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| DarkZero 530th Post
 
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|  "Re(5):SvC Chaos Uploader Chaos"
, posted Wed 10 Dec 12:17
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I've removed the link to the mmcafe image uploader.
Thank you. The last thing we need on the MMC Image Board are people like Gia and Jimmyi that just post pathetic children's drawings and bad amateur wallpapers with their names spewed across them. Now I see the genius of the image board's BBS key.
And thankfully, someone on the Chaos Uploader clarified what they meant with the message at the top, but they unfortunately haven't changed the message's text at all. They mean to say "Only Japanese Language Posts" (please?). Instead, they have that "JAPANESE ONLY" message up, which is probably read by any non-Japanese person as "Hey GAIJIN, go FUCK YOURSELVES!". That was certainly my interpretation, as well as the interpretation of everyone that decided to spam them and post rude comments.
Unfortunately, their English is so pathetic that they can't even explain it correctly. The best explanation they can give is "This BBS is japanese only! You can't write here! but you can see here!", which seems to indicate that they meant "Japanese" as "Japanese LANGUAGE", not "Japanese people". But unfortunately, the latter is what standard English infers, so a lot of us misunderstood.
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| Chupiler 885th Post
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| "Re(6):SvC Chaos Uploader Chaos" , posted Wed 10 Dec 13:52
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And thankfully, someone on the Chaos Uploader clarified what they meant with the message at the top, but they unfortunately haven't changed the message's text at all. They mean to say "Only Japanese Language Posts" (please?). Instead, they have that "JAPANESE ONLY" message up, which is probably read by any non-Japanese person as "Hey GAIJIN, go FUCK YOURSELVES!". That was certainly my interpretation, as well as the interpretation of everyone that decided to spam them and post rude comments.
Unfortunately, their English is so pathetic that they can't even explain it correctly. The best explanation they can give is "This BBS is japanese only! You can't write here! but you can see here!", which seems to indicate that they meant "Japanese" as "Japanese LANGUAGE", not "Japanese people". But unfortunately, the latter is what standard English infers, so a lot of us misunderstood.
Well, I usually assume that you're supposed to post in the langauge of that board; that's common sense, that's netiquette. You can only allow for so many posts in a language you can't understand before it gets annoying. I'm sure no one would appreciate it here if 5 new memebers came in typing only in Arabic, starting new threads all the time in Arabic, and replying to other posts in Arabic.
As for the "Japanese only" sign, it's grammatically correct. That is just a flaw in the English language; don't blame it on the Japanese. And I'm sure that even if it said "Japanese language only," people would still manage to find it offensive. Besides, people should be thankful that they were trying to explain it in a language that most aren't that good at.
I really think there needs to be more uploaders and the sort in English so people could post where everone can communicate.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 2553th Post
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|  "separate but equal"
, posted Wed 10 Dec 15:20
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Well, I usually assume that you're supposed to post in the langauge of that board; that's common sense, that's netiquette. You can only allow for so many posts in a language you can't understand before it gets annoying. I'm sure no one would appreciate it here if 5 new memebers came in typing only in Arabic, starting new threads all the time in Arabic, and replying to other posts in Arabic.
look at this board. should we condemn iggy, NARUTO, and whoever else for speaking to eachother in their own language? how about ONSLAUGHT, Time Mage, and Sensenic? would it be netiquette to tell them to speak English or please find another place to post?
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As for the "Japanese only" sign, it's grammatically correct. That is just a flaw in the English language; don't blame it on the Japanese. And I'm sure that even if it said "Japanese language only," people would still manage to find it offensive. Besides, people should be thankful that they were trying to explain it in a language that most aren't that good at.
what the hell's that supposed to mean? how is that a flaw in the English language? there's a difference between being blunt and taking the time to make your words come out polite
i don't blame the people at that uploader. they can only do so much to communicate with foreigners. anyways, whoever runs the board can do whatever they want with it
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I really think there needs to be more uploaders and the sort in English so people could post where everone can communicate.
your sense of nationality is piquing again. this reminds me of a couple of old threads
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| DarkZero 533th Post
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| "Re(7):SvC Chaos Uploader Chaos" , posted Wed 10 Dec 15:39:
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Well, I usually assume that you're supposed to post in the langauge of that board; that's common sense, that's netiquette. You can only allow for so many posts in a language you can't understand before it gets annoying. I'm sure no one would appreciate it here if 5 new memebers came in typing only in Arabic, starting new threads all the time in Arabic, and replying to other posts in Arabic.
