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| KaiketsuZubat
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|  "Anime News Network St. Seiya review"
, posted Sat 27 Dec 22:00
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/reviews/display.php?id=552
My intent on posting this is not to stir up flames or anything like that, actually with as many older anime fans there are on this board, I think there's prolly a chance for a good discussion, seeing how everyone for the most part can be extremely civil, even when it comes to very different opinions.
I dunno, I mean I personally am not "into" the current wave of anime, I haven't seen many of the newer things, unless you cout Shin Hokuto No Ken or other remake type stuff, to me, this reviewer seems.. well I dunno, I mean this is the only review I've read from this person, and first impressions they seem rather elitist.
Honestly reviews like this should be researched.. it would be like what a lot of people do in reviewing or commenting on Hokuto No Ken, basing their views on the first 36 or so episodes Manga has brought to the states, which in themselves aren't very well done, even I as a HNK fan admits that. Sadly the later episodes seem to be forever stuck in Japan or available on bootleg DVD.. but anyways, to get back to the subject, it just seems like they gave it a "It's old, so automatically it's crap" type of review..
Anyways, I've kinda gone on long enough, but I just thought the Seiya fans here would want to get a good look/laugh at this review.
"Waga shougai ni ippen no kuinashi!"
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| KaiketsuZubat
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| "Re(2):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sat 27 Dec 22:59
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I did see the review, but what can we do? Anime in the U.S. has become so mainstream that any person thinks that they know enough to make a review without even knowing what are they supposed to make a review about. What if Saint Seiya is old? It certainly was a good anime back them, and it is still a good one even on today's standards storywise (there is not much that can be done about 17 year old animation).
The most disgusting thing in the review is that the reviewer states that the full series is about a tournament. Not even half a season. This is the kind of review that make me wish anime never became a fad.
As a friend once said:
Mainstream == Lowest Common Denominator.
There is no way I can say it better.
Agreed, I mean I don't intend to make reviewers like this dissapear, I mean that's A. Impossible, and B. against free speech. But I'm glad someone replied to my post, I kinda don't post much and I'd like to try to get into discussions here ^^
It is rather unfortunate that we get reviews like this, I think there's a lot of people on this board that can make extremely intellegent reviews about games/anime/manga, etc. and that's why I come here.. I mean yeah we get our spatterings of goofy "Oh this capcom or SNK or whatever game is crap because of this little detail" etc. but really, even those reviews end up having great discussion material, and minimal, if any flames. This board is an oasis really, and it makes me glad to visit here every time, there has never been a time where I just want to stop reading this board or page.
"Waga shougai ni ippen no kuinashi!"
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| KaiketsuZubat
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| "Re(4):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sat 27 Dec 23:48
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I honestly couldn't give Saint Seiya a totally positive review myself, even as a fan. Still...this guy is way off by saying the art and animation are bad. Rating the animation as "F" is absurd. In comparison to most TV animation on the market, Saint Seiya hardly falls at the end of the spectrum. Furthermore, rather you like the art or not, the art quality on the show is also consistently good.
Another thing that people tend to forget when reviewing old pieces of work is that the stereotypes presented in the show very well may have been STARTED by that very show.
Very true! and see, the thing about reviewers like that is that they prolly think all the anime they are watching, all the recent stuff is completely new and fresh... It's kind of sad in a way, I mean I give props to people who know bout anime that's come out well before 1990.. and especially whne it's stuff that's not released here. I mean come on, ask a few anime fans if they know about shows like Sakigake! Otokojuku or those fun little shows like Wataru or Granzort..
Anyways, yes I guess I am coming off as elitist myself, but really, I don't have a dislike for anime fans that like the recent stuff unless they just display such a large amount of ignorance.. then it just gets irritating ^^;
"Waga shougai ni ippen no kuinashi!"
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| DarkZero 549th Post
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| "Re(5):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 02:06
The people here have been down this road with this reviewer before. In short, he's an elitist. If something is liked by a small, but enthusiastic fanbase, he feels the need to mock them, much in the same way your average, everyday elitist mocks anything that comes over the television or radio airwaves. He's a geek pointing and laughing at geeks. He's the pot calling the kettle "loser".
And regardless of any specific part of Saint Seiya that might be relevant, I think the problem here really just comes down to the fact that its author committed the mortal sin of anime reviews:
Based on these first five episodes (and after hunting around for plot synopses of the rest of the series), the entire show is one long tournament battle.
