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| aderack
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|  "Re(4):Return of the King"
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Just got back from seeing it tonight. Indeed it did not disappoint. As for what it left out of the books...
Jackson never filmed that scene; he felt it anticlimactic. He has a different fate for those characters planned for the extended DVD.
The above ordering is about accurate. This one is almost as good as Fellowship (and is in fact the only theatrical version which has felt entirely adequate to me). This is largely due to the fact that it ties up so many threads (down to the smallest things that you wouldn't have realized needed closure) that it feels like one extended burst of payoff for having spent the time with the previous two movies.
One other note: god, this movie is violent. By comparison to its predecessors, anyway. Expect many stabbings, impalings, bludgeonings, meaty punches-to-the-face, and other weirdness. And most of it's pretty personal and graphic, for as far as it goes.
It works, of course. And it sets a certain tone. Not something that I anticipated, however.
Hell. One more note. Why not.
Theoden kicks ass. He just does. In the same way that Boromir did.
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| Luisinan 627th Post
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| "Re(6):Return of the King" , posted Sat 20 Dec 00:47
I shed a few tears on several occassions. I just couldn't help it. This movie was too much for me. Okay, I'm not gonna post in spoiler text, so stop reading if you haven't watched the movie. Besides, you shouldn't be posting in this thread if you haven't watched the movie. Anyway here are my favorite scenes.
0. Gandalf bopping Denethor in the head scenes. Denethor is such a 'pendejo'. It was so good watching Gandalf push him around. Goodness, I hate Denethor. Flipping 'burning man'. His final scene was great (bit funny too).
1. Rohirrims march into the Mordor army.
2. Eowyn and Merry's slaying of the Witch King. I was crying here man. Ever since Fellowship, I was looking forward to seeing this scene. This was the scene I wanted to watch since the end of Fellowship.
3. Death of Theoden.
4. Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli boarding off the ship. That was just such a classic, "We are gonna so kick your ass" scene.
5. Reunification of the Fellowship.
6. Crowning of the King
7. Departure of Frodo and Bilbo. I was falling apart by now.
Goodness, Eowyn and Merry's slaying of the Witchking will forever be remembered. I loved that scene so much.
And IMO, I don't think the ending was too long. It was appropriate. And I'm glad they didn't have the scouring of the Shire. Anti-climactic is a good description of that episode.
Overall, I didn't think I'd like RoTK above Fellowship, but I do. Just because RoTK brought out so much emotion in me. RoTK used up all the pent up emotion very well.
Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. Time to go back and watch it.
Oh, and for those that haven't read the book, a scene that got cut out, wasn't important but thought woulda been cool to have included, was (don't read the following spoiler if you plan to or are reading LoTR):
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
In the last battle scene, after Aragorn goes up to the gate and challenges Sauron to come out and fight, a character named "Mouth of Sauron" comes out and presents Frodo's clothes (chainmail, cloak and sword). That was a great, "oh shit, we're gonna die scene." Not important but woulda been nice.
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| Luisinan 635th Post
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| "Re(9):Return of the King" , posted Sun 21 Dec 02:27:
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Overall it was a really great movie, but I was disappointed by the total lack of Sarumon, and the fact that Gandalf didn't use ANY magic at all aside from the part where he scares off the dragons.
Love it or hate it, that was Tolkien's style. He was very subtle about magic. For example, the Elves are always appearing unnoticed, their cloaks make perfect camoflauge, and their bread is super nutricious. All Elf magic, but not blatant. Time also stands still in Rivendell and Lorien. The older Elves also have precognitive abilities but they're not showy about it. Elven swords are also special. Frodo's glows when Orcs are nearby. And Aragorn's reforged sword emits flames (briefly seen in the movie). Also, remember when Sam thinks it's a shame they used their Elf rope to climb down the cliff, and then the rope unties itself and falls down? Elf magic again.
Gandalf is also subtle. He does most of his magic through 'Jedi mind tricks' that is, his speech changes things (heals Theoden, entrances enemies, depowers Saruman). I think the only time he was showy was when they needed a fire while stuck on a mountain top and he made a fireball. Even then, he said, he shouldn't have done it cause it revealed himself to the world. Or something like that.
Even the bad guys are subtle. The mere prescence of the Ringwraithes send you running to the hills. Everything about them is poisonous. Any type of contact with them is bad. The film didn't elaborate on it, but Merry and Eowyn were injured after they killed the Witch King. Frodo had a permanent injury from his earlier attack.