There are members here that start threads that are entirely in Spanish or French and continue the entire thread only in Spanish or French. And Iggy constantly posts links to Japanese-language news posts without any translation or even the vaguest explanation of what they could be possibly be about. All this tells me is that there's something, somewhere, that is new and has the name "Xenosaga" on it. What the Hell is it? I DON'T KNOW! Does it annoy me? Of course it does! It's infuriating, but I'm a big boy. I can handle it. Welcome to the internet, your price of entry is your loathing for those who you do not understand.
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As for the "Japanese only" sign, it's grammatically correct. That is just a flaw in the English language; don't blame it on the Japanese. And I'm sure that even if it said "Japanese language only," people would still manage to find it offensive. Besides, people should be thankful that they were trying to explain it in a language that most aren't that good at.
It's grammatically incorrect in the same sense that walking up to a woman and saying "Fuck you!" is a polite proposition for intercourse. The English language is more than just the basic pairing of words that grammatical rules consider "correct". Different kinds of sentences can form polite sentences, blunt sentences, or even insults. And if you think that having synonyms and primary definitions is a "flaw" in the English language, please find me a flawless one. So far I have yet to find a living language whose dictionary displays only one definition for every word and has no regard for context.
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I really think there needs to be more uploaders and the sort in English so people could post where everone can communicate.
I can't believe that on a board where at least FOUR separate languages are spoken in a medium with heavy linguistic barriers (text), there is someone that actually believes that people of multiple languages can't communicate together in a medium that has nearly ZERO linguistic barriers (images). The only problem with the Chaos Uploader was trolling and spam, regardless of what language it was in. Gia, Jimmyi, and most of the other regulars that didn't speak Japanese were jackasses. If a bunch of English-speakers came to this board and messed with it (intentionally or unintentionally), we'd have the same problems they did.
But I'm not saying that what the Uploader's admins did was rude or wrong, mind you. I just disagree with it and think that their choice of language was... unfortunate. I don't think that they should be banning English language posts, especially on a board that relies almost entirely on images, but that's their choice. It was also very nice of one of the admins (at least I think that he was one) to clarify their position and explain that we were welcome to view the board, but not post in English. Again, I don't agree with it, but I thought it was very polite.
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look at this board. should we condemn iggy, NARUTO, and whoever else for speaking to eachother in their own language? how about ONSLAUGHT, Time Mage, and Sensenic? would it be netiquette to tell them to speak English or please find another place to post?
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| ONSLAUGHT 2489th Post
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| "Like lambs to the slaughter..." , posted Wed 10 Dec 19:47
Well, this is a question for Darkzero:
Do you really (and I really mean, honestly) think Gia's drawings are "pathetic children's drawings"? Or are you just going with the crowd there?
He has a nice style, and when coloring is applied, his drawings look superb (just look at his Ash drawing, it's beautiful).
I think he was bashed for no reason, and I didn't see any spam on his part (he just posted his drawings, and wanted some feedback); I think he made the mistake of repeating his images once, but that's because the uploader switched servers (or something like that). Anyway, I really like Gia's drawings, too bad he was butchered by the angry mob.
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| Saiki
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| "Re(1):Like lambs to the slaughter..." , posted Wed 10 Dec 20:14
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Well, this is a question for Darkzero:
Do you really (and I really mean, honestly) think Gia's drawings are "pathetic children's drawings"? Or are you just going with the crowd there?
He has a nice style, and when coloring is applied, his drawings look superb (just look at his Ash drawing, it's beautiful).
I think he was bashed for no reason, and I didn't see any spam on his part (he just posted his drawings, and wanted some feedback); I think he made the mistake of repeating his images once, but that's because the uploader switched servers (or something like that). Anyway, I really like Gia's drawings, too bad he was butchered by the angry mob.