Most anime reviews either don't talk about the future of the show ("This seems like an interesting plot thread, but we'll see how it shapes up in the future...") or actually find some way to watch the episodes before reviewing them. This is because A) we could all search for those episode synopses ourselves, and B) the review is supposed to be based on the reviewer's reaction to the show, not the reviewer's reaction to some other guy's reaction to it. Reviewing the first DVD for an anime series isn't so much like reviewing a movie as it is reviewing a serial novel. It's like pulling out the first three chapters of The Island of Dr. Moreau and trying to tell people whether you like the story before it's even started off, let alone gotten to its first plot twist. Most anime reviewers understand this and either take a hands-off approach to the plot or find a way to jump ahead and see more of the story. This guy just half-asses the job, tosses in some elitism for spice, and ends up making fairly excellent news site look like a half-assed, ignorant review site.
And just like last time, we don't have to look far to find another review that's just as pathetic as this one. Here's the first one I clicked on: DBZ Movie 8: Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan. Instead of turning the review over to someone that has actually watched the show and can review the movie properly, ANN lets this reviewer toss together another half-assed review. He has no idea who the characters are, he assumes that Broly is a thrown-together villain instead of a character that was mentioned repeatedly over the course of the show, he's actually confused by a DBZ movie... but hey, that's no reason to pass it off to someone else! We can just throw together some long-winded crap that basically boils down to "I'm confused by simple things" and then cover the mess with a cliche or two about it being wrong for children to ever watch TV.
And now for my question: Why do so many people treat this as a big deal? I love tearing apart stupid crap, so we all know why I'm participating in this thread, but what about everyone else? This is the third or fourth thread about an ANN review saying this or that stupid crap. Have they become the anime news site now? Back when I was deeper into "the scene" (for lack of a better word) and didn't immediately know what sort of anime I wanted, several sites shared as a roughly equal stature in the anime community, namely ANN, Anime News Service, Scott Green's old news site, and Anime on DVD. Did ANN break away from the pack and become an institution or something?
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| Lord Dragon 643th Post
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| "Re(7):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 07:30
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The story for Saint Seiya, which spans over one hundred episodes (and a series of OVAs), is fairly basic. You have your average shonen warrior hero, who in the first episode is revealed to have been a weakling child. Obviously, now that he’s the star of an action series, he’s the underdog badass, taking down an entire army of mindless grunts on his quest to obtain…
What do you know about Saint Seiya's storyline!!? It's not only about the main character Seiya, why did you forget Shiryu, Hyogua, Shun and Ikki!! they are included as the heroes of the show not only Seiya, true the name is Saint Seiya but there are alot of heroes outta there besides Seiya... What in the Heck Seiya want to obtain!! Let me tell you that he was separated from his sister Seika, so that's why he entered the tournament so maybe Seika can watch him!! But what happens after Ikki steals the Gold Cloth!!? Is he still looking for his sister or he is looking for Ikki to get back this cloth!! Then again a new story born and it's about Athena and other Greek Supreme beings!! then don't forget the cool fights against the Gold Saints so to take Athena to the place she should be... Then again we have the Asgard's chapter! It's not about obtaining or just a tournament as you said!! Not to forget the Poseidon's chapter... So I think you should go deeper in the story so you might change your opinion or at least learn some facts...
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unbelievably ugly character designs (who all seem to have the same haircut),
I totally disagree with you... It seems you really don't know the characters well!! So we have Seiya, Shiryu, Hyoga, Shun, Mu, Aldebran, Saga, Death Mask, Shura, Camus, Mime, Siegfried, Bado, Sorento...etc they all have different look and different design even different hair style...
Well there are many things I disagree with this guy or let me say I totally disagree with him but maybe I agree with him about the English dub or else the anime has really a cool story-line if not then thousnads and thousnads of Saint Seiya's fans around the world (Japan, France, Spain, Brazil, Italia...etc) are not going to discuss this basic storyline as he said... If most of the characters have the same design and same look or as he said ugly designs then the people around the world wont cosplay each one of them, they one create threads and threads about each one of them, I know alot of people and each one of them use a different character name such as Saga or Ikki or whatever and if you need any proofs you just try to surf around the French's forums or Sapnish's forums or even some English's forums... As for the musics, well if it was really bad I don't think Toei would release 5 or so CD soundtracks, well there are more than 150 music in the anime and I really like most of them, there is the rock and slow and sad tunes as well so hearing the music sucks it's really weird if you ask me... As for the animations and the art well I agree there are alot of animes that have better animations and arts but yet this one is not that bad, not to forget all the people who are really a big fans of Shingo Araki's artworks or else they wont support and would say Lady Oscar's artworks are really very good same goes for Saint Seiya, remember there are alot of people who prefers the old style drawing not the new CG's graphics and arts... Saint Seiya is really a very cool anime, I know maybe there are few around here but I already know there are millions of fans around there and I am happy they share the same opinion as mine about the anime...
