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threesixtee

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"evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 11:42

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I usually treat the word "evangelion" like some forbidden word around here, since it usually causes so much controversey... but it looks like eva is actually in the news for real, non-anime debate related controversey...

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OmegaDog

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"Re(1):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 11:50

... the hell!?

Anti-social? Didn't get out enough? Too gullible? Unable to separate fantasy from reality? What the hell was running through this (22-year-old) kid's mind before watching Eva?

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Undead Fred

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"Re(1):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 12:43:

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I usually treat the word "evangelion" like some forbidden word around here, since it usually causes so much controversy...

Well, regardless of what people here think of the show, and I haven't watched it yet, but I will say this- Rei is very cute.

Anyway, people need to stop blaming anything other than the person responsible for things like that. I mean, someone who gets "must kill" messages from the TV has something wrong with them...

THAT'S DANNY. His hometown is New Orleans.

[this message was edited by Undead Fred on Tue 2 Dec 12:46]

DarkZero

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"Re(2):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 12:59

Could any of the Japanese natives here explain why on Earth the PROSECUTOR would bring this crap up? In the United States, the prosecutor's job is to put up with this stupid bullshit for about five seconds before pointing out that media does not cause violence or insanity, certainly when millions of others have watched it, and perhaps the defendant's attorney should find a more reasonable defense. In Japan, it's the opposite?

Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(3):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 13:50

If someone is unbalanced enough to be able to commit an act of this fashion, they'll do it eventually, whatever the stimulus. Simple as that.

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Radish

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"Re(3):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 13:52:

A representative from Gainax released the following statement:
"Evangelion is seriously old dudes. If this guy is going to use our stupid cartoons for his life's purpose he should al least be watching Mahoromatic and tring to have sex with robots, or in his case his toaster."

[this message was edited by Radish on Tue 2 Dec 13:53]

StickClick
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"Re(4):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 14:50

So he used a bat, eh?

Was he watching any FLCL inbetween Eva?

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TiamatRoar

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"Re(5):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 15:06

So.... when do we start having the mass rabid SNK fanboy murderors start strolling around the streets killing people saying they're paving the way for Orochi's cleansing? And when they get arrested, they'll argue that it wasn't their fault because they were under riot of the blood at the time.

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"Re(5):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 15:07

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So he used a bat, eh?

Was he watching any FLCL inbetween Eva?

FLCL really teaches you how to use bats, Fender Stratocasters, Vespas and irons in real life threatening situations.

Watching Evangelion can make you go crazy?
Then I guess watching Gainax's EBICHU will make you go insane!

iggy

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"Re(6):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 15:27

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Then I guess watching Gainax's EBICHU will make you go insane!

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Holiday

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"Re(7):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 15:48

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Ebichu learns you a very important lesson for everyday life : wash your dildos, especially if they are not yours.

But... if they are not my dildos, how can they be mine to be washed in the first place?

A VICIOUS CYCLE

See? Even talking about the Ebichu makes you a little insane, but you can't help it because of the tortoise of it all.
at least about popo talking...

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Hungrywolf

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"Re(1):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 17:17

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I usually treat the word "evangelion" like some forbidden word around here, since it usually causes so much controversey... but it looks like eva is actually in the news for real, non-anime debate related controversey...

I always knew Evangelion would cause death. However, I thought it'd be because someone was trying to figure out all the deep meanings that the series doesn't really have (much like the Matrix).

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Satoshi_Miwa

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"Re(1):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 18:28

Pfft, this is as stupid as someone going crazy over a song about a kids slide. Lame, and hopefully they lock the guy up for a long, long time...

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Kaepora

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"Re:Evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 18:39

Men in Black taught me that a [single] person is smart, but [many] people were stupid. Was that also a lie?

Oroch

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"Re(1):Re:Evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 18:43:

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Men in Black taught me that a [single] person is smart, but [many] people were stupid. Was that also a lie?

yes it wasnt

i thought only video games make people homocidal maniacs? and he did it with a bat? how uncreative!

