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| Siegfried 320th Post
 
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|  "Quick impressions of HSF2T"
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I just got an English test version of HSF2T...
Guess if Capcom bothered to include the updated canon endings from SSF2TR?
Guess again. Hello, it's CAPCOM.
Same old fucking "we were lovers Cammy" foolery going on. I haven't bothered to play with anyone other than Chun-Li and Cammy but I doubt anyone else got a new ending. And with the ultra cheap SF2 AI that we hate and hate, playing the game just isn't fun anymore.
Playing SF2 Ryu vs SSF2T and seeing the exact same sprites, minus a few new Turbo frames that look more like Alpha sprites, gets old very quickly. Oh whee, it has the butt-ugly SF2 portraits under the life bar.
One more game to take off the "buy" list (if I hadn't gotten it for review, I might have bought it). Oh, and the test version doesn't have the interactive animated movie feature so I can't even spend some time with that.
If you're a big Capcom fan, you already have these games. Don't let those idiots screw you backwards again.
This game could have been so much fun. They could have added Alpha sprites and backgrounds on the old engine. Or they could have actually made SF2 versions of the bosses and New Challengers, complete with butt-ugly portraits. Well, I guess I should be happy that the PAL version actually allows 60 hz. They could have gone for old school 1/3 of the screen gameplay...
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| IkariDC
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| "Re(1):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 08:27
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I just got an English test version of HSF2T...
Guess if Capcom bothered to include the updated canon endings from SSF2TR?
Guess again. Hello, it's CAPCOM.
Same old fucking "we were lovers Cammy" foolery going on. I haven't bothered to play with anyone other than Chun-Li and Cammy but I doubt anyone else got a new ending. And with the ultra cheap SF2 AI that we hate and hate, playing the game just isn't fun anymore.
Playing SF2 Ryu vs SSF2T and seeing the exact same sprites, minus a few new Turbo frames that look more like Alpha sprites, gets old very quickly. Oh whee, it has the butt-ugly SF2 portraits under the life bar.
One more game to take off the "buy" list (if I hadn't gotten it for review, I might have bought it). Oh, and the test version doesn't have the interactive animated movie feature so I can't even spend some time with that.
If you're a big Capcom fan, you already have these games. Don't let those idiots screw you backwards again.
This game could have been so much fun. They could have added Alpha sprites and backgrounds on the old engine. Or they could have actually made SF2 versions of the bosses and New Challengers, complete with butt-ugly portraits. Well, I guess I should be happy that the PAL version actually allows 60 hz. They could have gone for old school 1/3 of the screen gameplay...
A PAL version is coming out? They are fast when they want to... It's a great thing that it allows 60 Hz. Well, if it is released at a reasonable price, I may get it.
What about the music, is it the original sound of the arcade or arranged? That's the least they could have done. I own the PC version of SSF2T on CD, they say it's a crappy conversion but it has an awesome arranged soundtrack in redbook audio.
I feel curious about the SF2 History DVD that comes with the special anniversary edition of the game.
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| Siegfried 321th Post
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| "Re(3):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 09:55
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Well, I didn't plan on buying the game, but I probably would have rented it. Thanks for the heads up though. Now, about that arranged soundtrack, is it in there? Somehow I doubt it.
Actually, there is an arranged soundtrack. I haven't played the PC version in quite some time, but I don't think it's the same. But obviously, it's not the Tribute Album released recently, just a crappy Redbook rearrangement that mostly sounds the same or worse. Apart from that, you can select CPS1 or CPS2 soundtracks (from SF2- and SSF2- I guess).
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| talbaineric 5678th Post
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| "Re(8):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 11:46
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My point is both companies are lazy, people just focus on Capcom. (re-using MVS is EQUALLY as lazy.) Capcom is a business and any business that can get away with being lazy will do so. When Capcom's not lazy, creates new sprites and everything and creates the greatest fighting game ever in SF3 Third Strike, what happens? SFZ3 using old Sprites and old characters outsells it. Bottom line, Capcom will never go bankrupt like SNK did.
I agree with with Sano said in his posts. Everyone always used to say Capcom was the lazy one,and everyone would agree,but like Sano said,someone speaks badly about SNK,they get ripped to shit. I don't get it either.
Heh,I won't go further,though. It's like a win-loss arguement here.
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| Luisinan 642th Post
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| "Re(8):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 12:20:
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My point is both companies are lazy, people just focus on Capcom. (re-using MVS is EQUALLY as lazy.) Capcom is a business and any business that can get away with being lazy will do so. When Capcom's not lazy, creates new sprites and everything and creates the greatest fighting game ever in SF3 Third Strike, what happens? SFZ3 using old Sprites and old characters outsells it. Bottom line, Capcom will never go bankrupt like SNK did.
