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| DarkZero 563th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Ash KOF Ending question."
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One of my friends told me that the special ending for the Chizuru, Kyo, Iori team is that Ash Crimson is the villian of the game for this year, is there any truth to that? Does anyone know? And are my friends just being assholes because they wouldn't give me a straight answer?
Since the image is gone from the Chaos Uploader, I'll give you a basic synopsis of the Kyo/Iori/Chizuru ending:
Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru have a rather vague conversation. Ash appears out of nowhere, strikes Chizuru, and then steals her powers by removing a magic mirror from inside her chest. Iori gets pissed/homicidal, but Ash teleports behind him, talks about how Chizuru's new "role" is as nothing more than a contribution to his powers, and then threatens Iori with the same fate before making his exit. The last shot is Kyo holding Chizuru in his arms and clenching his free hand into a flaming fist.
Curiously, the very last shot says something like "THE END", and it's very flashy about it, too. I wonder if they're trying to point out that this is THE ending for the game and not some "What If?" ending like the "Chang and Choi are switched" ending or the endless Psycho Soldier "Dragon Power" endings?
And whether or not Ash is really evil is considered debatable. Granted, he was abusing KOF's main good guys, but he doesn't seem to be aligned with Mukai, Orochi, Adel, or anybody else, so SNKP could decide to make him an antihero like K' or a pseudo-hero like Iori. I still think they're making him a villain, but there's definitely some room for other possibilities there.
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| Syo
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| "Re(2):Ash KOF Ending question." , posted Sat 10 Jan 18:13
My thoughts on this seem to change every couple of minutes, I'm that intrigued by this ending. Currently, I'm thinking guessing that Ash realises that even though he was probably destined for some form of greatness with his Green Flames, he was too late to do anything great with them. The hell-bent-on-destruction God, Orochi has already been sealed off by Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru and the Evil Corporation, NESTS has pretty much been destroyed by K' and gang. There is absolutely nothing else for him to do that could prove his greatness. Here comes the classic plot twist, if there's no new threat for him to thwart, then how about creating/helping one threat along in time for him? So he gathers the Kagura Mirror this year, the seal of Orochi so he can be set free. Gather Iori's power (and maybe Kyo's too to be safe) to make certain he's up for the challenge. Then revive Orochi prematurely, and continue to defeat him, putting his name in the stone of history. Maybe?
Okay, while I was typing that out, a stray thought just entered my head. On Ash's bio, his nationality is unknown but he was brought up in France. Maybe he's of Japanese origin? It wouldn't be the first time. And maybe his family/clan's greatness was stolen by another clan like the Yagami and he just wants to revive his clan name to the world?
I'm gonna finish here before more thoughts get gathered up....
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| Sensenic 1042th Post
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| "Re(2):Ash KOF Ending question." , posted Sun 11 Jan 14:06
Ryo2k, if you want it, the dialog translation by Saiki is still available somewhere down this BBS.
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And whether or not Ash is really evil is considered debatable. Granted, he was abusing KOF's main good guys, but he doesn't seem to be aligned with Mukai, Orochi, Adel, or anybody else, so SNKP could decide to make him an antihero like K' or a pseudo-hero like Iori. I still think they're making him a villain, but there's definitely some room for other possibilities there.
Indeed. I also hope they make him a villain, he became quite more interesting to me (and I guess I can say to most of us in general) after seeing that ending. But he'll probably be anything else...
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| Sensenic 1045th Post
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| "Re(5):Ash KOF Ending question." , posted Mon 12 Jan 14:17
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Well, the game itself showed you plot line wise "something worst than Orochi & NESTS is rising"; and here we got Ash stealing powers with his evil facial expressions.... I can do a 1+1.
Be careful, because you might discover that 1 + 1 equals to 3. Or even pi. We're talking about KOF, after all... u_uU
I'd rather wait before doing my guessings. If anything take a look at the people in that big hand that appears after beating Mukai: One of them is Mukai him(it?)self, another one's that black haired girl, and about the rest.... hmmm.... Not to mention the big hand...
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Certainly the one thing that I wonder: if Ash will remain with his team... After all, did Sheng & Duolong knew about Ash evil schemes??
If their team ending is anything to go by, no. Shen runs off to become the strongest in the world, or something like that, and Duolon senses Ron/Long in the vicinity and runs off to catch him I guess. Ash then states that it's time to take care of the final part of his plan, or something very similar. One can assume that the Chizuru/Kyo/Iori ending takes place after that, if they were to both be account for.
Well, I've always guessed (unless the opposite is officially stated) that all of them except the ones that are obviously impossible (like SFA3 Evil Ryu's, example from Tiamat's FAQ) happen, only taking out/changing all that refers to that team being the winner.
As for this year's.... my guess is that these 2 happen as you say, in this way: while whoever won the KOF (maybe the new hero team) fights and beats Adel, Kyo, Iori and Chizuru go fight Orochi and Mukai and then Ash gets there and surprises everyone.
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| Sensenic 1053th Post
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| "Re(3):Teamsplitters 2" , posted Wed 14 Jan 00:24
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I donīt think KOF is one of those games where every ending counts. Some info here and there, sure. But everything?
They have one official ending and thatīs it, i think.
In most cases endings do occur exept on the part of "they won KoF"; for example in 95' Iori's ending after beating Kyo & watching Rugals go bonkers he beat the living crap out of Eiji & Billy. In 96' only the "beat the crap out" happened beause we knew who had won.