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Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(1):Re:Evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 19:16

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Men in Black taught me that a [single] person is smart, but [many] people were stupid. Was that also a lie?

EVERYTHING IS A LIE

Actually, that's about the best summation of human society in existence. That said, I doubt the idea was invented by that movie's screenwriters.

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Kaepora

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"Re:Evangelion causes Death (and Rebirth?)" , posted Tue 2 Dec 19:53

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That said, I doubt the idea was invented by that movie's screenwriters.

No, but I am but a poor impressionable person, succeptable to influence from television and Hollywood. Your "books" don't sway me in the same way, probably due to the lack of a sweeping musical score and/or Top 10 tie-in.

Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
The joke was that MiB said one person was smart and many were stupid, but in this case one person was influenced enough to act while the rest just argue about the series on message boards.

Wait, that one might go the other way around too...

End of Spoiler

Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(1):Re:Evangelion causes Death (and Rebirth" , posted Tue 2 Dec 20:00

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No, but I am but a poor impressionable person, succeptable to influence from television and Hollywood. Your "books" don't sway me in the same way, probably due to the lack of a sweeping musical score and/or Top 10 tie-in.

Just so there's no misunderstanding, I wasn't actually attempting to make fun of you. I write like that. Also, I have seen the movie; in fact, I have it on VHS. I OD'ed on it, though - I haven't watched in a long time 'cause it just wasn't interesting anymore.

Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
And if you made a joke, I completely missed it. For someone who considers himself a humorist, I do that disquietingly often.

End of Spoiler

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Undead Fred

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"Re(2):Re:Evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 21:39

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i thought only video games make people homocidal maniacs? and he did it with a bat? how uncreative!

Yeeees... a baseball bat... like Grand Theft Auto.... He must have played that game and it possessed his mind.

DOOM possesses people's minds, too.

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OmegaDog

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"Re(1):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 22:17

There have been several posts here that are assuming that the prosecutors are indeed blaming Evangelion for inspiring the 22-year-old kid to kill -- and the report does seem to portray the prosecutors as saying such.

However, could there be an instance of the game of telephone here from the prosecutors to the reporters to the readers (ourselves)? There's a possibility they're not making a case against Eva, but rather that he may have already been crazy and happened to snap with Eva (as Krzyzewski also mentioned earlier).

Hence, I don't exactly know if we should go about the route yet again of complaining about how members of society are again blaming the media for society's ills. (Or maybe it's just that I like to hold on to some sort of optimism that people are smarter than to argue something like that, especially with this 22-year-old kid being the exception and not the rule of people who watch Eva.)

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DarkZero

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"Re(2):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 22:29

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There have been several posts here that are assuming that the prosecutors are indeed blaming Evangelion for inspiring the 22-year-old kid to kill -- and the report does seem to portray the prosecutors as saying such.

However, could there be an instance of the game of telephone here from the prosecutors to the reporters to the readers (ourselves)? There's a possibility they're not making a case against Eva, but rather that he may have already been crazy and happened to snap with Eva (as Krzyzewski also mentioned earlier).

Hence, I don't exactly know if we should go about the route yet again of complaining about how members of society are again blaming the media for society's ills.

My question wasn't a complaint or anything even vaguely about The Man blaming video games again. It was a purely pragmatic question and I was genuinely curious about the Japanese legal system. In the United States, you would not usually hear of a prosecutor bringing up the defendant's obsession with a TV show or any other hint of insanity. That would be handing an insanity plea to the defense attorney on a silver platter. American prosecutors usually just present the evidence that the accused committed the crime and don't pay any mind to his deranged philosophies unless it serves them. This is why I have NEVER, in all of the American cases* where video games are mentioned as a reasoning or stimulus for murder, heard of the prosecution being the one to bring it up. It's only been brought up by defense attorneys defending their clients and civil suit lawyers suing video game companies.