Hrm. Right now, I have much, much, much greater regard for SNK then Capcom. This is because SNK has consistently been busting out new fighters and has subsequently been porting them out to the DC and PS2 on a timely basis. They are even doing reissues of older fighters.
The complaint about the MVS is getting old. Sammy, Capcom, and SNK are all 'guilty' of reusing sprites.
Yes, SNK should move away from the MVS. But hey, if I had a choice between MVS KOF 2K3 or HSF2T, I would pick MVS KOF 2K3.
I don't get your point Sano? Are you just tired of people bashing Capcom? Well, what has Capcom done after CvS2? Nothing. CVS2 came out two years ago. SNK died and resurfaced in that time.
Capcom would prefer to license their characters to Sammy then actually make a new fighter. That's kinda funny. But at least they are letting Sammy do something with their icons.
There's no point to listening to people who mindlessly bash. But really, whats better:
MVS KOF 2K3 or HSF2T?
(I hope next weeks Arcadia has Sammy vs Capcom.)
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| Dr Baghead 2686th Post
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| "Re(9):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 12:51
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I agree with with Sano said in his posts. Everyone always used to say Capcom was the lazy one,and everyone would agree,but like Sano said,someone speaks badly about SNK,they get ripped to shit. I don't get it either.
I'm not going to say SNK isn't lazy... but at least they try.
The MVS arguement should be ignored since Capcom has been on the CPS2 for a super long ass time as well (sure they have the CPS3, but that lasted as long as the NeoGeo64, and when they moved to the Naomi board it's not like they reinvented the wheel either) So both are equally lazy in that respect.
But SNK at least writes stories for every game they make. While Capcom shoves as many reused sprites as possible into a VS. game and leaves it at that, SNK shoves as many used sprites as possible into a KoF game and tries to have some form of a storyline...
So basically I have no point, I just wanted to post. (and that's not supposed to be some kind of attack on anyone, I just forgot what I was saying and I'm posting anyway!)
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| Sano 324th Post
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| "Yes, Capcom Bashing has to stop." , posted Wed 24 Dec 13:10:
Yes, I am getting tired of Capcom Bashing.
The only reason Capcom hasn't made fighters for 2 years is because Funamizu wanted to take a break from them. Capcom overflooded the Market with Fighters thus hurting them Financially. SNK lives solely on Fighters so they do not have this option.
Sammy vs. Capcom is being made jointly by Capcom and Sammy. This was announced when the game was announced.
And Capcom did try to make an all new Fighting Game this year, but people bashed it after only seeing a less than 18% unfinished Beta. That game was CFAS. Capcom got the message loud and clear. No one wants anything new or different hence we are getting yet another rehash of SF2.
Look at it from Capcom's perspective. People tell Capcom to stop rehashing SF2. They do just that and what are their biggest Fighting Game successes? SFZ3, CVS1 and CVS2 - all games that include the original cast of SF2. Hence, this rehash. It may not be perfect, but it is in fact a rehash. Would you rather they waist time remaking SF2 with CPS3 Sprites rather than stop working on their upcoming five (yes, five from a company that no longer soley depends on Fighting games) Fighting Games?
Sammy vs. Capcom - Once again, being made JOINTLY by both Companies. FOR CHRISTS SAKE WHY THE HELL ELSE WOULD FUNAMIZU OF ALL PEOPLE BE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE SAYING HE WANTED DARKSTALKERS IN THE GAME? This is Fact.
Onimusha Buraiden
A Cell Shaded Fighter news is slowly starting to surface on
Another Fighter no one knows anything about
Street Fighter 4 - Officially announced for 2007 in Japan and 2008 for the U.S.
The above info comes from TAS over at SRK who has connections to Capcom of Japan. He has proven himself to me time and again so I'm not willing to argue how reliable he is as a source.
Not to mention, there are Games Capcom is considering making but has shelved for now due to most of the original creators of these Games have left Capcom, but who knows.
Powerstone 3
Vampire Soldier (Darkstalkers 3)
Rival Schools 3
Marvel vs. DC - Capcom wants to make this game (Yes, they still have the rights to the Marvel Characters) but is having trouble getting the rights to DC characters, so this project is shelved and they opted to make (once again, JOINTLY with Sammy) Sammy vs. Capcom. After this, they wanted to follow it up with Capcom vs. the Comics industry (Marvel vs. DC vs. Capcom) but it rests on DC giving up the rights right now.
And, if you want to know what Capcom Fighters they will never make -
Marvel vs. Capcom 3
Capcom vs. SNK 3
Street Fighter Alpha 4
Another Street Fighter 3
They have said those Series' are finished and they've done all they can do with them.