Gia posted 20+ of his artwork at once on more than one occasion. And it completely wiped the board of previous sprite edits, good screenshots, and good company artworks. This is the main thing that caused everyone to be mad at gia.
And yes, his artwork is pretty bad actually.
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| iggy 2268th Post
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| "Re(1):separate but equal" , posted Thu 11 Dec 00:48:
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look at this board. should we condemn iggy, NARUTO, and whoever else for speaking to eachother in their own language? how about ONSLAUGHT, Time Mage, and Sensenic? would it be netiquette to tell them to speak English or please find another place to post?
Well, I think we foreigners try to speak the language of the board (I mean english) and most of the time, we get what we mean to be understood. Our french-only or spanish-only are extremely rare, and if someone (I mean, some long time respected poster, not a jackass newbie) came and asked us to stop, I think most of us would. Most of the foreign language discution is usually OT (well, out topic of a board largely gone without topic at times), nobody pops in and says "where are the pics of KOF 2003?" in french or spanish, waiting for the others to answer him in his language and thinking the others could do the effort to speak it and not only english like selfish bastards (the asshole on the uploader was even worse than that, but I think he actually said something like this..)
Please tell me we are less a pain in the ass then those guys. I totally understand the reactions of the japanese people, I think I would have gone to with the racist answers too at their place. They were really patients, they took time to explain what the guys were doing wrong, but...
Oh well, seeing such assholes makes me really angry.
Dark Zero : sorry... When I do so, please ask me to translate, I think most of the time it won't interest the non japanese speakers so I don't translate.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 2556th Post
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| "Re(2):separate but equal" , posted Thu 11 Dec 01:32:
don't worry about it. you guys aren't that bad at all. feel free to speak whatever language you want here. i only used your names as an example to take a quick stab at Chupiler. anyways, i think that's one of the things that makes this place so great. a gathering of cultures, nations, languages, and customs. take the best things from each of our worlds and put them together. that's how i see this board
most of the time when i see one of those threads, i'll glance over it and just ignore it thereafter, knowing they're little messages to the French/Spanish/Japanese community. if i'm bored/curious/in the mood, i'll whip out a translator and peek in on your conversations. and sometimes i'll try to join in with the most broken French/Spanish/Japanese you'll ever encounter. but anyways, a lot of us make threads specifically for the attention of one or a few individuals in English. i think that if other people want to make those kinds of threads in other languages, then they should have the freedom to do so
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i reread my post a couple of times and it's filled with very strange grammar. it's about four in the morning and my brain is starting to melt. i need sleep caffeine. oh yeah, sorry for the weird sentence structure. it hurts my brain too
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| VManOfMana 280th Post
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| "Re(2):SvC Chaos Uploader Chaos" , posted Sat 13 Dec 08:37:
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Their problems would be solve if the board had a moderator.
Well, personally I think that self-moderation should be enough to have a BBS up and running. The fact that a moderator is needed is just an indication that people have no idea of what self-control is, and therefore know nothing (or just ignore) about things like netiquette or simply being polite.
I think the case of people like mar (or whoever did the last comment about the BBS people are racist) is just an example of the kind of spoiled kids who think that they can do whatever they want just because they can go there. They don't even bother to read rules. Granted, the rules may be in Japanese, but if the site is in Japanese, its logical that they expect you to use the language, and if the kind of images poster are sprite rips and official art, it is just out of place (and rude) to post non relevant images.
This guy's attitude reminds me of the morons who come to the IRC channel I frequent and the first thing they type is "!list" even though the topic specifically says that it is not a leeching channel. Worse, they sometimes come back and whine at us because of that.
I am SICK of people who do not follow any netiquette.
And actually, that's why I like this board. People in here has self control. People here knows what is okay to post and what is not okay to post, and if someting can become a bother (like the risque avatars and sigs although they are still within board rules), it is possible to talk politely about it. I think the only big example of the "netmoron" I described above is that SNK fanboy that Professor got rid of a good while ago.
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I interpreted the message at the top as Japanese language only. I wasn't offeneded. I don't think there's anything to bicker about in that area.
Same here. The first I thought was about a language restriction, something that makes complete sense considering that the site is in Japan.
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