I'm curious as to why Japan is different.

* I'm not inferring that there has been some sort of epidemic of cases where video games are accused of causing murder, because there are actually relatively few, but rather the combination of the small number of criminal cases that have cropped up and the multitude of civil suits that have been based off of every one of them. I believe Columbine had, what... four civil suits? Five? And all with multiple defendants.

KoOkyKyoji
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"Re(3):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 23:12

You guys should all take note that the site where the news is posted from, is also known as the Japanese equivalent of the National Enquirer, so unless it's from a more reliable source. Jeez, give me a break. -_-;;;

And even if it's true, that's still fucked up and really, really stupid.

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"Re(4):evangelion causes death" , posted Tue 2 Dec 23:39

Related story:

Housewife bashed to death with baseball bat

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KumagaiToshiro
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"Re(5):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 00:05

All I gotta say is a what a crock of shit. The only bad thing I've seen from someone who watches too much Eva is a Rei obssesion and lack of a g/f (and, no, it's not me).

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Undead Fred

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"Re(4):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 00:05

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You guys should all take note that the site where the news is posted from, is also known as the Japanese equivalent of the National Enquirer, so unless it's from a more reliable source. Jeez, give me a break. -_-;;;

Aha. I kind of figured.

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Radish

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"Re(5):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 04:58

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You guys should all take note that the site where the news is posted from, is also known as the Japanese equivalent of the National Enquirer, so unless it's from a more reliable source. Jeez, give me a break. -_-;;;
Aha. I kind of figured.

I think MD's news section is pretty acurate so I have no reason to believe that this didn't happen. It's the waiwai section with it's "Sex roulette sweeping the nation!" stories that I'm less likely to believe.

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"Kid commits suicide due to YugiOH!" , posted Wed 3 Dec 05:53:

About a month ago the press here stated that a kid commited suicide in order to "use" a card of the game YugiOH! The card supposedly allows you to kill a "beast" and then let it be reborn with renewed strenght, the card was named "haged man"... The stupid lawsuit & persecution was dropped after they realized that there it wasn't such a card in the Yugi OH! card game... This would have been funny if three people wouldn't have commited suicide stupidly due to a fake card.

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I'm curious as to why Japan is different.

All of these things of "video games are at fault" are nothing but nonsense, I mean; I have been hitting people with bricks & breaking arms before either watching TV or playing videogames, wait; that didn't come out right.... Maybe it has to do with me starting to drink at 8.

.... And to think that some people are happy that I'm under permanent mediaction ¬_¬

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Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(6):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 06:15

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I think MD's news section is pretty acurate so I have no reason to believe that this didn't happen. It's the waiwai section with it's "Sex roulette sweeping the nation!" stories that I'm less likely to believe.

Sex roulette?

More detail please. And what does waiwai mean?

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"Re(4):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 06:23

I'm surprised the whole "sensational news stories which have to do with Japan" have appeared again so soon on this BBS.

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You guys should all take note that the site where the news is posted from, is also known as the Japanese equivalent of the National Enquirer, so unless it's from a more reliable source. Jeez, give me a break. -_-;;;

Ah, now it all makes sense.

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Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(5):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 06:28

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I'm surprised the whole "sensational news stories which have to do with Japan" have appeared again so soon on this BBS.

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Radish

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"Re(7):evangelion causes death" , posted Wed 3 Dec 10:02

quote:
I think MD's news section is pretty acurate so I have no reason to believe that this didn't happen. It's the waiwai section with it's "Sex roulette sweeping the nation!" stories that I'm less likely to believe.

Sex roulette?

More detail please. And what does waiwai mean?

Waiwai is their wacky story section and generally it's sex related. Sex roulette was when girls would have unprotected sex repeatedly intentionally risking getting pregnant. I'm sure it happens but not to the degree the article made it out to.