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| TiamatRoar 559th Post
 
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|  "Re(5):KOF2003 site updated"
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I think KoF isn't an alternate reality. Geese fell off the building twice... Krizalid get's smashed by a rock by sick psychopaths and survives.
Krizalid being mashed never happened. Er... well, more specifically, it DID happen but then Playmore retroactively changed history so that it didn't happen. The way Krizalid was officially saved by Zero directly contradicts what was shown in the KOF 99 endings (it's stated in 2k1 that Zero saved him from being crushed, whereas in KOF 99 you clearly see him getting crushed and there's even an ending dedicated to showing you his CORPSE for crying out loud).
If KOF isn't in an alternate universe, then perhaps Playmore is doing the same thing with Geese, here, by retroactively changing the fact that he's supposed to be dead (or maybe they just added that he just saved himself from the fall, like he did in FF1. ...which was also kind of a retroactive change, really. Hey, who said only Capcom did these sorts of things? :P). Although... how MOTW could happen if Geese were still alive is beyond me.
An alternative explanation I've seen is that SNK used to care about the continuity of its storylines but now Playmore just doesn't give a damn.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Gen 2250th Post
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| "Re(1):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Thu 20 Nov 13:33:
Compucius say:
世界最大規模にして最高水準の格闘大会。
It is made a largest-in-the-world scale, and is a grapple convention of the highest level.
「キング・オブ・ファイターズ」
"King OBU Fighters"
その舞台上でルガールは倒れ、オロチが封じられ、ネスツもまた崩壊していった。
RUGARU fell on the stage, OROCHI was stopped, and NESUTSU also collapsed.
繰り広げられていた数々のドラマ。
Many dramas currently unfolded.
だが、それらは如何なる時も何らかの厚い幕で覆い隠され、大衆の目に触れることはなかったのである。
But, it was covered by a certain thick curtain at any times, and they did not touch popular eyes.
そんな因縁を含みつつ、今年もキング・オブ・ファイターズ開催が決定した。
King OBU Fighters holding was also determined this year, such connection being included.
大会の主催者はまたしても謎の存在であり、その不透明さを受け、さまざまな場所で、さまざまな憶測が乱れ飛ぶ。
He is existence of a mystery again, and the sponsor of a convention receives the opacity, and various guesses are confused and he flies in various places.
しかしそれにも関わらず、続々と参加を表明する歴戦の格闘家たち。
However, the grapple houses of the long record of active service which announces participation one after another in spite of it
知名度の高い参加者が多数いることを確かめると、それまで慎重だった各メディアも、一斉にKOFを取り上げはじめた。
When it confirmed that there were many notable participants, each prudent media also began to take up KOF all at once till then.
今大会から導入される新ルール「マルチシフト」、つまり自由交代制の発表を境に、それは社会現象にまで発展し、世界中の話題を独占してゆく。
Bordering on the announcement of the new rule now introduced from a convention "a multi-shift", i.e., free shift operations, it develops even into a social phenomenon and monopolizes the subject in the world.
スピーディーな試合展開と、チーム単位の戦術が同時に要求されるこのルールを巡り、新聞・雑誌は毎週のように特集記事を組み、TVでは、にわか評論家たちが机を叩いて熱弁をふるう日々が続いた。
Involving this rule of which the tactics of a team unit are simultaneously required as speedy game deployment, the newspaper and the magazine constructed the special feature article like every week, and the days on which sudden critics pound a desk and use a fervent speech continued by TV.
「まだまだ世界には、とてつもなく強い連中がいる」
"A strong absurd party is in the world still more."
牙刀、グリフォンマスク、デュオロン、シェン・ウー。
牙刀, a GURIFON mask, DEYUORON, SHIEN U.
……そして、アッシュ・クリムゾン。
...., the ash Crimson.
彼らの名前がネットを通じて次第に知られるようになったのは、まさにこのKOF騒ぎが契機であったのだ。
This very KOF noise of their name having come to be gradually known through the network was an opportunity.
彼らはKOFに波乱を巻き起こす新星になれるのか？
Do they get used to the nova which creates ups and downs to KOF?
それとも……
Or ....
熱狂の日々の中、着々と準備は進む。
Preparation progresses steadily in every day of frenzy.
地方大会のステージが決定され、日程が整い、初戦の地に続々と移動する観客たち。
The spectators who the stage of a local competition is determined, and a schedule is ready, and move to the ground of the first game one after another
ストリートファイトの雰囲気を演出すべく、会場は市中に設定されたが、試合の模様は巨大スクリーンで中継放送されることとなり、期間中、数万人収容規模のスタジアムが、あちこちの都市で確保されてゆく。
That the atmosphere of a street fight should be directed, although the hall was set up in the city, the pattern of a game will be broadcast live on a huge screen and the stadium of tens of thousands of people accommodation scale is secured during a period in a city here and there.
2003年12月。
December, 2003.
時は訪れた。
It visited at the time.
今年も舞台の幕が上がる。
The curtain of the stage also goes up this year.
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Compucius also say:
「ヘイヘイヘイ! どきなチンピラ。そこは俺の席だぜ?」
"HEIHEIHEI! A punk [ move / aside ]. that is my seat -- ぜ?"
「……」
" ...."
「シカトかよ。ギース様、このカンフー野郎、少し教育してやりましょうか?」
"-- SHIKATO . Mr. GISU and this kung fu guy -- I educate a few "
「犬に譲る場所などない」
"There is no place yielded to a dog."
「……よく聞こえなかったぜ。もう一度言ってみな?」
" .... ぜ which was not often able to be heard. It says once again and is everybody ?."
「飼い犬の居場所は犬小屋だと言った。これで満足か?」
"It was said that room of a pet dog was a doghouse. Is it satisfaction now? "
「てめぇ……」
"てめぇ ...."
「ヒャハハハ、いいぜ兄ちゃんたち。見物してやるよ。とっととおっぱじめな!」
"HYAHAHAHA, good ぜ兄ちゃん and others The sights are seen. It is おっぱじめな at a brisk pace! "
それが、初めて3人が顔を会わせた日の、それぞれの第一声だった。
It was each opening words of the day when three persons made the face meet for the first time.
イギリス出身の棒術使い、ビリー・カーン。
Staff usage of the British graduate, Billy Kern.
闇のブローカー、山崎竜二。
An illegal broker, Ryuji Yamazaki.
そして、ゆったりとした拳法着をまとった長髪の男。
And the man of the long hair clothed in the Chinese martial art arrival carried out calmly.
「確かてめぇ、牙刀とか言ったよな。長生きしたけりゃ、口の利き方を学習しな」
"-- surely -- てめぇ and 牙刀 -- it said -- よな The way of having lived long depending on which it kicks and ゃ and a mouth are effective is learned."
「……」
" ...."
