of USA didn't realize this and thus changed Poison and Roxy to Billy and Sid, anyways.
Roxy
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| iggy 2500th Post
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| "Re(3):jesus" , posted Wed 14 Jan 15:52
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Anywho... in the SF3 Games Poison sounds a lot more feminine then she did in Final Fight so my guess is she did have the operation.
Unfortunately, AAC refers to her with an expression I can't explain well in english, but it's something like "she acts as a big sister (big brother?) to Hugo". look in Poison's definition in SF3 2nd Impact.
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Hey, you can still fantasize about Poison if you wish 'cuz Poison ain't real.
I'm not fantasizing about anything. Poison has a scenario, and I tend to stick to what japanese sources tell us about characters scenarios. You can also pretend that Bridget is a girl, that Eiji loves Mai or that Benimaru is gay since, hey, they're not real. But then why even bother having some interest on characters if you change every details you don't like.
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Now, if you fantasize about Dennis Rodman in a Dress you probably are in fact a homosexual. No offense to anyone's Sexual preference intended.
Unfortunately, you're not sounding homophobic as much as you're sounding a lobotomized monkey. But don't worry, you're also offensive as well.
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| Krzyzewski Man 539th Post
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| "Re(4):jesus" , posted Wed 14 Jan 16:59
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Hey, you can still fantasize about Poison if you wish 'cuz Poison ain't real.
I'm not fantasizing about anything. Poison has a scenario, and I tend to stick to what japanese sources tell us about characters scenarios. You can also pretend that Bridget is a girl, that Eiji loves Mai or that Benimaru is gay since, hey, they're not real. But then why even bother having some interest on characters if you change every details you don't like.
Yeah! I mean, Iggy doesn't try to un-gay Ash, he just burns with endless jealousy!
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Now, if you fantasize about Dennis Rodman in a Dress you probably are in fact a homosexual. No offense to anyone's Sexual preference intended.
Actually, if you fantasize about Dennis Rodman in a dress you are probably in fact a drooling psychotic. Dennis Rodman is an insult to everyone's sexual preference.
Capcom was smoking Amingo when they came up with him!
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| Sano 363th Post
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| "Re(5):jesus" , posted Thu 15 Jan 09:18:
To get this out of the way, my comments regarding Dennis Rodman was just me joking around and I even detracted it with saying I'm not offending anyone. If I still managed to offend I apologize.
Me, a Homphobe? I think the biggest problem on this Thread is Lobotomized Monkeyophobia. Were would we be as Video Game Players without Braindead Simeons? We all know that Donkey Kong is not playing with a full deck (If one barrell doesn't work against Mario, must you repeat the pattern a Million times?) and if it was not for him a lot of us would not be playing Video Games today. Why, a Lobotomized Monkey is even Presedent of the United States.
No, I'm not saying claim Poison as a Female for discussion purposes, but for Fantasyzing purposes. If I want to fantasize having Sex with Chun-Li I can do so without researching SF storyine to see if it's possible for her to step into the real world. I don't think many of us perform that kind of research prior to masturbation.
Well, I'll go with Poison not having the Operation then since Capcom of Japan is going along with that anyways.
And yes, the SF Plot Guide does get lots of info from Capcom Guide Books, but there's a Site at SRK where we constantly discuss SF and lots of other info on SF were much info from the Plot Guide does come about. (Currently Golden Dragon is dropping Tons of knowledge to be featured in the Plot Guide via translating Japanese Sites. Over there I Post as "sano" with the lower S.) Anyway, here's the link. It's gone over 2,000 Posts, and it's a continuation of a Thread that got wiped out that was about 1,200 Posts.
Link Here
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