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GekigangerV

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"Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 14:40

Well CNN money has put up the findings of some group who goes out and does this kinda stuff. Link Here

Its seems pretty basic. Ninja turtles, X-Men, Power Rangers. Is Jak really anybad?

2 Fast 2 Furious? The kids care about that stuff?

I know Manhunt is supposed to be bad, but I don't think they try to market it towards kids like most of the other products are.

Terminator 3 isn't as marketed towards kids as the second one was. All the figures made for the third movie are all just cool collectable stuff you can't really play with. But for the second movie there was that car with the missle launcher the break away T-1000 and a whole bunch of other TOYS really geared towards children.

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Joe Randel
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"Re(1):OT: What do you do??" , posted Mon 24 Nov 15:09

Wow... Ninja Turtles, X-Men, Power Rangers, Transformers, wrestling figures...

Did I just fall back in to the 90's? Weren't these toy's getting flak 10 years ago too? Gee I feel old.

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Minuteman
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"Re(2):OT: What do you do??" , posted Mon 24 Nov 15:26

I think its great that Ninja Turtles are coming back. The area where the original creators are from (Northampton/Hadley/Amherst MA) is near where I live, so it's a matter of personal pride to see them continue on =]

The original comics were wonderful and there used to be a measeum here called "Words & Pictures" that was helped out greatly by the creators of Ninja Turtles. Sadly, it's gone now =( It was a comic book measeum basically and I got to meet many well known artists there over the years. My fav. was meeting James O Barr - the creator of "The Crow". Excellent stuff...

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Gojira

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"Re(1):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 15:32

quote:
Well CNN money has put up the findings of some group who goes out and does this kinda stuff. Link Here

Its seems pretty basic. Ninja turtles, X-Men, Power Rangers. Is Jak really anybad?

2 Fast 2 Furious? The kids care about that stuff?

I know Manhunt is supposed to be bad, but I don't think they try to market it towards kids like most of the other products are.

Terminator 3 isn't as marketed towards kids as the second one was. All the figures made for the third movie are all just cool collectable stuff you can't really play with. But for the second movie there was that car with the missle launcher the break away T-1000 and a whole bunch of other TOYS really geared towards children.

At first, I agree but looking at their choices, this is hilarious. I think "kids" in this case is specifically teens, otherwise Manhunt or Jak II wouldn't even make the list.

Joe Randel
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"Re(1):OT: What do you do??" , posted Mon 24 Nov 15:58

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My fav. was meeting James O Barr - the creator of "The Crow". Excellent stuff...

You met James O Barr! That's so cool!

Joe

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OmegaDog

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"Re(2):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 16:25

Sad to say, there are parents out there that actually need lists similar to this list. Back home, one of our own neighbors, a set of parents, has been buying whatever games their son wishes for -- and has been since the son was in the 2nd grade. (I believe he's currently in 7th.) Games like Twisted Metal Black and GTA 3 / Vice City are currently in his collection, as well as a bunch of other M-Rated games that "aren't wussy games" (as he likes to describe 'em).

... and he's a sugar-hyper kid who requires Ritalin and goes to a special-needs school.

I haven't really said anything to the parents (it's a sticky situation, recommending what parents shouldn't be doing for their kids) -- but just like we might say that young children shouldn't be watching movies like Scarface, games like the GTA series shouldn't really be in his collection.

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Henaki
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"Re(3):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 17:07

The thing is, parents just think that the medai should censor stuff for their kids, so the parents can just hand their kids money and ignore them, it's pretty much how the late 80's/90's generation of kids has been treated, hell, I'm one of them. I'm lucky enough to have morals and understand that I'm not going to be treated like a prince my whole life.

I honestly don't think there's anything "wrong" with violent video games, just so long as the parents actually watch over their kids and make sure the kids know it's a game. Now, there should definetly be no kids under 16 playing GTA, but I can sympathize a 12 year old playing Jak II as long as a parent is watching over them.

So...how about those...things....

Ishmael

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"Re(4):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 18:32

What the hell is that Transformer supposed to be in the photo that goes along with the article? I know that toy line could get abstract [a typical description of the toys could be "It's a thing that sort of looks a robot that turns into a blob that kind of resembles a car"] but that one has me baffled. Did a know-nothing adult try to assemble the toy instead of a child who would have had no problem with transforming it properly?

DarkZero

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"Re(4):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 18:49

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The thing is, parents just think that the medai should censor stuff for their kids, so the parents can just hand their kids money and ignore them, it's pretty much how the late 80's/90's generation of kids has been treated, hell, I'm one of them. I'm lucky enough to have morals and understand that I'm not going to be treated like a prince my whole life.

Don't let a few overpublicized fools convince you that most of the nation's parents are ignorant jackasses. You say that "parents" just want the media to censor everything for their kids, but really, are any of these companies going out of business? Was there a massive public backlash against Naughty Dog for developing Jak II? Or against Playmates for making the Ninja Turtles toys? Of course not. These jackasses scream loudly and shrilly and get lots of attention from the media, but they get that attention because the articles get people riled up and send them into rants about how everyone but them is a stupid jackass... all while linking to the newspaper article that started their rant, providing more hits and a big, free advertisement for the news site that just hornswoggled them.