Iggy:
I already know that, there is no need for someone to remind me... Jane~
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| iggy 2367th Post
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| "Re(8):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 07:45
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I already know that, there is no need for someone to remind me... Jane~
Then maybe I should remind you that when you answer to someone, even in the magical world of the Internet, you have to do it in a place where that person can read your answer. Which means, not here, because even if that person reads this forum, which I doubt, you shouldn't answer something you read on a site elsewhere. If you were able to click on the link and read the review, then I bet you are able to search this crappy site for a forum, where the guy will be able to read it and you will have a joyfull discution about it filled with kamiyowatashiwautsukushii's.
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| Lord Dragon 644th Post
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| "Re(9):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 08:12
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Then maybe I should remind you that when you answer to someone, even in the magical world of the Internet, you have to do it in a place where that person can read your answer. Which means, not here, because even if that person reads this forum, which I doubt, you shouldn't answer something you read on a site elsewhere. If you were able to click on the link and read the review, then I bet you are able to search this crappy site for a forum, where the guy will be able to read it and you will have a joyfull discution about it filled with kamiyowatashiwautsukushii's.
Well I was just trying to express my opinion, it's my weird way of posting, is there anything wrong! Oh yeah there are many things! That's your problem!? Oh yeah it's your damned problem! Just vanish :D well sometimes I really wish to act weird why!? I really don't why!? anyway, If I have the time I will think about it... Tomoyo ;)
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| KaiketsuZubat
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| "Re(6):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 10:40
And now for my question: Why do so many people treat this as a big deal? I love tearing apart stupid crap, so we all know why I'm participating in this thread, but what about everyone else? This is the third or fourth thread about an ANN review saying this or that stupid crap. Have they become the anime news site now? Back when I was deeper into "the scene" (for lack of a better word) and didn't immediately know what sort of anime I wanted, several sites shared as a roughly equal stature in the anime community, namely ANN, Anime News Service, Scott Green's old news site, and Anime on DVD. Did ANN break away from the pack and become an institution or something?
Ahah, well I didn't intend to make ANS look like an "institute" if it's an institute, it's one of ignorance really. But again, even by posting the thread I get very intellegent points of view from everyone that replies, which was my intent.
On a related note, was this the same "reviewer" that did a review of Newtype USA when it first came out?
"Waga shougai ni ippen no kuinashi!"
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| Just a Person 615th Post
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| "Re(1):Anime News Network St. Seiya review" , posted Sun 28 Dec 16:55
Actually, the Saint Saiya animê chapters are being shown again in Brazil (via Cartoon Network), and when I saw the first chapters, it indeed looked quite bloody and old. HOWEVER, when you keep watching it over the weeks, you get used to the old animation (I almost forgot it was old!), and you see a great plot in it, where the end of each saga leads to a next one (except for the Gold Saints/Asgard). Sure, it isn't the best animê I've ever seen, but it's certainly on my Top 10...
(btw, Lord Dragon, since you're such a fan of Saint Seiya, could I ask you some doubts I have about it later? Since now, thanks for your attention!!).
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| iggy 2376th Post
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| "Re(1):Oro?" , posted Mon 29 Dec 02:29
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... I'm sure they will censor the famous "Kamiyo! Watashi wa utsukushii!"
Translation please?
It's from the hyper famous scene in episode 24 if I remember well, the most funny quote of the whole show :
Misty, after killing Seya (or so he thinks), gets naked on the beach and washes in the sea, saying things about how he is beautifull and how he is the most beautifull man in the world, and he finishes by saying "Gods! look how beautifull I am!"
Oh, and about Misty, his training place was Saint tropez in France. I mean, some people need to go train in volcanoes or in Sibery to get crappy bronze armor, when you only have to go to Saint Tropez and stay all day on the beach with assholes to get a silver armor.
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| Makondo99
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| "Re(2):Oro?" , posted Mon 29 Dec 16:29
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It's from the hyper famous scene in episode 24 if I remember well, the most funny quote of the whole show :
Misty, after killing Seya (or so he thinks), gets naked on the beach and washes in the sea, saying things about how he is beautifull and how he is the most beautifull man in the world, and he finishes by saying "Gods! look how beautifull I am!"
Oh, and about Misty, his training place was Saint tropez in France. I mean, some people need to go train in volcanoes or in Sibery to get crappy bronze armor, when you only have to go to Saint Tropez and stay all day on the beach with assholes to get a silver armor.
OK, thanks for your answer Iggy
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