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| Luisinan 566th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):A Thought-Provoking Scenario"
, posted Sat 15 Nov 00:09:
IMO 'adult-oriented' or 'mature' games fall into two categories.
(a) Hentai-Porn Games
(b) Mature Games
Games from category (a) have only one purpose-- for guys to play and get off. They're like adult magazines. People object to them, but still buy them. But they will never become mainstream or taken seriously.
Then we have games like GTA which fall into category (b). Now, ask yourself, how would including 'adult situations' (sex) improve the gameplay of GTA?
All right, more straight to the point. Games are more or less treated like movies-- especially with the ESRB rating system. When a movie or a TV show has explicit scenes (sex, violence or language) people ask "was it necessary to show that?" In certain cases, people will say, 'yes, showing that was good for the film'. In other cases, people will say 'no, that was just pandering, that was just unecessary.'
It's the same for video games. When BMX XXX or whatever bike game that had a virtual strip club in it was released, it was panned. By everyone. Because the strip club portion was unnecessary, stupid and excessive.
That's the same for video games. Sex doesn't really add anything to a game. Sex is not romance. You have a dating simulator without sex, it remains a dating simulator. You add sex to a dating simulator- it becomes sex simulator (porn). Violence and language add to a game-- giving it a more mature atmosphere. Some people like that. Some people like romance-- like romance movies. So relationship simulators can be fun. But if it's just to see hentai, 'virtual intercourse' what's the point of that? It's just to get off. Just like in movies, or magazines. There is a very very very very very very fine line when it comes to nudity.
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| Gen 2205th Post
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| "Re(1):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Sat 15 Nov 00:46:
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This board, of course, has seen its share of AO (adults only) rated games. However, in the past, they've all been porn: mostly Japanese anime style.
But what if someone were to make a different kind of AO game? In other words, something that took truly adult situations (not simply explicit sex) and made them the basis for a game? Do you think that this would go anywhere, or would it be an idea doomed to failure; whether from lack of artistic merit or sheer public backlash? What do you think?
I post this out of my own personal curiosities; I like to see every possible variety of art expressed. A non-pornographic AO game would certainly be a unique entity.
I posted something about wanting an adult game like this before and I got flamed. I'd like to see a game with especially adult themes. This doesn't just mean sex and gore and cliche and obvious things that get a movie an R or X rating. I mean story lines and so forth that children couldn't understand or wouldn't be interested in. But being an adult the audience would better comprehend the story. I mean like...mentally adult themes. If you think there's a game like this please share :). There's games with somewhat adult themes but the characters are drawn as cartoony teenagers...perhaps some of these might fall into this category but most wouldn't. There may be some sci fi games with themes designed to be hard for the average Joe to understand, but I don't think that's quite what we're talking about. It would be hard to get a game like this made because companies tend to want to make a game that appeals to a wider audience. Basically what I'm going for is "mature" content, which doesn't necessarily have to mean pornographic or gorey. Know what I mean?
I think of when Bill Maher talked about the "veterans of childhood". I had a longer paragraph but I'll try to shorten it. Children should be cared for but let's just say pop culture shouldn't be so over weighted toward children. Wanting an adult game is some what of a back lash to this off balance phenomenon.
This game would probably have to be pretty artistic in order to avoid various problems, even to just fulfil being such a mature game.
Not porn, not blood and guts...and not for children, that right there might make it a pretty scary thing that would scare many adults.
Sure, a game could be made for adults and kids could still play it too as long as they can handle it.
I a nice non scary game could be possible too.
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| Gen 2205th Post
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| "Re(3):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Sat 15 Nov 02:19:
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Know what I mean?
actually, i don't. and i don't quite understand what this thread is asking. please give a few examples
when i think of adult-oriented, i think of sexual themes and i think of violence. sure, there's some topics that adults can grasp better than children. but that's simply because adults have been around much longer than a child. if you try to explain to a child some complex psychological disorder, they won't be able to understand it fully, but i'm pretty sure they'll still be able to grasp the general idea if your words are clear enough
a few American comics and games come to mind when you're talking about adult-oriented material that has a lot more to offer than just sex and violence. but i'm not really an expert in this field. i'll go out of my way and ask around if you'd really like to know
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i think i answered my own question there. kids won't be able to fully-understand some things and therefore it's adult material. is that what you're referring to? i dunno, i'm losing my mind
I think simply adult or mature, but not rated R or X simply because of violence and sex. Violence and sex could be immature. It would seem this would tend to be scary stuff. Nice could be possible too...
Some of it could be simply stuff that children couldn't understand or wouldn't be interested in. But also to a degree it could be things that you wouldn't share with children but are worth while to share with adults. It could be targeted to mental adults as apposed to a wider ranged audiance. It would be things that adult comprehension and maturity could give them more of an ability to understand and they could be more interested in them than kids would be. Mabe kids could be interested, but it probably wouldn't be stuff you'd think of as being for kids. It doesn't have to be exclusionary towards kids but it should be inclusionary of some kind of matureness or adultness......