八極拳を始めとする剛系の拳法を使いこなすというその男は、まだ若く、がっしりとした体格で、そして周囲の空気を張り詰めさせる何かを持っていた。が、それで臆するような殊勝な人間は、この広い部屋の中に一人もいない。
The man of mastering the Chinese martial art of 剛 systems including 8 極拳 was still young, and had something with which the air of the physique carried out strongly and the circumference is covered. As for が, then praiseworthy man who fears, there is not one person in this large room, either.
その彼らを一堂に集めることができる人物もまた、この街に1人しかいない。
Only one person of the person who can assemble the them in a hall is in this town.
ギース・ハワード。
GISU Howard.
ハワード・コネクションの総帥にして、古武術の達人。そして裏社会に巨大な権力を持つ、闇の支配者である。
It is made the Howard connection's chief and is the expert of an old martial art. And it is the illegal ruler who has huge power in back society.
「手をとって親愛のダンスを踊れ、とは言わんが……」
It is "although it does not say "Take a hand and dance a dear dance" ...."
苦々しく葉巻を揉み消したギースは、深く腰掛けたまま、革張りのイスを180度回転させ、全員に背を向けた。
Sat deeply, GISU which smothered the cigar disgustingly rotated leather-covered ISU 180 degrees, and turned the back to all the members.
「クライアントの前では、もう少し仲の良いフリをしてはどうだ?」
carrying out good FURI of relations to a slight degree in front of "client -- ?"
周囲を見下ろす高層ビルの最上階からは、彼の街、サウスタウンが一望できる。
A whole view of his town and a south town can be commanded from the highest story of the skyscraper which overlooks the circumference.
「クライアントだと? この俺を雇ったつもりか」
If it is "client. Does he think that this I was employed?"
牙刀は立ち上がった。
牙刀 rose.
「くだらん。俺は格闘大会などに興味はない。帰らせてもらうぞ」
"It does not go down. Interest does not have me in a grapple convention etc. I am allowed to return."
ビリーは肩をすくめ”好きにするがいいさ”と小さく呟き、ギースは背中を向けたままで言った。
Billy -- the shoulder -- ducking -- " -- although it was made to like, good さ" was murmured small, and GISU was said, with the back turned
「この街……サウスタウンには、様々な人間がやってくる」
"-- this town .... various human beings come to a south town -- "
牙刀はギースの言葉を無視して、ドアに足を向けた。
牙刀 disregarded the language of GISU and turned the leg to the door.
「例えば、行方不明の兄を探している日本人の少女とか、な」
the Japanese who is looking for ", for example, a missing elder brother, -- a girl -- "
牙刀の足が止まった。
The leg of 牙刀 stopped.
「だから何だ。俺には関係ない」
"Therefore, it is what. It is not related to me."
「それはそうだ。だが、この街には他にも大勢人間がやってくる。貴様によく似た拳法使いが、その中にいたとの報告がないこともない」
"It is so. But, otherwise, man comes many to this town. There is not no report that the Chinese martial art usage just like you was required in it."
ハワード・コネクションは、サウスタウンのあらゆる情報を手中に収めている。牙刀もそのことは重々承知している。
The Howard connection has stored all the information on a south town in his hands. That consents also to 牙刀 repeatedly.
「ヤツがこの街に? 何の目的で……まさか、KOFに」
"YATSU is in this town. It is what purpose.... It is " to KOF by no means.
「それはわからん。だが、数百万の人間の中に紛れ込んだ男を、貴様一人で探すのは不可能だ。簡単な話ではないか? 貴様は大会で優勝する。私は貴様の目的をかなえてやる。貸し借りはなしだ」
"It is not understood. But, it is impossible to look for the man lost into millions of human beings by one you person. Isn't it an easy talk? You wins the victory in a convention. I fulfill the purpose of you. The loan is nothing."
「……フン。よかろう。その話、のってやってもいい」
" .... FUN. It will be good. The talk," which may get
「ケッ、面白くねえ野郎だ。ギース様、俺はこいつらと出場するくらいなら、犬とでも組んだほうがマシだと思いますがね」
"KETSU -- being interesting -- it obtains and is a guy Mr. GISU and I are although it will think that the way which also constructed the dog is MASHI if it participates with these."
「ギャハハハ、てめぇはなにしろ飼い犬だからな。犬同士で気が合うだろうよ!」
"GYAHAHAHA and てめぇ are pet dogs anyway -- since It will get along well with dogs! "
「山崎てめぇ……」
"Yamasaki てめぇ ...."
「おっと、犬が客に吠えかかるたぁ、躾がなってないぜ。なぁギースさんよ?」
"ぜ from which a dog barks at a visitor and this たぁ and upbringing do not serve as おっ. Mr. なぁ GISU -- ?"
「薄汚ぇヘビ野郎が。静かにさせてやろうか? あぁ?!」
"A thin 汚ぇ snake guy Is it quiet? あぁ?!"
「よさんか、ビリー」
"It is [ whether it gives up and ] Billy."
ビリーも血の気が多すぎる方だし、山崎にいたっては血を見るのが何よりの楽しみという屈折した精神構造を持っている。ギースという存在がこの場にいなければ、5秒もたたないうちに血みどろの殺し合いを始めたことだろう。
Billy is also a too hot-blooded direction, and if Yamasaki is reached, seeing blood has the refracted moral structure of pleasure above all. Probably, desperate murder 合い was begun before 5 second had passed, if the existence of GISU was not in this place.
「……とにかくだ、今回のKOFには、お前たち3人で参加してもらう。報酬は充分にくれてやるし、必要な情報は組織を上げて調査してやる。これはビジネスだ。それも破格の好条件だと思うがね」
" .... I have you participate in だ and this KOF by three of you anyhow. Fully giving remuneration, required information raises and investigates an organization. This is business. Although it is also regarded as their being extraordinary good conditions"
山崎は表情に狂気を漂わせ、ニヤニヤと笑い続けている。
Yamasaki should set insanity adrift on expression -- with a grin -- と -- it is continuing laughing
牙刀は無表情のまま、ギースから視線を外さない。
牙刀 does not remove a look from GISU, while it has been expressionless.
ビリーは不満と不快を露にしてはいるが、ギースへの忠誠心はそれを上回るようで、今は構えていた自慢の棒も手元に収め、おとなしくしていた。
Although Billy made dissatisfaction and displeasure open, the stick of boast which was being now established as the loyalty to GISU exceeded it was also stored at hand, and was made gentle.
「異存がないなら結構だ」
"It will be splendid if unanimous."
ギースはイスを再び回し、結成されたばかりの「チーム」のメンバーに顔を向けた。
GISU turned ISU again and turned the face to the member of the "team" just formed.
「貴様等にチームワークなど期待してはいないが、KOFで優勝はしてもらう。それ以外の結果で報酬を期待してもらっては困るぞ」
"Although you etc. is not expected in teamwork etc., I have a championship carried out by KOF. It will be troubled if I have remuneration expected by the other result."