In short, of course SNK will produce new fighters every year because that is where they make all of their money and if you think Metal Slug can carry the entire company you are sadly mistaken. Capcom makes more money nowadays with Resident Evil and other 3D Games so of course they'll make more of those than Fighters, but we are still getting Fighters from Capcom.
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| Sano 324th Post
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| "Re(10):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 13:24:
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I'm not going to say SNK isn't lazy... but at least they try.
The MVS arguement should be ignored since Capcom has been on the CPS2 for a super long ass time as well (sure they have the CPS3, but that lasted as long as the NeoGeo64, and when they moved to the Naomi board it's not like they reinvented the wheel either) So both are equally lazy in that respect.
But SNK at least writes stories for every game they make. While Capcom shoves as many reused sprites as possible into a VS. game and leaves it at that, SNK shoves as many used sprites as possible into a KoF game and tries to have some form of a storyline...
So basically I have no point, I just wanted to post. (and that's not supposed to be some kind of attack on anyone, I just forgot what I was saying and I'm posting anyway!)
Like I said, Capcom does all their hard work with CPS3 and their CPS2 games outsell it. Why do the extra work for less profit?
KOF Story is actually not as complicated as you may think, seeing as how every team has three characters with the same story/goals and such. Not to mention, many characters are frozen in time, none of the unrequited love matches have ever been settled and even though Kyo and Iori see each other almost yearly their Rivalry still has not been settled. And it's story is still not as complex as SFZ3, Darkstalkers or Tech Romancer. For the regular SF Games (1, 2, 3) they aren't that storyline heavy because they are Fighting Tournaments and are not really going for the whole 'Beat the Baddie or the whole world will blow up' thing that KOF has going for it in that series. Capcom has even moved away from the MWAHAHAHA! I'M EVIL! type of villain with Gill who considers himself a Savior. No one really sees themselves as being Evil, Per Se. Even Bin Laden thinks he's doing God's Work.
I'm not bashing SNK, at least not in this Post. I'm just pointing out the differences in the two and I'm tired of the internet double standard Capcom recieves. For example, when Hugo and Earthquake were announced for SVC, people were praising SNK's decision to not go with popular choices and going with obscure ones and turned around and bashed Capcom for using popular choices in CVS2. When Capcom went with obscure choices for CFAS, people turned around and bashed Capcom for not using popular choices. I swear if Capcom cures Cancer, someone on the Net will complain they never should of got rid of good old Cancer.
I don't hate SNK or KOF. Just the Internet Double Standard is all. I'm out, Season's Greetings.
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| iggy 2337th Post
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| "Re(1):Yes, Capcom Bashing has to stop." , posted Wed 24 Dec 13:56
Oh Yeay! The christmas present of the board is a stupid flame war with an hysterical jerk who says things then say everybody will jump to his throat and begin to whine when nobody does! Just what we wanted! Thank you, Internet!
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Oh no! Here's more! Completely unverified rumors nobody ever heard about on fighting games that are beeing prepared for 4 years from now! Oh! A new cell shading fighter! Now I didn't see that comming... Oh wait! Actually I did! I said when I first saw the PS2 Jojo game that they were probably using it to makes tries for an upcoming good fighting game! Maybe I created a rumor without even meaning it, I would love it if it was true.
But since it's christmas, I will be the nice guy I can be when I'm drunk after winning a game of shot glass chess and make a little completely objective in depth analysis of the lazyness of the 2 companies.
In the last 2 years, SNK made a lot of shit, then KOF 2002, which was good but a complete rehash, Shin gôketsuji which was brand new and really fun, or Samusupi Zero, the best game of the series with a lot of rehash and a brand new system that kicks ass, new awesome characters, etc etc.
On the other side, Capcom did many forgettable games, some nice games but boring in the long term, then a lot more crap, then Gyakuten Saiban 2, which was a complete copy of Gyakuten Saiben with exactly the same music, mostly the same graphics and the same interface.
Objective conclusion?
Capcom wins. More, Capcom crushes all the other japanese companies existing, and even the non japanese ones. Capcom is a god.
But if Gyakuten Saiban 3 happens to be not as good as the first ones, then we can burry them for good.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(2):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 15:13
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The game isn't quite as bad as is being led on. The arranged soundtrack isn't bad, and is a nice little extra. The AI is not, in fact, the same old stupid SF2 AI. It has been, as it seems, significantly revemaped; feels more like playing a real person than any fighter in recent memory.