Anyway, I love this style of magic. Don't like the showy stuff too much.
(yes. I could talk forever about Tolkien.)
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| Time Mage 1736th Post
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| "Re(10):Return of the King" , posted Sun 21 Dec 13:37
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Love it or hate it, that was Tolkien's style.
And even it is exaggerated in the films. Theoden's transformation is much more subtle in the books, kind of a change of mentality, not a real physical change. He looks younger and stronger, but because his attitude, his stronger voice, his regained self-confidence, and not because he lost the wrinkles of his face. And Gandalf doesn't "dispel" him, he gives him his lost courage, by talking to him and reconforting his heart. And even if it's not very spectacular, it's still magic.
Also, "The Eye" is more like a representation of Sauron, unlike the films, in which he is a lighthouse!!
Use Time Magic to control time and space. Extremely useful allies.
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| Luisinan 636th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Return of the King" , posted Sun 21 Dec 15:12
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Also, "The Eye" is more like a representation of Sauron, unlike the films, in which he is a lighthouse!!
ha ha ha. Argueably, IMO, the greatest fantasy villain of all time, is a lighthouse.
I didn't mind most of the changes or interpretations made by Jackson. Not even Sauron as a Lighthouse (even though its kinda funny and campy).
There is one thing I wish Jackson exagerrated: The Nazgul. In the books, they don't do a whole lot of battling. I mean, they do, but Tolkien doesn't go into detail. Only specific thing he mentions is the Witchkings battle and death with Eowyn and Merry. Jackson had a lot of swooping Nazgul attacks. I wanted more Nazgul versus a person scenes.
On the other hand, remember when the Witchking says he'll 'take care of the wizard.' There's a rumor in AICN, that in the extended edition
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
The Witchking has a scene where he breaks Gandalf's staff. That's why you don't see Gandalf with his staff after the Minas Tirith battle.
End of Spoiler
Denethor will forever be a punk ass fool. Just like Saruman.
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| Ven
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| "Re(1):Return of the King" , posted Mon 22 Dec 12:56
Jackson's stuff seems to coincide with lots and lots of people's interpretations of the books, I guess.
But not mine. I walked out feeling like I had been robbed.
To me, Jackson sucked out nearly all of the conflict, and amplified every battle to Matrixy, over-the-top status. And if I see wind pass dramatically through Orlando Bloom's hair one more time...
Not to mention the "Happy Homo Hobbits".
It's 4 hours that I want back. Unfortunately, the theatre can't refund my time.
In my opinion, him leaving scenes out is just serving to hype up the DVD sales, where the real profits will be made.
And I've seen scores of action figures and other promo material. I believe that the whole series of movies played to the majority of consumers, at the complete expense of the original source material. But most things are like that.
And in the face of overwhelming popularity, what I think doesn't give a damn. Glad you all enjoyed it, though.
- Ven
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| Luisinan 639th Post
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| "Re(3):Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.." , posted Tue 23 Dec 15:18
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Well, I have to admit that the trailer works differently for different people. For me, the movie represents a throwback to storytelling of a different time (1930s-40s). Think about how sci-fi writers envisioned technology back then (Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon would be good examples). It's a neat retreat from all the cyberpunk/mecha stuff we see nowadays.
It certainly has that retro/old-style/sylized feel but what else does it bring to the table? I know you can't answer that yet, cause we barely know anything about the movie but still it's a very valid question because summer Hollywood action movies often rely on some sort of gimmick to push them.
I'm still confused about the film. I mean, it has to be a campy film. The premise and the style demand that you not take it seriously and that you just have fun. But then you have serious or semi-serious actors in the leading roles. Hrm. This could be very, very, very good. Or very, very, very boring.
Guess it'll largely depend on the script and the acting (like always, yeah, obvious statement). Hrm.
BTW-- does anyone still take Angelina Jolie seriously? Honestly, she's getting all these leading roles and most of them are serious, dramatic roles. But after watching Tomb Raider 2 and seeing her in other trailers-- I can't take her seriously. I mean, I think she's good actress, but her real life is such a bizarre goof and some of her less serious roles have also been too bizarre and goofy (Lara Croft). Its like, when I see her giving a strong performance, in the back of my mind I think she's thinking "ha, ha, I am just f-ing with you. I'm really just a goofy/weird actress and I'm trying my hardest not to laugh while I read these lines."
anyway, end rant er whatever I just did.
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