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OmegaDog

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"Some awesome gfx demos, all from 64 Kbytes" , posted Thu 8 Jan 20:21

.the .product will make you happy

Three of those demos were created for 64kb demo competitions. Everything you see and hear stems from those <64 kbytes.

[fr08 and fr19 worked well on my comp (P4m 1.7Ghz, 256MB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 7500C 16MB), though fr30 didn't seem to render properly, and fr25 quit instantly after resolution change.]

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kyo717
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"Re(1):Some awesome gfx demos, all from 64 Kby" , posted Thu 8 Jan 23:29

quote:
.the .product will make you happy

Three of those demos were created for 64kb demo competitions. Everything you see and hear stems from those <64 kbytes.

[fr08 and fr19 worked well on my comp (P4m 1.7Ghz, 256MB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 7500C 16MB), though fr30 didn't seem to render properly, and fr25 quit instantly after resolution change.]

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Saw this on another forum. Pretty insane and long movie for 64kb. Even had music.

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 03:49

how is this possible

explain

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OmegaDog

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"Re(1):wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 07:54

quote:
how is this possible

explain

The site and the end of fr08 explain it -- but the basic gist is, instead of trying to compress textures, sound, and whatnot into a 64kb file, the file generates most everything. I would imagine the instructions and text are compressed though, from the note at the end of fr08 that mentions that "ascii packs really well."

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Sklathill
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"Re(2):wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 08:00

Ah...the demo scene. How I miss the glory days. Sure, there's still some cool stuff now, but I miss faked out, whacked out graphics modes, 4 channel mods, seeing effects that honestly were better technical feats than what were in the day's games. First level of descent in 4k, with music... all those fun 3d sin/cos plasmas... all the 2d fakery...

Maybe I should watch 303... even if it DOES destory my computer randomly on exit.

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Juke Joint Jezebel

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"Re(2):wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 12:59

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The site and the end of fr08 explain it -- but the basic gist is, instead of trying to compress textures, sound, and whatnot into a 64kb file, the file generates most everything.

i read that but i still don't understand it. i can't even begin to comprehend how these guys fit all that media into such a small file. it's as if they discovered cold fusion or something

then again, i've seen impressive flash movies that are only a few kbs. i guess that works on the same level

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"Re(1):Some awesome gfx demos, all from 64 Kby" , posted Fri 9 Jan 18:41

They used a UPX packer to compress the exe file. You can use this to compress almost any exe file, but the cons are it's takes some extra time to uncompress larger files? Well, at least that's what I remember from my Comp Science days :)

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Kaepora

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"Re:wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 20:49

quote:

i read that but i still don't understand it. i can't even begin to comprehend how these guys fit all that media into such a small file. it's as if they discovered cold fusion or something

then again, i've seen impressive flash movies that are only a few kbs. i guess that works on the same level

I remember showing one of them (fr08) to a friend of mine and he said it was done along the lines of a MIDI file; the file is just a set of instructions that call on already-existing processes and libraries that are part of DirectX.

So the textures, the structures, the musical tones - they're already documented instructions that DirectX can do by itself. All this executable does is say "use this, then use this, then put that over here" instead of defining all the instruments and containing the textures from scratch.

I should say that I don't know anything about the stuff personally, but the file has been in one of my shared directories for the last year-and-a-half because I thought it was pretty neat.

Gojira

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"Re(1):Re:wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 21:54

Gaddamn, it goes on forever! That's really nice though. Must have taken a while to put together, even if the end result is only 64K. I wish certain GAME companies would put that much effort into compression techniques...

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I remember showing one of them (fr08) to a friend of mine and he said it was done along the lines of a MIDI file; the file is just a set of instructions that call on already-existing processes and libraries that are part of DirectX.

So the textures, the structures, the musical tones - they're already documented instructions that DirectX can do by itself. All this executable does is say "use this, then use this, then put that over here" instead of defining all the instruments and containing the textures from scratch.

I should say that I don't know anything about the stuff personally, but the file has been in one of my shared directories for the last year-and-a-half because I thought it was pretty neat.

I don't know about that, but I do notice a couple of things...

There's definitely some heavy-duty compression going on in the text. My guess is that by limiting the text data to lower case letters and a few symbols they compress it more than regular text using the full ASCII table.

Also the music is all analog waves, which is kind of like raw sound data. It's very small, even smaller than your typical MIDI because there is no instrument, volume, sysex, portamento, etc. Just a lot of trigonometry.

Amakusa

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"Re(2):Re:wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" , posted Fri 9 Jan 23:04

quote:

Also the music is all analog waves, which is kind of like raw sound data. It's very small, even smaller than your typical MIDI because there is no instrument, volume, sysex, portamento, etc. Just a lot of trigonometry.

Generating your own sounds has a nifty flair to it.

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"Re(2):Some awesome gfx demos, all from 64 Kby" , posted Sat 10 Jan 14:27

aha. thanks for the explanations. i was wondering if the thing would still work had DirectX not been installed, but it never occurred to me that that was the fuel to all the pretty, pretty eye candy

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LenaShock
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"Re(3):Some awesome gfx demos, all from 64 Kby" , posted Sat 10 Jan 18:33

there's a lot of these demos in scene.org.
and.... errrrr.... there's a very good movie to who played GTA sometimes.... just search about otherside or grand theft in the assembly 2003 part...

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