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| hikarutilmitt
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|  "To like KoF 2k1 on PS2 or not to like it..."
, posted Thu 11 Dec 18:14
I'm rather mixed on it, honestly. Granted, while the backgrounds look better and have variations, they also are a lot smoother than the sprites (which seem to have been smoothed ever so slightly) and make them stand out like a MUGEN build.
I noticed that they're using the official character art instead of in-game art (as was previously noted), but even a few of THOSE are different. It's very noticeable when May Lee looks like a sadistic stoner. Hell, there were a few character shots in the original that I liked regardless of being nasty overall.
The controls are a bit stiff and rank somewhere between being as bad as the PSX ports of previous KoF games and the superb control of 2k on PS2.
2k is obviously the better of the two ports. Better control, sharper presentation, arranged soundtrack and interesting ways to open up the extras.
Overall, the 2-pack was worth it, even if just for 2k. 2k1 isn't bad, but even if you paint a stinkbug to look like a butterfly...
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(2):To like KoF 2k1 on PS2 or not to like i" , posted Thu 11 Dec 20:21
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Controls are defenetly weird. Glad it wasnt just me.
Everybody loves Nona!
I mainly find it hard to do QCF/QCBx2 motions, with an occasional slip on a QCF,HCB, etc motion (mainly due to my DS2 wearing out, I believe). Like I said, 2k is pretty much spot on, but 2k1 leaves a bit to be desired.
Hehe, I'm not a fan of Nona, but I found enough of the pics in 2k1 to at least be amusing enough (Xiangfei's screens and just about all of the life bar portraits) to actually like them in an odd way. I wish there was a way to switch to riginal mode.
Also, one thing I forgot to mention, the background clouds are kinda *ugh* too look at. Nasty artifacting videos. XD
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| Grave 774th Post
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| "BLAH!" , posted Sat 13 Dec 20:37
Yeah, yeah, I know. Promises.
People break promises often, and the world hasn't ended. This is how I feel about it, and this is the third time I've said it on a messageboard:
I'm mad. Yeah, I don't like this censorship. I never did like SNK censorship and I like it even less that it's 2003 and they still feel they need to pull this shit for the US audiences. It pissed me off for Last Blade 2, it made me furious. I didn't buy it. In retrospect, that was a mistake. I'll get the MVS cart someday and make up for it. However, blood in LB2 is a lot more prevalent than blood and bouncing is in KOF, and a lot more of the experience. If the blood in SS5 or MS3 was made permanently white, I think I'd have a lot harder of time playing them than I would this, but...
yeah, I just don't care. People, it's two KOF games for $40. They're still going to play exactly the same. When people say they won't buy this game, I want to hit them. People cry, "Fuck that! I'm importing!" Go ahead, spend $100 on imports and let SNK go out of business in the US again. Gamers don't want to give SNK their business because they censor the games here. SNK doesn't want to release games here when people don't buy them. So what do we do?
Buy it, but let them know how you feel. Call, write, product registration cart comments... whatever! If you feel like you want to play these games, by all means, buy it! $20 each is a very good deal! Let them know how you feel, but not supporting them because of it isn't smart.
Personally, it's not gonna bother me much. I'm going to play these over break and enjoy the hell out of them. So... yeah. That's just how I feel.
Sorry. This issue has been making me insane all day. The way people are dealing with it in some places... annoying.
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| Cain Highwind 309th Post
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| "Re(1):BLAH!" , posted Sat 13 Dec 23:52
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I'll get the MVS cart someday and make up for it. However, blood in LB2 is a lot more prevalent than blood and bouncing is in KOF, and a lot more of the experience. If the blood in SS5 or MS3 was made permanently white, I think I'd have a lot harder of time playing them than I would this, but...
yeah, I just don't care. People, it's two KOF games for $40. They're still going to play exactly the same. When people say they won't buy this game, I want to hit them. People cry, "Fuck that! I'm importing!" Go ahead, spend $100 on imports and let SNK go out of business in the US again. Gamers don't want to give SNK their business because they censor the games here. SNK doesn't want to release games here when people don't buy them. So what do we do?
Buy it, but let them know how you feel. Call, write, product registration cart comments... whatever! If you feel like you want to play these games, by all means, buy it! $20 each is a very good deal! Let them know how you feel, but not supporting them because of it isn't smart.
Personally, it's not gonna bother me much. I'm going to play these over break and enjoy the hell out of them. So... yeah. That's just how I feel.
Sorry. This issue has been making me insane all day. The way people are dealing with it in some places... annoying.
I couldn't agree more, I hope by the time SvC Chaos and SSV come out for the PS2, they might get their act together. Like you said, Blood in KoF games don't take a whole lot from the experience, but in a game like Samurai Shodown, it's pretty silly, especially in this day and age, there's supposed to be blood with sword slashing and whatnot.