「それ以外の結果?」
"Other result ?"
口調には皮肉も冗談も混じっていない。牙刀には揺らぐことのない自信があった。己の力に対する自負が、それを言わせた。
Neither irony nor a joke is mixed with the tone. There was confidence not swinging in 牙刀. The self-confidence to itself's power made it say.
「俺が参加する以上、結果はひとつだ。優勝してやる」
"A result is one if I participate at all. The victory is won."
「結構だ」
"It is splendid."
「おいおい、寛大なギース様よ。俺のお願いは聞いてくれねえのか?」
"Gradually generous Mr. GISU. my wish -- hear it -- does it obtain? "
「……またギャラがどうのとオフィスで暴れられては迷惑だ。言ってみろ」
" .... It is troublesome if a performance fee can riot in how and office again. Say."
「血だよ」
"It is blood."
「……血、だと?」
" .... Blood, だ and ?"
「最近俺ぁ血が騒いで仕方ねぇんだよ……試合でちっとばかし『やりすぎ』ちまうかも知れねぇが、そのへんはよろしく頼むぜぇ」
俺ぁ血 makes noise recently [ "] and it is method ねぇん .... a game -- about ちっ -- " -- doing -- passing -- or [" ちまう ] -- being found -- ねぇ -- the は through which it does not pass -- ぜぇ" it asks well
ギースの目が冷ややかな光を帯びた。が、それも一瞬のことである。
Light with the cold eye of GISU was worn. が and it are also momentary things.
「好きにしろ。『事故』で処理できる範囲でなら、な」
"Make it like. It is in the range which can be processed in the "accident"."
「ヒヒャハハハハ!! ありがてぇぜ! これでやる気も出るってもんだ」
"HIHYAHAHAHAHA!! It is and is がてぇぜ! It is ってもん out of which a motivation also comes now."
「話はそれで終わりだな? では大会当日まで、せいぜい骨休めしておくがよかろう」
"The talk ends with it. Then, it will be good although a rest is taken at most till convention that day."
牙刀と山崎が部屋を後にすると、中にはギースとビリーだけが残された。
Only GISU and Billy were left behind to inside when Yamasaki carried out the room to 牙刀 behind.
「ギース様、今回の大会のことですが……」
"Although it is the thing of Mr. GISU and this convention ...."
「そのことだがビリー、貴様には伝えておかねばならんことがある」
"There is what will not be become if it does not tell Billy and you, although it is that."
「はっ」
"はっ"
「山崎の行動を監視するのは当然だが、あの牙刀という男からも目を離すな。特に奴に接触してくる人間がいたら報告しろ」
"Naturally supervising action of Yamasaki should not let a man called that 牙刀 out of sight but, either. If there is human being in contact with especially a fellow, report."
「承知しました。ところでギース様、今回のKOF、主催者はいったい誰なのです?」
"It has consented. Mr. GISU, this KOF, and a sponsor are by the way, ? which is really whom."
「……」
" ...."
ギースは答えず、再び革張りのイスの背を向けた。
GISU did not answer but turned the back of leather-covered ISU again.
沈黙の後、一礼してビリーも退室した。
After silence, it bowed and Billy also left a room.
チームの3人が再び一堂に会するのは、大会当日のことになる。
It will be convention that day that three persons of a team meet together again.
[this message was edited by Gen on Thu 20 Nov 22:30] |
| Gen 2243th Post
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| "Re(6):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Thu 20 Nov 13:44
quote:
I think KoF isn't an alternate reality. Geese fell off the building twice... Krizalid get's smashed by a rock by sick psychopaths and survives.
Krizalid being mashed never happened. Er... well, more specifically, it DID happen but then Playmore retroactively changed history so that it didn't happen. The way Krizalid was officially saved by Zero directly contradicts what was shown in the KOF 99 endings (it's stated in 2k1 that Zero saved him from being crushed, whereas in KOF 99 you clearly see him getting crushed and there's even an ending dedicated to showing you his CORPSE for crying out loud).
If KOF isn't in an alternate universe, then perhaps Playmore is doing the same thing with Geese, here, by retroactively changing the fact that he's supposed to be dead (or maybe they just added that he just saved himself from the fall, like he did in FF1. ...which was also kind of a retroactive change, really. Hey, who said only Capcom did these sorts of things? :P). Although... how MOTW could happen if Geese were still alive is beyond me.
An alternative explanation I've seen is that SNK used to care about the continuity of its storylines but now Playmore just doesn't give a damn.
There's a description of how Zero saved Krizalid? Donde/ I know the Fighting Obsession book said that Krizalid was the same guy from 99.
Maybe Zero swapped original Krizalid for a clone body for the the military to find.
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| Gen 2249th Post
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| "Re(1):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Thu 20 Nov 22:28
If the Chirzuru reports are true, then she can create coppies of people. This gives 3 or 4 possible sources for coppies of SNK fighters. Chizuru coppies like Kusanagi, (Nests) clones like clone Zero and Ling, and the "Shadow" people like Shadow Kain. Then there may be simple copy cats like clone Zero who is a clone but also a "master of disgise", but the "Shadows" may be different...
The Shadow duplicates may be individual mimics, but I picture them as being a from a secret organization. I guess I have a little bit of a fan fiction that occurs when I play SNK games because there's not enough story filling.
Perhaps all the duplicates of players that you encounter in SNK games can be explained as being one of the above, such as Chizuru mirrors, placed there to manipulate the sequence of events. This is how a Terry vs Terry match could occur and be explained as part of the story, and not just be non-story video game play.
To me the story of 2K3 is suggesting that there is a behind the scene set of actions that have manipulated the world of KoF for years. In 2K3 and or the story it starts, these things will be reveiled.
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| Sensenic 931th Post
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| "Re(4):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 12:46
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As for Geese, I don't remember any irrefutable proof in MotW that his death wasn't faked just like in FF1, since both events involved falling from the exact same building, only this time he's making it look permanent for some reason, at least to the eyes of the vast majority - that'd be yet another excuse for him to refuse Terry's help at the end of Real Bout... we never did see a corpse splattered all over the pavement, did we?... :P
Hmmm... very good point. Probably the best explanation that could be given, but it'd have been way better with Geese dead & buried. IMO.
Because the alternatives....
Chizuru's behind: Yeah okay, sounds possible, but since when is she so conspirative/scheming? And, as aderack pointed out, no one's surprised at his presence.
Geese's Death, aka Real Bout, still hasn't happened: It would make sense if Terry hadn't already changed clothes and if, way more important, Rock wasn't already with him in 2k1.
 Why Playmore, why?
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
Victoria Beckham (not confirmed)
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(7):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 13:25
I'm looking at it this way.
Geese isn't dead, faked his death in RB, etc. That much seems to be so.