Ultimately the game, like all fighters, should be judged on it's gameplay; not on Sprites or Music or Endings or Bonus Videos. With that said, the gameplay is pretty good. Even if it's basically the same as it was 10 years ago.
if the gameplay is basically the same, then why release it?
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| Luisinan 642th Post
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| "Re(3):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 15:41
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The game isn't quite as bad as is being led on. The arranged soundtrack isn't bad, and is a nice little extra. The AI is not, in fact, the same old stupid SF2 AI. It has been, as it seems, significantly revemaped; feels more like playing a real person than any fighter in recent memory.
Ultimately the game, like all fighters, should be judged on it's gameplay; not on Sprites or Music or Endings or Bonus Videos. With that said, the gameplay is pretty good. Even if it's basically the same as it was 10 years ago.
if the gameplay is basically the same, then why release it?
I forgot I was going to make a point about this, but now I get to make it.
Why release HSF2T? I can think of a lot of reasons, but I'll just give you the most important reason.
Experimentation. If you are the type of gamer that can tell every single difference between SF2 Ryu, CE Ryu, HF Ryu and S Ryu and ST Ryu, then you will buy this game in an instant.
Okay, people are giving the obvious complaints about this game. Well, guess what, this game is obviously not for you.
Guess what, your not hardcore enough. And thats not important.
WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING?
new characters!? new game engine?
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Ignore the stupid game, its not meant for you. But if you assume the game is totally worthless because you don't give a damn about it, well, then your a fool.
 your not hardcore enough
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| exodus 1552th Post
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|  "I like it."
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ok - I can't agree with your dislike of this game.
Just got it in here, will write a review in a couple of days. Here's my short list of things I like about it:
The remix is really solid. Doesn't betray the original, essentially just brings the orchestra up to date, and amps up the drama slightly with the synchopation. You can also choose perfect CPS I and II soundtracks, which have obviously been remastered, so they're not all squished like previous console incarnations.
It's got the Street Fighter II movie in it (even the normal edition). Oldschool and ridiculous - a great addition.
The characters are *really* smooth. The resolution is upped, and frames of animation have been added.
Combos have been made *so* much easier. Move input is a lot easier (I guess you could say 'looser') , and much more respondive. Things like less charge time for guile, easier implementation of supers, etc.
I can't hardly get a 3-hit combo in the arcade - here I can get 5 hits in without much frustration about missed opportunity.
You can view the endings and openings from various street fighters from a menu, and there's a BGM check for all three STs.
Voices are remastered (clearer, not different), and sounds are different/redone with every ST.
It costs under $40 even for the import.
I'm sorry, I just don't dislike this game at all. It's Street Fighter II as it could not have been at the time. It's basically like SFII Perfect, or something. Choose your 'groove' for the character, customize most everything about it...
Sure it's still 'just' SFII. But if you don't like SFII...why are you here?? Maybe it's a disappointment for an anniversary game or something...but as for me, I'll be playing this game quite a bit.
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| Sano 324th Post
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| "Re(3):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 15:44
The info comes from Capcom Employees at Press Shows, Game Shows and such, and TAS who posts at SRK and the SNK-Capcom Forums who does indeed have connections to Capcom of Japan. If you don't beleive me, go to said forums and ask TAS yourself. He can even name the people he knows to you from Capcom of Japan's Art Team. The only reason most of this stuff is not common knowledge is simple, this is not a Capcom Forum.
Some of the things I said you can confirm for yourself even if you think I'm pulling all of this out of my Ass. What do you think Chris Jelinek was talking about when he mentioned 'Batman vs. Spider-Man?' If you think that he was referring to Sammy vs. Capcom you are giving him way to much credit. The new Cel Shaded fighter has recently been mentioned in the latest Gamepro Magazine with the Devil May Cry Comic preview. Check it out yourself. Street Fighter 4 coming out for SF's 20th Anniversary is in Street Fighter Eternal. (TAS himself says that Capcom confirms it, but since you think we are both liars just get SF Eternal.) You should know by now that Onimusha Buaiden is real. Hell, even Stefan knows about Vampire Soldier, that's old. Sammy vs. Capcom is being made jointly by both Companies and that's what the press conference is all about with Funamizu there and all. It's common knowledge the games I mentioned Capcom no longer wishes to continue will not be continued. The only one you may question is CVS3, but the fact is Capcom had a contract with SNK to make three crossover games (CVS1, Pro, and CVS2) and said contract has not been renewed. And you may also question what I said about Powerstone 3 and Rival Schools 3, but what I can prove far outbalances everything else. And the thing about the unknown fighter's also common knowledge. Capcom's working on a fighter called 'X', a name you give to something you don't want people to find about. This was long rumored to be SF4 but it doesn't look it. You may have to take my word on it.