Most parents are buying their kids Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles toys, Power Rangers toys, and games like Jak II. They're also obviously not buying them games like Manhunt, because Manhunt was just thrown in there as a safety group to make the list appear as if it were somehow more sane than "Sister Judith's Top Ten Satanic Toys of 2003" (first place: Harry Potter, second: yarmulkas). We all have our anecdotes about those three or four kids out of the one thousand or two thousand that we attended middle school with whose parents fucked them up in ways mere mortals can scarcely imagine, but the truth is that most parents are sane, moderate individuals just like you and I. And that's why the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles toys are selling like gangbusters all across the country.

I know you'd like to rant at them, or make fun of them, or point out the flaws in their ideals or methodology... but please, don't. I'd certainly like to and I bet it would be great exercise for my rarely used Cynicism and Insult Glands, but in cases where the media attempts to piss you off for their own amusement and continued profitability, I think you just to have to follow the sagely advice of Paul Anka:

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talbaineric

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"Re(1):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 19:41

*LOL* Yeah,you'd be surprised. In today's culture,even little kids eat up the stupid shit like Fast and the Furious.

I'm also glad to see TMNT have returned with a vengeance. I wanna get the PS2 game soon.

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dorikyasu

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"Re(5):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 19:59

Quote from the article

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"Like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, this is another television-generated brand with the message that the best way to solve problems is through violence," White said, noting that while Power Rangers are portrayed as good guys they solve problems by fighting.

Yet G.I. Joe is suspiciously absent from that list. Didn't know G.I. Joe solved international conflicts through non-violent methods. Interesting...

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CrazyMike

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"Re(6):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 20:16

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Yet G.I. Joe is suspiciously absent from that list. Didn't know G.I. Joe solved international conflicts through non-violent methods. Interesting...

Depends on the G.I. Joe, they phased out the action figures years ago and the dolls are more of a collectable than a toy.

dorikyasu

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"Re(7):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 20:31

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Depends on the G.I. Joe, they phased out the action figures years ago and the dolls are more of a collectable than a toy.

Sure about that?

new G.I. Joe action figure line-up

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Ammadeau

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"Re(2):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Mon 24 Nov 20:37

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*LOL* Yeah,you'd be surprised. In today's culture,even little kids eat up the stupid shit like Fast and the Furious.

I'm also glad to see TMNT have returned with a vengeance. I wanna get the PS2 game soon.

Don't. It sucks. Rent if you must.

Minuteman
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"James O Barr" , posted Mon 24 Nov 21:22

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My fav. was meeting James O Barr - the creator of "The Crow". Excellent stuff...

You met James O Barr! That's so cool!

Joe

Yup, waited in line over 3 hours. At first he would sign ANYTHING you brought, then they limited it just TWO items and they HAD to have been something from the store where they were pushing all his works. Ah well, still was worth it! I can imagine his hand was getting tired from signing books all day...

Krzyzewski Man
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"Starting an Argument Over James O Barr" , posted Mon 24 Nov 21:59

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My fav. was meeting James O Barr - the creator of "The Crow". Excellent stuff...

You met James O Barr! That's so cool!

Sadly, it is not. I hold the Crow directly responsible for the second-rate spew that is Goth literature. Ridiculous prose that attempts to be "freaky" and "on-the-edge." Every protagonist a Christ figure. Goths actually trying to use their minds. It's all rather horrifying to me. Whatever artistic merit was found in the Crow is but a petit four in a sea of watery dung.

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Joe Randel
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"Re(1):Starting an Argument Over James O Barr" , posted Tue 25 Nov 05:57

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Sadly, it is not. I hold the Crow directly responsible for the second-rate spew that is Goth literature. Ridiculous prose that attempts to be "freaky" and "on-the-edge." Every protagonist a Christ figure. Goths actually trying to use their minds. It's all rather horrifying to me. Whatever artistic merit was found in the Crow is but a petit four in a sea of watery dung.

Gee that's harsh. I don't know, I always thought it was cool. I read the first and second books but never the third (I think it had a woman in it who died). I liked the native story. But then what do I know... I read the Sandman too :)

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Daala

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"Re(1):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Tue 25 Nov 06:27

LOL, they listed the Matrix toys as well...like you'd give those to kids...heh

talbaineric

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"Re(3):Most violent toys this holiday season." , posted Tue 25 Nov 06:41

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*LOL* Yeah,you'd be surprised. In today's culture,even little kids eat up the stupid shit like Fast and the Furious.

I'm also glad to see TMNT have returned with a vengeance. I wanna get the PS2 game soon.

Don't. It sucks. Rent if you must.

Really? Aw. That's a bummer.

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Krzyzewski Man
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"Re(2):Starting an Argument Over James O Barr" , posted Tue 25 Nov 06:58

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But then what do I know... I read the Sandman too :)

Joe

The Sandman is very different. For one thing, it's not all about the pale, skinny, angsty guy. Neil Gaiman is one of the all-time great comic writers, indeed one of the greatest writers of his generation.

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