Rock isn't with Terry here, so perhaps Geese has him and is training him some (which would explain why Rock has some of Geese's moves). I mean, it's kinda hard to learn moves form someone when they're dead, and even if this IS a video game, you don't just inherit moves from someone by blood. Maybe Geese is doing this to mess with Terry, sicne not much would be better than having to fight someone you've been looking after and respects you.
I'm hoping that maybe Hotaru will show up somewhere, ending, background, hell a hidden character would make me jump with joy.
Oh well, only time will tell what exactly is going on.
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| TiamatRoar 564th Post
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| "Re(6):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 14:12:
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Because non-japanese fans tend to think that EVERYTHING should be explained and have a continuity. Imagine the problems if the SRW games were released in English... I've even seen stupid faqs trying to merge all the Final Fantasy games in one continuity...
Well, discounting Final Fantasy, I think it's a rather reasonable assumption, given the trend. I mean, I believe Nintendo friggin' made (or at least implied) all the Zeldas in one continuity, for crying out loud (which is just crazy, but again, point is that things being in the same continuity seems to be the case more often than not). Though in the less extreme cases, on SNK's side of the fence, you have Last Blade, Kizuna Encounter, Fatal Fury, and Art of Fighting being basically confirmed to be in the same continuity, therefore one could POSSIBLY logically assume that King of Fighters is in that same continuity, too. Why not, after all, when so many other games are within the continuity? The trend would seem to indicate that they are indeed within the same contuity in this case, given all the other examples of games in the SNK universe that are within the same continuity. In addition, it's still not yet proven that KOF is NOT in the same continuity as Fatal Fury, AoF, and everything else (although I am beginning to lean that way, it's still not proven and I wouldn't be surprised at all if an explanation were given by Playmore that would keep things in continuity, even if a rather bullshit one).
I mean, who could have predicted that Megaman LEGENDS was part of the same continuity as Megaman X and Megaman? You can't fault "non-Japanese fans" (are you sure it's just nonJapanese? Because a lot of these worlds where everything is indeed in the same continuity are Japanese-made worlds, you know) for thinking that things are in the same continuity when things really ARE often within the same continuity.
...except in the case of Final Fantasy. Thinking all of those are in the same continuity is just whack. ...okay, admittingly, I see a scary amount of people that take things like Marvel vs Capcom 2 as canon, too, but those are also extreme cases.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| TiamatRoar 565th Post
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| "Re(8):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 18:09:
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AOF is set in the 70's, how could it possibly be in the same continuity as KOF?
And as Toxico stated, SNK and Capcom tend to create the characters and after that try to merge them together in some way, they don't care too much for continuity or cohesive storyline. Or do you really think that there's a master plan behind all the SNK games and suddenly all the inconsistencies will make sense magically someday?
The general assumption was that SNK decided to freeze the ages of the AoF characters after KOF or retconn AoF to take place later when KOF first came out. Of course, the way things are going, it seems that all these fan assumptions will end up being that they should have been thrown out the window. (Oh yea, to Hikaru, the general 'proof' of the game being in the 70's is that Geese is so young in AoF. And also, Ryo is so old in Wild Ambition. And the clothing styles are really 70's. Though not sure if that's hard proof, nor do I know what the official statements state).
Although I don't know too much about Capcom making and prioritizing the characters before the continuity. With the possible (and insanely stupid) exception of Charlie dying in SFA2 being retconned out, I can't think of any important (so no Fei Long movie star or Blanka name crap) retcons that they HAD to do in order to get things to fit into continuity so much as retcons that they decided they wanted to do just for the heck of it because they're idiots (boy, was SFA3 a mess thanks to that...). Basically, I can't think of any retcons Capcom was forced to do in order to make a character fit so much as retcons they did for apparently the sheer heck of it (exactly WHY Capcom decided to rewrite history so that Bison had to blow up in SFA3 then come back in a new body for SF2 was beyond me...)
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Luisinan 580th Post
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| "Re(1):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 18:48
I would be more suprised if Geese WERE NOT a Chizura-shadow. If he is the 'real' and 'true' Geese then SNKP is clearly throwing continuinity out the window. They are either rewriting history (retcon) or they are consciously seperating KOF from Garou continiuity.
Anyway, I get the feeling that Orochi is making a comeback in this game-- or at least has a pivotal role in the storyline. I have mixed feelings on that. On the one hand, I feel disappointed because it seems that SNKP is just using old ideas (Orochi, God's Caliber Team, Rugal). On the other hand, I'm really liking this use of old history. I always liked stories where the heroes have defeated their mortal enemy and have moved on and gotten older and wiser, but then-- oh oh, watch out, what you thought was defeated, wasn't really gone.
See, it's a nice contrast. In '94-97 we had a young, wild and somewhat naive Kyo. Alongside him was also a rather thoughtless Iori. But now they are older and in some ways, they are like the sage or wisemen type characters (in contrast to K'). Kyo is also losing control of himself. So now, it might be a slight retread of the Orochi saga, but now we have a messed up master figure in Kyo with a maybe, more thoughtful Iori by his side. Throw in the new hero team, the next generation of Bernstien Baddies, plus the further evolution of past heroes (K', Shingo) and you got, something special. Something that can be good.
Now that's what I like about KOF. Its a stupid fighting game, but some of the characters do evolve. And their relationships do change. Watching it happen is cool.
Slightly similar scenario-- but whacked out different people. Hopefully this won't be your traditional coming of age hero quest. But maybe your darth vader redemption story with cool fighting bits thrown in.
C'mon Kyo, Join the DARK SIDE. Just so that Iori can bring you back.
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| iggy 2105th Post
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| "Re(9):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 20:05
To sum up everything.
Geese is 26 in AoF2, 40 in Garô SP, and 42 in KOF 96.
Basically, in KOF, characters were given an age in 94, everybody aged of 1 year in 95 and nobody aged after that. Geese is 42 because it's how old he was in Garô 3. On the other hand, the Garô series is set in our time line, with precise dates for the tournaments and dates of birth for everyone (with the exception of MoTW), not just ages (like SS, and unlike AoF). This is why they had to do MoTW, or else Mai would have aged until she lost the fight against gravity, a fight she will win forever in the neverending KOF timeline.
Then, we have Ryô. Ryô is 22 in AoF2 BUT 23 in Garô SP (and 22 in Wild Ambition, which replaces Garô 1)). He then joins KOF at the age of 23, turns 24 in KOF 95 and is still 24 until now. Then, in Buriki One, which happens in 1999, he is 32 and is given a year of birth (1967) for the first time. This 1967 doesn't match with the Garô timeline, neither does it with the young Geese of AoF2, and in 99, he was at the same time 32 AND 24 AND 22 with the look of a man in his 30s. At the same time.