Hell, next you'll tell me Saiki doesn't know anyone from Capcom of Japan. Both have proven their connections time and time again to me and I could care what you choose to believe.
I did find your Post hilarious so don't think I'm that stone hearted. And hey, given your hysterical Post I still win. MWAHAHAHA CAPCOM RULES!!!!!
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| Fro Boy11 1888th Post
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| "Re(3):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 15:49
I think a lot of people are pissed at Capcom because we expect more or better from them because they have a bigger, more established name all over the world and stuff, and companies like that shouldn't do the stuff they do (at least that's what I think we feel about it, I could be wrong). Of course, SNK sometimes is no better, but with them being on the MVS for so long, we expect the games to look how they look. They do have to move on from the MVS though.
Capcom won't go bankrupt because they got smart and came up with Resident Evil. The game that single handedly saved Capcom's ass in the early 90's, IMO. Because of that Capcom started doing more and more 3D games, and as 3D stuff got more popular, they made more money (we all know this).
Anyway, I don't bash Capcom that much, just every once in a while, and I never really planned on getting this "new" game anyway. I think I'm off the Capcom nostalgia kick.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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| thebigword
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| "Re(4):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 15:50
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The game isn't quite as bad as is being led on. The arranged soundtrack isn't bad, and is a nice little extra. The AI is not, in fact, the same old stupid SF2 AI. It has been, as it seems, significantly revemaped; feels more like playing a real person than any fighter in recent memory.
Ultimately the game, like all fighters, should be judged on it's gameplay; not on Sprites or Music or Endings or Bonus Videos. With that said, the gameplay is pretty good. Even if it's basically the same as it was 10 years ago.
if the gameplay is basically the same, then why release it?
I forgot I was going to make a point about this, but now I get to make it.
Why release HSF2T? I can think of a lot of reasons, but I'll just give you the most important reason.
Experimentation. If you are the type of gamer that can tell every single difference between SF2 Ryu, CE Ryu, HF Ryu and S Ryu and ST Ryu, then you will buy this game in an instant.
Okay, people are giving the obvious complaints about this game. Well, guess what, this game is obviously not for you.
Guess what, your not hardcore enough. And thats not important.
WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING?
new characters!? new game engine?
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Ignore the stupid game, its not meant for you. But if you assume the game is totally worthless because you don't give a damn about it, well, then your a fool.
your not hardcore enough
I basically asked the question about gameplay, because I don't know much about it. It could be a lot of fun. But, you're right, I'm not hardcore enough to get it, but that doesn't mean I think it's stupid. However, even though it's just an anniversary game, I really think they should let SFII go.
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| Toxico 3353th Post
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|  "Re(2):Yes, Capcom Bashing has to stop."
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In the last 2 years, SNK made a lot of shit, then KOF 2002, which was good but a complete rehash, Shin gôketsuji which was brand new and really fun, or Samusupi Zero, the best game of the series with a lot of rehash and a brand new system that kicks ass, new awesome characters, etc etc.
Well, I could be wrong (someone correct me if I am) but technically SNK hasn't done anything but KoF, the rest has been done mainly by "subteams" (like noise factory, right??); so that "increase" the sin of SNK lazyness, isn't that right.
Ahhhhhh.... I remember there it was a time when SNK made more than one game, good memories indeed ¬_¬
....Then again, I could be pretty much swimming on the air.
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| Fro Boy11 1890th Post
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| "Re(3):Yes, Capcom Bashing has to stop." , posted Wed 24 Dec 16:16
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In the last 2 years, SNK made a lot of shit, then KOF 2002, which was good but a complete rehash, Shin gôketsuji which was brand new and really fun, or Samusupi Zero, the best game of the series with a lot of rehash and a brand new system that kicks ass, new awesome characters, etc etc.
Well, I could be wrong (someone correct me if I am) but technically SNK hasn't done anything but KoF, the rest has been done mainly by "subteams" (like noise factory, right??); so that "increase" the sin of SNK lazyness, isn't that right.
Ahhhhhh.... I remember there it was a time when SNK made more than one game, good memories indeed ¬_¬
....Then again, I could be pretty much swimming on the air.
Well, yeah, I think the only thing SNK has done since coming back was SvC, and KOF2k3. Next year though, we get 6 games from them, so its all good. I hear that Capcom has something planned for next year though, and this HSF2 is supposed to hold us over until then.
Still waiting for a Dan Hibiki and Robert Garcia dream match!