I also pointed this out in another forum. Despite the typical Mai and Blood censoring, SvC Chaos has a rather Mature translation compared to past SNK titles. I've seen Hell, Bastard and Damn as well as the whole Heaven and Hell (which surprised me there too, I figured they'd tone it down to maybe "Netherworld and Paradise". I also noticed the English versions of the 2k3 stories had milder language than in previous games. Which shows the possibility that SNK may just be inching back to mature English versions.
Well a lot of people have been e-mailing Ben Herman including me. I haven't gotten a reply yet, but from what I hear, others have been getting a reply saying "He doesn't know what's going on, and he's going to talk to the Japanese branch to get things straightnened out."
I sure hope he does.
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| CrazyMax 315th Post
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| "Re(1):To like KoF 2k1 on PS2 or not to like i" , posted Sun 14 Dec 12:53
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I'm rather mixed on it, honestly. Granted, while the backgrounds look better and have variations, they also are a lot smoother than the sprites (which seem to have been smoothed ever so slightly) and make them stand out like a MUGEN build.
I noticed that they're using the official character art instead of in-game art (as was previously noted), but even a few of THOSE are different. It's very noticeable when May Lee looks like a sadistic stoner. Hell, there were a few character shots in the original that I liked regardless of being nasty overall.
The controls are a bit stiff and rank somewhere between being as bad as the PSX ports of previous KoF games and the superb control of 2k on PS2.
2k is obviously the better of the two ports. Better control, sharper presentation, arranged soundtrack and interesting ways to open up the extras.
Overall, the 2-pack was worth it, even if just for 2k. 2k1 isn't bad, but even if you paint a stinkbug to look like a butterfly...
My impressions as a KOF noobie?
Broken!
Maybe I've played too much Capcom stuff, but 2K1 seems to be determined to just throw out balance and control, for coolness.
2K seems to work, with control on the money for the most part, the boss cheese kept to a minimum, and some kind of balance. When I play 2K1, every match seems to have me saying once at least... "What the f---?"
Besides stiff control, the system just seems kinda wonky. I know I don't know the nuances like guard impacts, breaks, or super cancels, but I don't think that should penalize a player. That kinda kills making you want to play it again. I mean the computer breaks up combos like nothing when you're using Angel, but will have Kyo do a combo, you roll thru it, so it just does a 180 with it to get it's hits. Like I said, I don't know the subtleties of the game, so I maybe missing something. And man, could they break from tradition just once, and lay off the cheese bosses? Are skill based ones out of the question? Two strikers out one after another, then unlimited supers? Especially if you are near a corner and the striker ( the dead Rasputin looking guy ) can come from behind you?
The last boss? Sheesh! Supers just seem like overkill for him.
Give me the seemingly more stable play of 2K, over 2K1. Which sucks cause I like some of the characters in 2K1, especially Angel and her combos, with Ralf and Terry I could have a grand ol' time in 2K. Hopefully 2K3 has the balance, cause once again, I like the looks of that game as well.
Ah well, back to practice mode with Angel. Wish I could have played this at the arcades against some human opponents. Hopefully 2K3 will make it to Mindboggles!
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| CrazyMax 316th Post
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| "Re(4):BLAH!" , posted Sun 14 Dec 13:02
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I don't think people who hate censorship should buy this PS2 release because in buying it you're saying 'I might hate it, but I'll still give SNK my money for it' which gives SNK no incentive to stop censoring.
No you're not. By buying them you're saying that someone still gives enough of a damn to buy SNK's games over here. In constrast, by passing them by, you're saying "I don't buy these games. Please stop trying to publish them. It's a waste of money and effort."
SNK is not made up of mind-readers. If you've got a problem, tell them about it. They probably aren't aware that anyone considers it important. If you want SNK to change their ways, they can't do it unless you support them.
If you just don't care either way about having an SNK presence in the West, then do as you will. You're not entitled to anything, though.
Oh, and I agree. The SNK drought around the states sucked! 2D fighting game fans need to get behind this game and support it. Make it one of those "Only found on Ebay nowadays" games. All the while bombarding them with emails stating any disatisfaction you had with ports.
The new guy in charge for the US sounds like he wants to do what he can to make SNK/Playmore a success in the states. With that in mind, I'll give him benefit of the doubt and my support. I reserved my copy of the KOFs, in the hopes of my EB getting the message there's a desire for this game. Hopefully others will step up and buy the remaining copies.
I may not get to play 2K3 in the arcades or God forbid the new Samurai Shodown. If that is the case, I NEED ports to be made and brought here to the states. Boycotting cause you didn't get some milk shakes, faux blood, and maybe broken profanity seems rather stupid & unproductive.