And it's not a matter of interpretation. It's how the developpers create the game and state precisely what is inside. So if you want a coherent story line, you can as well say a huge "screw you!" to the creators of the games and make your own fanfic, but it will NEVER be anything more than that.
My point? Let's stop those continuity talks now and talk about nail art.
Or since most (american) fans seems keen on coherence and such : how do they do with american comics? You know, these things that started 40 years ago, are still running, with characters still about the same age and who never, ever mature in their relationships and are in the same universe until the story gets (re)told in an alternate universe that can anyway crossup with other universes? How can people that read these things can possibly bitch about these games? I mean, it's not like they... [look to the left][look to the right] OK, I think I would better stop now if I want to live.
Oh, and about FF...
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
cough,cough (shinra) cough,cough.
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| Krzyzewski Man
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| "Re(10):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Fri 21 Nov 20:47
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Or since most (american) fans seems keen on coherence and such : how do they do with american comics? You know, these things that started 40 years ago, are still running, with characters still about the same age and who never, ever mature in their relationships and are in the same universe until the story gets (re)told in an alternate universe that can anyway crossup with other universes? How can people that read these things can possibly bitch about these games? I mean, it's not like they... [look to the left][look to the right] OK, I think I would better stop now if I want to live.
Yes. Yes, you should.
Regardless, comics never really need to progress chronologically. Why? The ink doesn't get old! Besides, with the revolving door which American comics often have for writers, altering the scenario often would cause the comics to become really crappy.
Aren't cysts neato?
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| Beats
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| "Re(1):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Sat 22 Nov 06:31
Geese is not dead, remember the sparrow drop from billy kane, that move saved geese from falling down the building in ff and all other ff's (including garou and real bout), and another thing, who do think Grant really is, see the ending for yourself, its says that kaine knew who grant really was (and take notice that grant special moves have taken a page out off the geese howard book).
Geese will not die before he had his revenge on the one who killed his wife, Kaine. It was kaine who was after the number one position in the southtown syndicate (geese's orgisation), so he set up an assination attempt to kill geese, but that didnt work out as planned. he killed his own sister (geese's wife, making kaine his brother in law), by the time this happend rock was already born. Geese faked his death, so his sons life was spared, he didnt want rock to be involved (terry took rock under his wing, i think this selteld the score between the bogard bros and geese, who killed their father, jeff bogard, in battle). later returning to the scene as grant (kaine's bodyguard, like billy was to geese). this i think happend and explaines who the man is still around and kicking butt.
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| Ikari Loona
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| "Re(10):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Sat 22 Nov 06:50
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To sum up everything.
Geese is 26 in AoF2, 40 in Garô SP, and 42 in KOF 96.
Has anyone else considered the possibility of the battle against Geese in AoF2 being a dream match, much like Ryo's appearance in FFS more or less around the same time (those games were practically released one after the other, so it's not that far-fetched to assume that some ideas might be common to both)?
It would particularly fit Takuma's storyline to think back on how things might have been different if he had defeated Geese long before he had made a small empire to himself, which let to things like the decay of South Town, the death of Jeff Bogard and the kidnapping of Yuri in AoF1, all of which affected him in some way. Geese and (Honki ni Natta) Mr Karate/Takuma's dialogues clearly indicate some bitterness towards Geese's actions since his youth, so that's yet another possible lead...
The fact that other characters get to fight young Geese as well is they do well enough is a little bonus, of no true consequence in the story, as I see it...
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| TiamatRoar 566th Post
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| "Re(2):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Sat 22 Nov 08:13:
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Geese is not dead, remember the sparrow drop from billy kane, that move saved geese from falling down the building in ff and all other ff's (including garou and real bout), and another thing, who do think Grant really is, see the ending for yourself, its says that kaine knew who grant really was (and take notice that grant special moves have taken a page out off the geese howard book).
Geese will not die before he had his revenge on the one who killed his wife, Kaine. It was kaine who was after the number one position in the southtown syndicate (geese's orgisation), so he set up an assination attempt to kill geese, but that didnt work out as planned. he killed his own sister (geese's wife, making kaine his brother in law), by the time this happend rock was already born. Geese faked his death, so his sons life was spared, he didnt want rock to be involved (terry took rock under his wing, i think this selteld the score between the bogard bros and geese, who killed their father, jeff bogard, in battle). later returning to the scene as grant (kaine's bodyguard, like billy was to geese). this i think happend and explaines who the man is still around and kicking butt.
Actually, according to Saiki, the official way that it happened was that that Geese threw a Shippuken and saved himself in the first FF.
Grant isn't Geese. His real name is Abel (Cain and Abel. Biblical duo names as well as from other things). The 'secret' that Kain revealed that he knows at the end of MOTW was that he knows that Grant is dying, not Grant's identity (although he probably knows that, too, since his "identity" isn't exactly very secret, since it's known that he's officially Abel). That's why Grant clutches his chest when he says "You knew?" And it's why Kain looks so depressed (Grant is Kain's best friend). Grant's official measurements are way different from Geese's, too.
Ryo's fight with Geese at the end of AoF2 is canon and official (the question perhaps being, canon to WHAT?). SNK even went into some detail about how the fight occurred and ended (in All About SNK, I believe).
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| snkneoshingo2k3
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| "Re(3):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Sat 22 Nov 11:33
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Geese is not dead, remember the sparrow drop from billy kane, that move saved geese from falling down the building in ff and all other ff's (including garou and real bout), and another thing, who do think Grant really is, see the ending for yourself, its says that kaine knew who grant really was (and take notice that grant special moves have taken a page out off the geese howard book).
Geese will not die before he had his revenge on the one who killed his wife, Kaine. It was kaine who was after the number one position in the southtown syndicate (geese's orgisation), so he set up an assination attempt to kill geese, but that didnt work out as planned. he killed his own sister (geese's wife, making kaine his brother in law), by the time this happend rock was already born. Geese faked his death, so his sons life was spared, he didnt want rock to be involved (terry took rock under his wing, i think this selteld the score between the bogard bros and geese, who killed their father, jeff bogard, in battle). later returning to the scene as grant (kaine's bodyguard, like billy was to geese). this i think happend and explaines who the man is still around and kicking butt.
Actually, according to Saiki, the official way that it happened was that that Geese threw a Shippuken and saved himself in the first FF.
Grant isn't Geese. His real name is Abel (Cain and Abel. Biblical duo names as well as from other things). The 'secret' that Kain revealed that he knows at the end of MOTW was that he knows that Grant is dying, not Grant's identity (although he probably knows that, too, since his "identity" isn't exactly very secret, since it's known that he's officially Abel). That's why Grant clutches his chest when he says "You knew?" And it's why Kain looks so depressed (Grant is Kain's best friend). Grant's official measurements are way different from Geese's, too.
Ryo's fight with Geese at the end of AoF2 is canon and official (the question perhaps being, canon to WHAT?). SNK even went into some detail about how the fight occurred and ended (in All About SNK, I believe).