The themes should have some type of "maturity".
I heard a rumor around when the movie The Game was coming out that it was rated R for mental intensity (not gore and sex) so though I don't think that's a perfect example, that would be leaning in the direction I'm talking about.
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| Undead Fred 1071th Post
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| "Re(6):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Sat 15 Nov 17:35
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To clarify, I was talking about a game that was strictly for adults only, in other words, the next step up from an M rated game in America. I was just wondering if anybody around here would be interested in such a game - I myself might have to wait a few years, now that I think about it.
Well, the way I see it, there's never gonna be a game labelled Ao without sex or boobies or anything because people associate the phrase "adults only" with porn (at least in the US...). So, games that only adults should be playing will still be M games instead of Ao so people don't think there's porn involved. It's the same ratings strategy that movies like Evil Dead 2 used to avoid an NC-17 rating when it should only be an R (you know, too much red blood is somehow an NC-17 thing)... or was it an X rating? I think Kill Bill had the black and white sequence to avoid getting an NC-17... you know what I mean. Basically, an Ao rating is really loaded, whether it was meant to be or not. M can be more ambiguous- maybe there's blood and gore? Maybe they swear? Maybe they say they like alcohol? Who knows? Those are all possible in an M game... lemme check the back of the box... Game publishers will push for certain ratings to get the sales they're after. Personally, I don't think kids should be anywhere near GTA or Silent Hill, but they're only M. I don't disagree with the rating, I'm just saying people may shy away from a game (or not be allowed to play) because Ao sort of implies porn.
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| Krzyzewski Man
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| "Re(7):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Sun 16 Nov 10:53
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Well, the way I see it, there's never gonna be a game labelled Ao without sex or boobies or anything because people associate the phrase "adults only" with porn (at least in the US...). So, games that only adults should be playing will still be M games instead of Ao so people don't think there's porn involved. It's the same ratings strategy that movies like Evil Dead 2 used to avoid an NC-17 rating when it should only be an R (you know, too much red blood is somehow an NC-17 thing)... or was it an X rating? I think Kill Bill had the black and white sequence to avoid getting an NC-17... you know what I mean. Basically, an Ao rating is really loaded, whether it was meant to be or not. M can be more ambiguous- maybe there's blood and gore? Maybe they swear? Maybe they say they like alcohol? Who knows? Those are all possible in an M game... lemme check the back of the box... Game publishers will push for certain ratings to get the sales they're after. Personally, I don't think kids should be anywhere near GTA or Silent Hill, but they're only M. I don't disagree with the rating, I'm just saying people may shy away from a game (or not be allowed to play) because Ao sort of implies porn.
I think there could be more to an AO game besides porn and murder. For instance, explicit drug use, graphic depictions of suffering (diseases and such), and some other things could probably be construed as AO.
Of course, an AO game probably would still end up having porn and murder. Especially murder. What's a game without murder?
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| Undead Fred 1074th Post
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| "Re(8):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Sun 16 Nov 13:35
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I think there could be more to an AO game besides porn and murder. For instance, explicit drug use, graphic depictions of suffering (diseases and such), and some other things could probably be construed as AO.
Of course, an AO game probably would still end up having porn and murder. Especially murder. What's a game without murder?
And, uh, thank you, Freeter. Really.
I know that, and I agree, but my point is that they will never use Ao for a non-porn game because of what the Ao rating implies. Game companies will avoid an Ao if they want more people to buy the game (and of course, if the game doesn't have any porn in it). Chain stores like Wal-Mart won't even touch a game with an Ao rating, so which do you think game companies will go for? "Let's see how far we can take an M game/ Let's just make sure it stays at an M" or "Well, technically, the ideas in this game are meant more for adults, so we'll go ahead and label it Ao, even though people are more than likely going to get the wrong idea about the game because of the Ao rating"? Well, I know they probably wouldn't put it that way, but you get my point.
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| Krzyzewski Man
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| "Re(9):A Thought-Provoking Scenario" , posted Mon 17 Nov 10:10
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I know that, and I agree, but my point is that they will never use Ao for a non-porn game because of what the Ao rating implies. Game companies will avoid an Ao if they want more people to buy the game (and of course, if the game doesn't have any porn in it). Chain stores like Wal-Mart won't even touch a game with an Ao rating, so which do you think game companies will go for? "Let's see how far we can take an M game/ Let's just make sure it stays at an M" or "Well, technically, the ideas in this game are meant more for adults, so we'll go ahead and label it Ao, even though people are more than likely going to get the wrong idea about the game because of the Ao rating"? Well, I know they probably wouldn't put it that way, but you get my point.
Well, I had thought about that. But I just wanted to give a proposal. On that note, however, I think you can sell a game without Wal-Mart.
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