As a customer you have EVERY right to bitch & complain, as someone who didn't buy their product, you earn the right to be ignored.
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| Ishmael 1083th Post
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| "Re(5):BLAH!" , posted Sun 14 Dec 16:51
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I don't think people who hate censorship should buy this PS2 release because in buying it you're saying 'I might hate it, but I'll still give SNK my money for it' which gives SNK no incentive to stop censoring.
No you're not. By buying them you're saying that someone still gives enough of a damn to buy SNK's games over here. In constrast, by passing them by, you're saying "I don't buy these games. Please stop trying to publish them. It's a waste of money and effort."
SNK is not made up of mind-readers. If you've got a problem, tell them about it. They probably aren't aware that anyone considers it important. If you want SNK to change their ways, they can't do it unless you support them.
If you just don't care either way about having an SNK presence in the West, then do as you will. You're not entitled to anything, though.
Oh, and I agree. The SNK drought around the states sucked! 2D fighting game fans need to get behind this game and support it. Make it one of those "Only found on Ebay nowadays" games. All the while bombarding them with emails stating any disatisfaction you had with ports.
That's my problem with the current incarnation of SNK; I'm supposed to buy the game and overlook any problems I may have with it in the hopes that at some point in the future SNK will release other, better games. Instead of the normal manufacturer/consumer relationship the whole thing turns into some sort of odd charity case for a multi-national corporation. That, or it's like I'm stuck in a codependant relationship with SNK. Whatever shaky analogy you want to use the whole thing bothers me. Perhaps it comes from me never being that big a fan of KoF2k and 01 in the first place but still being told I should support the games in order to help SNK get back on their feet, free from Eolith or whatever. Being told for years to spend money on games I personally found mediocre for the good of the company has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
If you like these two KoF games or always wanted a home version of them in English then by all means pick them up. If you think people should buy the KoF bundle because of the changes in gameplay from previous games or the unique new characters feel free to sing it's praises. But telling people they should forget about any qualms they may have and buy the game in order to make SNK happy doesn't strike me as a valid reason to make a purchase.
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| CrazyMax 317th Post
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| "Re(6):BLAH!" , posted Sun 14 Dec 17:32
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I don't think people who hate censorship should buy this PS2 release because in buying it you're saying 'I might hate it, but I'll still give SNK my money for it' which gives SNK no incentive to stop censoring.
No you're not. By buying them you're saying that someone still gives enough of a damn to buy SNK's games over here. In constrast, by passing them by, you're saying "I don't buy these games. Please stop trying to publish them. It's a waste of money and effort."
SNK is not made up of mind-readers. If you've got a problem, tell them about it. They probably aren't aware that anyone considers it important. If you want SNK to change their ways, they can't do it unless you support them.
If you just don't care either way about having an SNK presence in the West, then do as you will. You're not entitled to anything, though.
Oh, and I agree. The SNK drought around the states sucked! 2D fighting game fans need to get behind this game and support it. Make it one of those "Only found on Ebay nowadays" games. All the while bombarding them with emails stating any disatisfaction you had with ports.
That's my problem with the current incarnation of SNK; I'm supposed to buy the game and overlook any problems I may have with it in the hopes that at some point in the future SNK will release other, better games. Instead of the normal manufacturer/consumer relationship the whole thing turns into some sort of odd charity case for a multi-national corporation. That, or it's like I'm stuck in a codependant relationship with SNK. Whatever shaky analogy you want to use the whole thing bothers me. Perhaps it comes from me never being that big a fan of KoF2k and 01 in the first place but still being told I should support the games in order to help SNK get back on their feet, free from Eolith or whatever. Being told for years to spend money on games I personally found mediocre for the good of the company has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
If you like these two KoF games or always wanted a home version of them in English then by all means pick them up. If you think people should buy the KoF bundle because of the changes in gameplay from previous games or the unique new characters feel free to sing it's praises. But telling people they should forget about any qualms they may have and buy the game in order to make SNK happy doesn't strike me as a valid reason to make a purchase.
I suppose this also goes with my earlier sentiments. I'm a KOF noob, i.e. there just hasn't been much my way as far as SNK goes. So this relationship is new to me. I don't have the history some of you might have. All I know is that SNK is/was/has been in financial trouble before and the chances of me finally getting some of their games in my hands may depend on their current success.
Thus I can only base my feelings on SNK on a normal consumer/supplier relationship. If I don't buy any of their product, only complain, then I may not see any product. The company may simply believe their product is unwanted. If I buy the product, and complain about what I didn't care for in the product, we may both win.
I don't say forget all qualms, nor do I say buy the games to make them happy. In the end you don't give a flip how happy they are. You care that they make YOU happy. It's supposedly a new day for the company, and I'd like to give them a chance, and hope a few others would as well.
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