Hello,long time no see.
First of all,I always knew that The King Of Fighters 2003 would be,in every imaginable way,THE KOF,and the just ended loke test definitely differs fact from fiction.
Second of all,I'm downright shocked by how the new story-based saga is turning out,
mainly because of the second return of Geese Howard and the absence of Lin and Sie Kensou,although I,just like everyone else, am curious about the development of the new main character of this legendary 2D fighting game franchise,Ash Crimson.
And last,but definitely not least...
FINALLY!My wish has come true...
THE ONE,Shingo Yabuki,finally has flames!
I always knew some day this day would come, that the fighter beyond the man would unleash the ultimate transformation.
There's nothing more for me to say but:
11th December 2003...
Let The Punchfest Begin!
Peace Forever!SNK Playmore Forever!
You can't be finished!
Stand up you simp!
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| Jigsaw
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| "Re(3):KOF2003 site updated" , posted Sat 22 Nov 15:36
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Grant isn't Geese. His real name is Abel (Cain and Abel. Biblical duo names as well as from other things). The 'secret' that Kain revealed that he knows at the end of MOTW was that he knows that Grant is dying, not Grant's identity (although he probably knows that, too, since his "identity" isn't exactly very secret, since it's known that he's officially Abel). That's why Grant clutches his chest when he says "You knew?" And it's why Kain looks so depressed (Grant is Kain's best friend). Grant's official measurements are way different from Geese's, too.
Grant also doesn't have huge freaking scars all over his body, like Geese does.
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Ryo's fight with Geese at the end of AoF2 is canon and official (the question perhaps being, canon to WHAT?). SNK even went into some detail about how the fight occurred and ended (in All About SNK, I believe).
From what I can remember, it goes somewhat like this: Geese, I'd assume not taking the fight completely seriously, decided to try his Raging Storm (or perhaps it was the Deadly Rave) against Ryo's Ryuuko Ranbu. Ryo's attack ends up "on top", so to speak, and Geese is defeated. I'd guess Ryo should be lucky Geese decided to pull such a stunt though, as I can't imagine Ryo would be able to defeat him under "normal circumstances"...
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| Gen 2253th Post
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| "GEESE!" , posted Sat 22 Nov 23:25
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Grant isn't Geese. His real name is Abel (Cain and Abel. Biblical duo names as well as from other things). The 'secret' that Kain revealed that he knows at the end of MOTW was that he knows that Grant is dying, not Grant's identity (although he probably knows that, too, since his "identity" isn't exactly very secret, since it's known that he's officially Abel). That's why Grant clutches his chest when he says "You knew?" And it's why Kain looks so depressed (Grant is Kain's best friend). Grant's official measurements are way different from Geese's, too.
Grant also doesn't have huge freaking scars all over his body, like Geese does.
Ryo's fight with Geese at the end of AoF2 is canon and official (the question perhaps being, canon to WHAT?). SNK even went into some detail about how the fight occurred and ended (in All About SNK, I believe).
From what I can remember, it goes somewhat like this: Geese, I'd assume not taking the fight completely seriously, decided to try his Raging Storm (or perhaps it was the Deadly Rave) against Ryo's Ryuuko Ranbu. Ryo's attack ends up "on top", so to speak, and Geese is defeated. I'd guess Ryo should be lucky Geese decided to pull such a stunt though, as I can't imagine Ryo would be able to defeat him under "normal circumstances"...
Only Ryo and Terry are able to defeat or have defeated Geese?
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| Toxico 3281th Post
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|  "Re(5):GEESE!"
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Geese never really gave a damn about his family anyway, that's one of the reason's why Rock hates him. He cares about his crime syndicate more than his own family. I think the only one Geese thinks as family is probably Billy Kane and/or Kain.
Correct, in fact if I do understand correctly Rock's mother (maria was it??) isn't even legally married to Geese.
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Ryo's fight with Geese at the end of AoF2 is canon and official (the question perhaps being, canon to WHAT?). SNK even went into some detail about how the fight occurred and ended (in All About SNK, I believe).
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From what I can remember, it goes somewhat like this: Geese, I'd assume not taking the fight completely seriously, decided to try his Raging Storm (or perhaps it was the Deadly Rave) against Ryo's Ryuuko Ranbu. Ryo's attack ends up "on top", so to speak, and Geese is defeated. I'd guess Ryo should be lucky Geese decided to pull such a stunt though, as I can't imagine Ryo would be able to defeat him under "normal circumstances"...
The storiline goes as follows as far as I know; I can't tell apart was cannon and was not: Geese was manipulating Mr. Karate in AoF 1; Geese knew that Mr. Karate was tougher than him so he mostly did manipulating. Geese realized that to take southtown he needed more strenght so he decided to "learn" the Kyoukugen ryuu most deady 'ougi' to improve his own skills; thus he needed a match with Ryo Sakazaki; who could perform the most "perfect" Ryuoku Ranbu on the school. That was the main purpose of AoF 2. In "watching" the move Geese got himself defeated but managed to create/improve his very own deadly rave.
It would be nice if chupiler popped out of nowhere and commented the original cannon story as he once did so many time ago.
Also SNK stated that AoF 1 took place on 79' or was it 76'; I can't recall my own frigging birthday for pete's sake!!!
Fun fact: from KoF 97' and on Ryo's Ryuko ranbu was "3 punches" then "3 kicks" then "3 strong attacks" and then a multi-hitting finisher... If you really use your imagination you can relate that to Geese Deadly rave Qcb. fwd + A, A, A, B, B, B, C, C, C; Qcb + C; since A means punch, B means kick and C means strong attack on some of the Fatal Fury fame games.
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| Ishmael 1060th Post
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| "Re(6):GEESE!" , posted Mon 24 Nov 12:25
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The storiline goes as follows as far as I know; I can't tell apart was cannon and was not: Geese was manipulating Mr. Karate in AoF 1; Geese knew that Mr. Karate was tougher than him so he mostly did manipulating. Geese realized that to take southtown he needed more strenght so he decided to "learn" the Kyoukugen ryuu most deady 'ougi' to improve his own skills; thus he needed a match with Ryo Sakazaki; who could perform the most "perfect" Ryuoku Ranbu on the school. That was the main purpose of AoF 2. In "watching" the move Geese got himself defeated but managed to create/improve his very own deadly rave.
It would be nice if chupiler popped out of nowhere and commented the original cannon story as he once did so many time ago.
Also SNK stated that AoF 1 took place on 79' or was it 76'; I can't recall my own frigging birthday for pete's sake!!!
Fun fact: from KoF 97' and on Ryo's Ryuko ranbu was "3 punches" then "3 kicks" then "3 strong attacks" and then a multi-hitting finisher... If you really use your imagination you can relate that to Geese Deadly rave Qcb. fwd + A, A, A, B, B, B, C, C, C; Qcb + C; since A means punch, B means kick and C means strong attack on some of the Fatal Fury fame games.