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| Sano 326th Post
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| "Re(5):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 16:17:
I have not called anyone a cry baby, childish, a hysterical jerk or anything of the sort or have insulted anyone just stating my thoughts yet I'm the one being attacked? Yes, I'm a Capcom Fan Boy, not a name caller. Like I said, you can contact TAS yourself. If you don't feel like visiting another Forum to speak to him about Capcom employees that's your deal, not mine. Heck, just go ahead and disregard the Online Street Fighter Plot Guide that has lots of Stuff from TAS and Saiki because you refuse to beleive that it's possible for someone to know someone from Capcom. Yes, I agree that what I say is heresay and not offficial confirmations, but these are from Capcom Employees, (you should know that companies don't run around confirming everything. Hell, Capcom still won't flat out say Rose, Megaman, Guy and others are dead for pete's sake.)so they do hold water. And there is no help for you if you don't think Sammy vs. Capcom is not being made jointly by Capcom and Sammy. Look on any Site that discusses the game. I mean, it's right in your Post. That's not input from Capcom, that's input from freaking Funamizu the creator of Street Fighter.
And notice how my last paragraph was quoted where I was joking and trying to lighten things up and not the rest of my argument. Ah well, I'll be leaving this Thread.
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| Luisinan 645th Post
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| "Re(8):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 19:47
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Er back to the topic in-hand...
I don't see any problem with Capcom porting over SF2 again for a collectors edition. But what I don't get is why would anybody want to pit regular, SF2 Ryu v.s SS2T Ryu? I mean come on, who do you think stands a better chance? Of course in the hands of a skilled player, he could win with classic Ryu, but the lack of a super fireball, air hurricane, and less moves just makes the fight unfair.
That's not true. You go to an ST tournament, and which version of Sagat are people gonna pick? ST Sagat or Super Sagat. Screw the super combo, Super Sagat is faster and might have better comboability.
Like I said, if you were a hardcore player, you'd know which version of what character too choose. For example, I'm pretty familiar with A1 Bison, A2 Bison and A3 Bison. If I could choose which version of Bison to use in SFA3, I would choose A1 Bison. He was faster, had less recovery and I believe there is glitch where he had two psycho balls on screen.
Besides, even if you didn't know all of these details about the characters-- there are some people who would have a lot of fun figuring out these minor quirks in all the characters. It sounds silly that somone could have fun with this, but I'm betting this is one of the biggest draws to the game. Otherwise Capcom woulda just release ST for the PS2 plus added some art galleries, bonus tracks and the movie.
The character mish mash is the biggest draw IMO. I think most folks don't see the value in that.
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| Ammadeau 609th Post
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| "Re(8):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 20:50
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Er back to the topic in-hand...
I don't see any problem with Capcom porting over SF2 again for a collectors edition. But what I don't get is why would anybody want to pit regular, SF2 Ryu v.s SS2T Ryu? I mean come on, who do you think stands a better chance? Of course in the hands of a skilled player, he could win with classic Ryu, but the lack of a super fireball, air hurricane, and less moves just makes the fight unfair.
Maybe not in a serious competition, but in a match between friends, especially when one friend is a lot more skilled, then sure. Give them a handicap. When I play Vampire Chronicles against friends I often play the original versions of the characters while my friends get the Savior or Savior 2 versions to even the playing field a bit. So it's definitely a cool thing in the right context.
I won't be getting this game though since I'm not much of a SF2 fan and there are too damn many other games I want to get.
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| kyo717
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| "Re(8):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 21:39
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Er back to the topic in-hand...
I don't see any problem with Capcom porting over SF2 again for a collectors edition. But what I don't get is why would anybody want to pit regular, SF2 Ryu v.s SS2T Ryu? I mean come on, who do you think stands a better chance? Of course in the hands of a skilled player, he could win with classic Ryu, but the lack of a super fireball, air hurricane, and less moves just makes the fight unfair.
IMO, SF2 Ryu would be considered alot "cheaper" then SSF2T Ryu. SF2 Ryu would only have to combo in a few crouching shorts to dizzy SSF2T Ryu. He can repeat this combo when they are dizzy and they would dizzy again. SSF2T Ryu can't dizzy them that well, but he has reversals and throw reversals which wasn't in SF2.
There's a thread on SRK about the gameplay in detail Link Here
Since this game is coming out in the arcades, alot believe SF2 characters should be banned. Biggest reason is the fact you can't pick the same SF2 character for both player's sides. I remember in the old days, people in the arcades would race to pick guile in SF2. Guile was god in that game. The match really starts at the character select screen. >_>
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| Sano 326th Post
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| "Re(9):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Wed 24 Dec 22:03
Well, since I just got an extra MAS stick, a Yu-gi-oh Calender, a new coat, a bunch of clothes, Street Fighter Issues 1, 2, 3 and the Alex Ross Justice League Book right now and am really drunk for X-Mas I'm back, but only because the topic of Guy's death has arisen...