If you put your mind to it almost every ending happens except for the "they won the KoF" thing... You can only tell who won the tournament until next year; for example in both 96' & 99' you could think that the hero team won but in 96' it was the "heavenly wepons" (yata + yasakani + kusanagi) and in 99 it was Kyo who had finally beated Krizalid when K' and Maxima wheren't getting good results.
I agree with you, mostly. But, I disagree about one thing, that I've been wanting to comment for a while: You talk about "winning team of the tournament" as the one whose ending is the official one. But I think it doesn't necessarily have to be this way.
In the case of '99, for example, I'd say that K''s team WON the tournament, the KOF title, the official event, don't know how to say it. They just didn't beat Krizalid himself, but I think we can usually consider final boss fights as combats already out of the tournament itself (Which is usually the "method" used by the Boss/Organizer to select the best team to fight against him/her or similar).
Another case would be '96. It's official that Kyo, Iori and Chizuru beat Goenitz, but that didn't make them the official winners. Why would Kyo, Iori and the organizer herself join the tournament as a team, fight and win it? I'd rather think that someone else won the tournament(I assume Japan Team) and beat Chizuru, but THEN, Goenitz appeared, somehow beat the crap out of Daimon and Benimaru and left Chizuru, Kyo and Iori, who happened to be there, probably after Kyo, to fight him. No? At least it sounds more logical this way to me.
And, yes, of course I know this all means nothing if someone says SNK officially stated the opposite.
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| trufenix
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| "Re(10):Teamsplitters 2" , posted Thu 15 Jan 07:41
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They shouldnīt fight the main boss period. They should only fight their designated boss, and in their ending, it should be clear wether tghey are the winners of the tournament or not.
Yeah, but even in SFA2, that still means 75% of the cast fights the same person at the end, and only one of them can actually have fought and beaten him so it doesn't work.
You have to take in consideration the number of chars in a fighter who are just there for gameplay or fluff, not the story. KoF is full of them.
Someone has to be the loser in the story line scheme of things, but you can't see an ending unless you win, so do you have a player fight 8 bouts, win every one and then have to watch a cinema that says they got owned after the second? or should we only have them fight two bouts, and the third team cannot be beaten? or what?
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| Luisinan 685th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Teamsplitters 2" , posted Thu 15 Jan 08:51
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They shouldnīt fight the main boss period. They should only fight their designated boss, and in their ending, it should be clear wether tghey are the winners of the tournament or not.
Yeah, but even in SFA2, that still means 75% of the cast fights the same person at the end, and only one of them can actually have fought and beaten him so it doesn't work.
You have to take in consideration the number of chars in a fighter who are just there for gameplay or fluff, not the story. KoF is full of them.
Someone has to be the loser in the story line scheme of things, but you can't see an ending unless you win, so do you have a player fight 8 bouts, win every one and then have to watch a cinema that says they got owned after the second? or should we only have them fight two bouts, and the third team cannot be beaten? or what?
-F.
I disagree. In the SFA2 example, every character can have a unique end boss and if they don't, it still doesn't destroy the 'cannonicity' of the endings. For example, Ryu is Sagat and Sakura's end boss. In both of their endings, they defeat Ryu. But Sagat doubts his victory over Ryu and starts to question his quest for vengence. Sakura asks Ryu to be his teacher but he declines. The two endings don't contradict each other. In the SFA2 storyline, they could both exist, just at different times.
When you have a fighting game with no tournament or a very loose / unofficial tournament like any Street Fighter game, then multiple endings with unique end bosses are easy to make. The problem with KOF of course is that it's a tournament.
And basically, SNKP just needs to make endings that clearly state who won and who did what. And in KOF, there are 3 types of endings. Non-hero endings, KOF victor endings and game storyline endings. Take KOF 96 for example. The Hero Team won the tourney, but it was the God's Calibur team that beat Goenitz. The rest of the teams 'won' the tourney in their endings. So the problem is how to determine who won KOF.
And the solution to that is: if you are the hero team for that year, you won KOF.
ha.
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| Sensenic 1062th Post
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| "Guess the winners" , posted Thu 15 Jan 14:20
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Anyone bothered to check what the japanese version said? The chances for it to be some crappy engrish adaptation are as high as ever.
I'd bother, should I know Japanese. I know, and always keep in mind, it all can be an Engrish translation/censoring work.... Meh... u_u
I was just asking because I didn't recall that phrase in particular, that's all folks.
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According to Toxico, it's officially stated that Iori's team won in '95.
Hey, wait, what I said or more importantly what I mean is that WHEN YOU FINISH THE GAME WITH IORI'S TEAM you get the "Iori won, beat you to bloody pulp"; but when we get to 96' we get "Kyo won but Ioti still beat you to bloody pulp" thing.
I was trying to show how endings are 'cannon' just in part, they are cannon on everything exept on 'they won kof'.... Then again I have been posting a whole bunch of nonsense lately >_<
I know, I know, but you've mentioned it's official before, somewhere else. Or, at least, so I recall. ^_^'
Anyway I agree with you about that "cannon without 'they won KOF' endings" part.
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What are the teams/people that won KOF since '94? I don't know them all. I assume Kyo's team won in 94, Iori's in 95, and from 96 it gets a little confusing since I'm sure Goenitz and Orochi wasn't really part of the tournaments.
Yup, this makes a cute little (prize-less ^_^') contest... Guess the winners of each KOF:
Mine: Japan, USA (I'd have said Japan, but it seems it was USA), Japan, Japan, -take a breath-, Hero, Hero, Hero, -another breath-, don't know enough, but probably Ash's.
Ain't I original?
"Kensu" & "Asina" such a nice couple.
Damn boredom that can kill you with a sword!
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