Monkey told you that
If Geese got beat just so he could learn the secrets behind Ryo's spazz-out super you think he would have tried to learn the aspect of the technique that made it into an auto-combo instead of having to input each piece of the attack every time he wanted to do it.
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| Luisinan 589th Post
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| "the ranboooooos" , posted Mon 24 Nov 12:44
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The storiline goes as follows as far as I know; I can't tell apart was cannon and was not: Geese was manipulating Mr. Karate in AoF 1; Geese knew that Mr. Karate was tougher than him so he mostly did manipulating. Geese realized that to take southtown he needed more strenght so he decided to "learn" the Kyoukugen ryuu most deady 'ougi' to improve his own skills; thus he needed a match with Ryo Sakazaki; who could perform the most "perfect" Ryuoku Ranbu on the school. That was the main purpose of AoF 2. In "watching" the move Geese got himself defeated but managed to create/improve his very own deadly rave.
It would be nice if chupiler popped out of nowhere and commented the original cannon story as he once did so many time ago.
Also SNK stated that AoF 1 took place on 79' or was it 76'; I can't recall my own frigging birthday for pete's sake!!!
Fun fact: from KoF 97' and on Ryo's Ryuko ranbu was "3 punches" then "3 kicks" then "3 strong attacks" and then a multi-hitting finisher... If you really use your imagination you can relate that to Geese Deadly rave Qcb. fwd + A, A, A, B, B, B, C, C, C; Qcb + C; since A means punch, B means kick and C means strong attack on some of the Fatal Fury fame games.
Monkey told you that
If Geese got beat just so he could learn the secrets behind Ryo's spazz-out super you think he would have tried to learn the aspect of the technique that made it into an auto-combo instead of having to input each piece of the attack every time he wanted to do it.
Now thats kinda funny. But it makes sense that Geese wouldn't want to 'auto-combo' because that would make him into a spazz. "Dial-A-Combo" is much more sophisticated and stylistic-- you can somewhat change the deadly rave. And I say that half-seriously and half-sarcastically.
But anyway, that was an interesting point that Toxico showed us. Let me just add that SNK was probably making all of this as it went along-- they just did a neat job of interconnecting it all. But you can definitely tell there was no definite storyline to everything cause of all the contradictions.
BTW, if IRC, Dan's ranbu, is as follows:
Level 1: 3 punches + Kouryuken
Level 2: 3 kicks + Kouryuken
Level 3: 3 punches, 3 Kicks + Kouryuken
Even Dan follows the pattern. I wonder if Ryo's ranbu does that too in CvS2. Too lazy to check it out. It might. Or it just might be the same ranbu but with less damage.
Does anyone remember the pattern that Sean's ranbu super art does?
Interesting fact (boy is this going on a tangent), Remy does a short ranbu when his counter super art is activated. It's like punch, kick, punch, kick, kick, flash kick. Anyway, the interesting thing is that in his ranbu, he has this weird mule kick (like Ryu). This mule kick only appears in the ranbu, there is no other way to activate that mule kick.
Hrm. Makes me think if Remy had a mule kick special that Capcom partially removed. Wish he had that mule kick.
Even more off topic, does Wolverine's Weapon X have any special pattern? What other Capcom ranbu's exist? I know Spiral has that whacky long ranbu also.
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| Sensenic 939th Post
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| "Re(3):the ranboooooos" , posted Mon 24 Nov 14:08
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Anyway, the interesting thing is that in his ranbu, he has this weird mule kick (like Ryu). This mule kick only appears in the ranbu, there is no other way to activate that mule kick.
Hrm. Makes me think if Remy had a mule kick special that Capcom partially removed. Wish he had that mule kick.
Wow, I didn't noticed that, I'll try it out as soon as I can.
I didn't realized about Remy's mule kick either; I need to check that out too.
Euh.... Pardon my ignorance but, whassa "mule kick"? In a fighting game, that is.
The same thing? I mean, kicking behind you, not in front of you?
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
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| OYashiroForever 621th Post
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| "Even more Ranbus" , posted Mon 24 Nov 20:57:
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Even more off topic, does Wolverine's Weapon X have any special pattern? What other Capcom ranbu's exist? I know Spiral has that whacky long ranbu also.
Sakura has one in the vs games (her QCF+PP), Ibuki's #3 in NG and 2I, Morrigan's, er, whatever it was called (used a ShunGokuSatsu command in Vampire Savior), several team-up attacks in Justice Gakuen and then random stuff in random games (Lucia's super attack in Final Fight Tough).
Ibuki's SAIII in NG and 2I is Ranbu-esque, kinda like Yun's Sourai Rengeki (SAII). Her SAIII in 3S (Yami Shigure) is sorta Ranbu-esque as well (if first hit connects, she finishes the super).
Morrigan's is normally called Darkness Illusion (Shungokusatsu motion in CvS and Vampire, QCF+2K in Marvel games).
There are a shitton of ranbus in Capcom games. For example:
Vampire series
- Lilith's Luminous Illusion (like Morrigan's D.I.)
- Felicia's Dancing Flash (HCF+2P)
- B.B.Hood/Bulleta's Beautiful Memory (hcf+2k)
- Anakaris' various Pharoah Magics
Bunch in Marvel games as well:
- Charlie's Crossfire Blitz (QCF+2K)
- the aforementioned Weapon X
- B.B.Hood/Felicia/Morrigan/Anakaris have theirs from Vampire
- B.B.Hood/Bulleta's Apple for You is a Ranbu in MvC2 (hcb+2k)
- Captain America's Final Justice (hcf+2p)
- Strider's Ragnarok (dp+2p)
- Captain Commando's Captain Storm (qcf+2k)
- Cable's Time Flip (qcf+2k)
- Guile's Crossfire Assault in MvC2 (qcf+2k in air)
- Omega Red's Carbonadium Smasher (qcb+2P in air)
- Rogue's 'Good Night, Sugah' (qcf+2p)
- Sabretooth's Weapon X Rush (dp+2p)
- Venom's Venom Web (qcf+2p)
Edit: Oh, and Z/A-Cody's qcfx2, p super from Alpha 3 is a ranbu as well.
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| trufenix
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| "Plot stuff" , posted Tue 25 Nov 08:12
The way I see it, if SNK is going to use the same characters, with the exact same names, with the exact same personalities in the exact same locations and context, the universes are one and the same.
This isn't some off the wall cameo, like Akuma in X-men, or ET in Star Wars. Events that happen in one series are directly referenced, or have influence on events in another series. Thats practically the definition of continuity.
Granted, if SNK wants to go ahead and rewrite recklessly, it may piss me off, but there's no reasoning that the bonds of continuity are broken, that's the basic principle behind most comics / books / movies prequels and sequels.