What we do know about Guy - Guy went after Vega (dictator) in SFZ3. He wound up having Rose in his arms after Vega defeated her. Vega's Soul was entering Rose's body after his body was destroyed. Vega in Rose's body couldn't of killed Guy right then and there because Final Fight 3 happens after SFZ3, so chances are Vega (his scientists made a new body for him)tracked down Guy later and offed him.
Also, Guy was also opposed to Gouki, because his power goes against nature and that goes against Bushinryu's code (most likely because he destroys mountains, islands and such.) You do know that if Guy ever finds Gouki, Gouki will obliterate him.
Even if it is in the unofficial game CVS2, Capcom has confirmed that it is official that Maki is looking for Guy. Having Guy out of the picture is the perfect way for Capcom to have her become the next Bushinryu Master (there can only be one) without defeating Guy. All the evidence points to Guy being dead.
On the other hand, the Capcom Design Staff loves Guy, so some doubt that Capcom would off him, but Capcom is not so good with killing people beyond a shadow of a doubt. Nash and Chun-Li's Dad for example body's have dissapeared without any corpses. They still won't flat out say Zero killed Megaman even though it's heavily conjectured in Power Fighters and loosely hinted at in Megaman X. One of the few characters they have killed beyond a shadow of a doubt is Vega, but even then people still think there's a chance he can return in Cammy's body, and you don't want to know about the people who think he's Sigma...
Anyway, I hope everyone else gets all the stuff they wanted (when I'm drunk I'm quite nice...) Happy Holidays!
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| whitesword 1464th Post
Red Carpet Executive Member
| "Re(10):Quick impressions of HSF2T" , posted Thu 25 Dec 16:29
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What we do know about Guy - Guy went after Vega (dictator) in SFZ3. He wound up having Rose in his arms after Vega defeated her. Vega's Soul was entering Rose's body after his body was destroyed. Vega in Rose's body couldn't of killed Guy right then and there because Final Fight 3 happens after SFZ3, so chances are Vega (his scientists made a new body for him)tracked down Guy later and offed him.
Also, Guy was also opposed to Gouki, because his power goes against nature and that goes against Bushinryu's code (most likely because he destroys mountains, islands and such.) You do know that if Guy ever finds Gouki, Gouki will obliterate him.
Even if it is in the unofficial game CVS2, Capcom has confirmed that it is official that Maki is looking for Guy. Having Guy out of the picture is the perfect way for Capcom to have her become the next Bushinryu Master (there can only be one) without defeating Guy. All the evidence points to Guy being dead.
On the other hand, the Capcom Design Staff loves Guy, so some doubt that Capcom would off him,
...seriously, that sounds more like fanfic material than anything else.
If Guy is to die, it would at least be hinted at, like with Gen. Also, he's too popular and cool to die that simply (the Zero syndrom)
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| Sano 333th Post
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| "Re(7):I like it." , posted Sun 28 Dec 17:01:
Well, some of my annoying posts I can choke up to X-MAS Eve stress, some of it was due to there was a Thread here not so long ago called something like "Capcom's New Arcade Game" which in fact turned out to be HSF2 and went about 50 Posts with some of the most Capcom Bashing I've ever seen on this Thread and with this game being discussed once again there was no way in heck I was going to let that happen again. (Siegfried posted the same exact thing over at SRK and my reaction over there involved no SNK bashing. I guess people act different on other Threads, or at least I do, or that Thread has enough SNK bashers...)When I finally posted on that 50 post long Thread here at MMCAFE, I told people the truth about certain Capcom issues and quited everybody down. I did it without attacking SNK too, X-Mas Eve is just pretty stressfull for me is all, so you got the "Bad Sano." (Billy Bob Thorton has agreed to play in the movie version of "Bad Sano.") Though I may have been angry, I did mean a lot of what I said, just not the way it came out. Not that I really mind being annoying, though. We all have a darkside that likes pissing people off at times.
In the newest issue of PSM, (PS2 Shinobi trailer)a Disk is included that has the Trailer of HSF2, and I can honestly say it's the fastest, most colorful, best looking SF2 home version to date, and seeing both versions of Chun-Li and both versions of Ryu fight is a head trip. If your not a hardcore SF junkie like me, I'm not sure I'd recomend it however, since it's still an old game and all.
Also in the Magazine is Mai's figure from Toy Biz. I'm not Mai's biggest fan - over at SNK I like Shermie and Charlotte (some of my SNK hatred comes from the fact that THOSE BASTARDS KILLED SHERMIE AND CHARLOTTE NEVER HOOKED UP WITH HAOHMARU) but Mai's toy looks hot! See, I can say nice things about SNK! (ignore everything I said in parenthesis...)