Saying that KoF / FF / AoF aren't related is the equivalent of saying The Matrix and Reloaded aren't relative because Tank vanished inexplicably.
As a side note, I have been collating a bunch of KoF plot info on my website for a few months now, anyone interested in knowing how this stuff actually hapened should probably check it out.
http://members.cox.net/~trufenix/kofcanon/index.html
If anyone considers themselves and SNK story buff, I'd appreciate it if you checked it out, and maybe gave me some thoughts.
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| trufenix
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Occasional Customer
| "Re(1):Ranting..." , posted Tue 25 Nov 10:40
well, I am of the belief that the continuitities are one in the same. Geese in AoF2, the Mr. Big assasination stuff in KoF96 which is a direct inference to the AoF1 happenings, and Yamazaki / Ryo stuff in '97, not to mention practically everything that's happened in KoF since 2k completely coincides with MOTW, second southtown, Hokuto as Andy's student, Rock in Terry's win poses and now Griffon, and Gato?
You could say "well, it's all just a big coincidence" back maybe in '99, but there's easily just as much evidence the other way around at this point.
As for my site, if you know stuff, I'm glad to hear it. I'll adjust the Whip / Michuko stuff, and give you credit. I commonly just use info from japanese confirmed or guaranteed sources, as I know US translations are almost always misinterpretations (such as the Iori '96 thing). I'd never heard of the Eiji / Mai thing though, that seems a bit odd.
-F.
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| Sensenic 940th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member++
| "Re(1):site--interesting..." , posted Tue 25 Nov 11:16
quote:
One thing though:
-The Kusanagi flames damaging only 'evil' or the Orochi is more of a conjecture than anything, right? I find it a bit hard to believe that Kyo's innate ability is useless in normal combat, especially since he defeated people who possessed similar abilities that don't have that drawback to them on a fairly regular basis in KOF.
Since his specialty is his flames(I'd imagine that even though his combat style is fairly unique, it's not really superior to many), then I'd imagine that he'd actually be the weakest link in his team if that was true. I also recall to have read somewhere that he teamed up with Benimaru and Goro because he defeated them both in a local Japanese tournament, which I would find to be a doubtful accomplishment had he not possessed some sort of supernatural ability.
I always believed (no official source or anything to confirm, though ) that Kusanagi (and Yasakani, or whatever was Iori's family's first name) flames are just like any other ki attack. BUT with the difference that they become (plot-wise, not gameplay-wise) very effective against the Orochis, for the simple reason it's always been used against'em for so many years. No?
Of course I didn't make all that up, I read it somewhere, can't remember where. x_x
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| Puar 602th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(1):Plot stuff" , posted Wed 26 Nov 03:16
quote:
As a side note, I have been collating a bunch of KoF plot info on my website for a few months now, anyone interested in knowing how this stuff actually hapened should probably check it out.
http://members.cox.net/~trufenix/kofcanon/index.html
If anyone considers themselves and SNK story buff, I'd appreciate it if you checked it out, and maybe gave me some thoughts.
Hey, dude. Nice site and compilations. I'll have to add it to the list of links on my next site updates. Anyhow, two things...
First off, Puar's Place, and Galactica Phantom for that matter, has permanently moved to the domain http://www.confusticated.com and http://kof.confusticated.com respectively.
Secondly, I see that you mentioned the Akira/Tetsuo/K9999 design tidbit, which is cool. You might want to also throw in the tie-in of Benimaru with Polnareff from the series Jojo's Bizzare Adventure. I'm sure Iggy could give you a full run-down and more if you're not in the know. Keep up the good work and loved the Terry Movie reference. I totally forgot that. Good shit!
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| Toxico 3299th Post
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master
| "Pointers..." , posted Wed 26 Nov 06:06:
I'm on the run so I'll make this quick.
SNK has officially stated that Chizuru's sister his her twin. It has been stated that everyone on the yata family is born as twin due to the power of the mirrior.
Terry Bogard adopted Rock in Fatal Fury 3; his ending clearly show it so "Boy, from now on you can call me dad". The only logical and unconfirmed explanation is that Terry realized that Geese was already lost in his cravin for power + he was supposedly under the secrets scrolls curse ("The ultimate power will destroy you" or something to that extent).
SNK stated that Kyo meet Daimon & Goro in a japanese tournament (he won the final to Benimaru, the three got the first 3 places). They where forced into a team by the japanese government since japan wanted their three best. Even though he made inmidiate friendship with Goro he never get along quite well with Benimaru.
Also for Kyo in KoF 96' it's implied that he and Benimaru where beaten by Goenitz, where Goro didn't get to meet Goenitz until the tournament. In the official story it's say that only Kyo was beaten by Goenitz (maybe Benimaru was only watching??)and that he changed his style only because Goenitz proven him weak; not because any "flame weakness".
Yuki shows up in the dream match game "Gals Fighters" for Neo Geo pocket and she is one of the Kushinada (sp?) that are supposed to be holy maids that are sacrificated to feed the Orochi.
Mr. Karate: his wife's name was Ronnet, she died when someone asalted her. After that Takuma feel into gambling and drinking and that's how Mr. Big/ Geese managed to control him. This is all SNK stated. -remember that AoF 2 shows you how Geese too was manipulating Takuma in the game intro-. Also remember that Takuma does not posses the Haoh Sho Koken, he posses the Haoh ShiKou ken, but only Takuma.
Rugal's panther name is Mughi... I don't recall correctly, RugalBernstein (the MM cafe rugal) should back me up on this because he told me the pet's name in the first place.
Rugal had 4 secretaries on total, Mature, Vice, one man and one woman. I don't know the offcial names for them but In KoF 95' story the man fought Kyo when he gave him the invitation.
Shingo manager to "took aprentship" from Kyo before 97'; the deal was simple, Shingo should give his lunch to Kyo every day and Kyo would train Shingo... The later never fullfiled. SNK stated fact.
Fun fat. Ryo his supposed to have a Dragon to represent his might; Robert his supposed to have a Tiger to represent his powers as well. The two fun facts are that the move names are wrong (Ryo's moves are named after tigers and robert's one after a dragon). Not only that; but everyone else in the Kyokugen school doesn't have any "entities" to represent their might and their moves are all named after the tiger, so they aren't any other "dragon" movements on the school (or so you could deduce)... Ryo's fighting style is the Tiger stance from kung fu, why does he know kung fu and why he isn't using the Tiger stance is probably one of the many KoFs screw ups. At some point Robert used the Dragon stance (98', I believe) and Leona used the lion stance (99', I believe).
That was long; forgive I write oddly, I haven't sleeped in 46 hours.
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Almost forgot. Did Kyo get the gloves back from Shingo? Or did they have another pair?
), but notice his jacket has long sleeves so the symbol'd probably be under them.
Uh. Am I reading that Outlaw story correctly?
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