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| Ultima 340th Post
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| "Re(9):I like it." , posted Thu 1 Jan 01:40
Hey Sieg - you should have known beforehand what this game was about. If the differences between CE Bison and HF Bison don't interest you (for those who don't know, there are 4 differences that I know of), then it's not likely you would care about this game, even with the supposed "extras".
Sano:
The fact remains that, as a whole, HSF *is* underwhelming. It's so bare-bones and empty. The gameplay is *all*, and while that's the most important thing, they could have done so much more. This is laziness beyond the pale. ONLY the most hardcore of hardcore can appreciate it. Works for me, I guess (though I don't have a Jpn. PS2.. I hope there's a US version coming out), but I can understand why 99% of the fighting game populace wouldn't give a rat's ass.
And it has nothing to do with Capcom's success in other works: For one thing, many peeople didn't like and a lot of people *Still* don't like 3S that much; SFZ3 was loved pretty by many right out the gate, though some hated it (and still do), and it's falen off a bit due to age and the some of the stupidity that's been found in it. However, the home versions were a FANTASTIC package. Easily the most bang for your buck in a Capcom home port yet. Much better than any home port of SF3, which was only for one system that not many people bought and it was a game that few people cared about/had even seen. I don't know about CvS1 doing well (I can't see how, personally), but CvS2 was at least on multiple systems. 3S hasn't had that, and there's only Capcom tp bame for that.
PLus, I hear the SF movie included with HSF2 has actually been CUT. No Chun shower scene. Is this true? I can't believe that they would do that. (Man, it almost makes me want to go digging through my tapes to find my old jpn letterboxed SF2 movie copy... almost, but then I realise that that movie was that good to begin with).
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| Siegfried 322th Post
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| "Re(10):I like it." , posted Thu 1 Jan 04:27
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Hey Sieg - you should have known beforehand what this game was about. If the differences between CE Bison and HF Bison don't interest you (for those who don't know, there are 4 differences that I know of), then it's not likely you would care about this game, even with the supposed "extras".
Of course, but I was still hoping that they would do SOMETHING worthwhile with it. Add something for the fans. As it is, it's just a game that every fan already has, and has had for eight+ years.
I just wrote my review on the game, although it isn't released in Europe until god knows when. I gave it 5/10, which I feel is a fair score for a plain re-release of such an old game, regardless of its initial quality. As a comparison, we gave the PC ports of Halo and GTA:VC, as well as the Xbox port of CvS2, about 2 points less because they were all pretty much barebone ports released up to two years later. Same thing with Nintendo's GBA re-releases, even if Zelda 3 is still one of the best games ever, we can't give it 10/10.
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| Sano 346th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):I like it." , posted Fri 2 Jan 10:05:
Ultima - Long time no read, man! How's it going!
CVS1 was in fact a huge hit for Capcom especially in the arcades mostly 'cuz of the WOW! RYU AND KYO in the same game factor. Whatever money they lost only releasing it on Dreamcast at first, they sure as heck got it back with CVS2.
Capcom pulled a fast one with SFZ3. The Arcade version was the unfinished version, the home version was the finished version. I wish more companies would do this more to cut down on buying upgrades.
And as for no SF3 on PS2, blame PS2. When Sony made that system they made it damn near impossible to debug for their 246 Board. Sony's attitude was, "screw you! We're on top so you better learn how to debug for it!" Capcom makes about 20 Games a year and are not going to bother doing all this hardwork since most gamers won't notice, hence the not so great MVC2 and CVS2 Ports. The usual argument for this is, "But Sammy can do it!" Well, Guilty Gear is the next best thing to CPS3, but it's not better, most people just don't notice because of the High Res and everything else it has going for it, but if you put it next to SF3 you will notice that the character's movements are a lot more fluid. So, SF3 on PS2 would probably SUCK big time. Third Strike on Dreamcast is not even Arcade perfect.
Even hardcore SF Fans understand this, which is why on the SF Fan Poll they asked for SF3 Third Strike on X-Box, not on PS2. The problem their of course is no one in Japan owns an X-Box, so it's kind of similar to releasing it on Dreamcast.
Anyway, let's hope PS2 doesn't repeat such erorrs when they make PS3 which will be more accesible to the public rather than Dreamcast was and it comes out with SF3.
I feel for the most part Capcom is always being compared to companies that put out a heck of a lot less games a year. Of course Sammy can make perfect conversions of their games on PS2, there's not a heck of a lot they have to do that year while meanwhile Capcom makes about 20 Games a year.
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