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| trufenix
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well, if Griffon doesn't get a new sprite, that means there will be one character with like 700 frames, and a bunch of others with like 3-400 frames, which would be a huge inconsistency.
Given SNK's treatment of SvC, I doubt they're likely to accept that sort of inconsistency.
Also, I'm fairly sure "now printing" means a new character, and if it IS an old character, I think Freeman is possibly the worst choice.
Let's go Mr. Big, picking up where Geese left off!
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| beto
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| "Re(1):Why the mystery?" , posted Thu 13 Nov 11:50
Billy's and Yama's sprites can be just "touched up".
Billy's outfit in KOF 98 is kinda close to the WA one, all they have to do is touch it up. I mean, Andy got crazy changes from 96 to 2K2, and it was just by touching the sprite up. Yama too. They just have to fix the arms and remove the vest. Still, i like it. As long as they do it right, without having Kim's or SVC's Karate problems (where things don't match too much), it'll be fine.
Terry and Griffon have to be completelly re-drawn, though.
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Since they already reveal it is the "outlaw" team, why the mystery? If they can reveal The Griffon, it couldn't be logical that they hide another MOTW or even an old FF character. Heck, I don't think it is a returning KOF character like Eiji either.
The only logical reason is either (a) it is a new character that nobody has seen before, and they want to keep it a secret and reveal all the new characters at one shot or (b) somebody much too "surprising" to be termed as an outlaw and/or teaming with Billy and Yamazaki. Iori has been involved in too many teams so to call it surprising it wouldn't be him. My best bet? Someone from the BOSS TEAM. That would warrant a great deal of "shock" to the KOF players.
I agree.
Unless it's a case of Falcoon dripping ink over the art for the 3rd character or something, i assume he's not there because he's "special" somehow. Be it because he's new or because he's a surprise. Geese would be a surprise, considering he's like, dead (for the 2nd time). Griffon showed up with no suspense, so i doubt it's Freeman, Eiji, BJ, or some small fry like those.
Anyway, i hope we don't get more than 9 or so FF characters. We already have 5, and Mai is a sure bet. Tung and Jubei would be nice, thought.
Anyway, they got rid of Andy, so i hope they get rid of Robert too. Put Marco and King with Ryo or something = AOF team.
I wish they would get John Crawley (AOF) in there. MEGA SMASH!!! But that's day-dreaminmg.
Get rid of Benimaru too. Mix-and-match and then fill the spots with people from shooters or action or beat-the-up games...
Was Burning Fight a SNK game?
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| Luisinan 562th Post
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| "Re(4):Why the mystery?" , posted Thu 13 Nov 12:46
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By the way... If they kept those 2 from the '97 team, what happenned to Mary? Will she use again one valuable slot in the girl team (the best team of the game until she brought malediction and violence and death upon it by joining it)? Will she have her own team (with Kevin and Hon Fu?) or, maybe even better, have Honfu and Kevin have a new teammate and ERASE HER forever?
(If the 3rd character of the Oulow team is K9999, I promise I will stop doing typos for the next 3 month in penitence.)
Those are fighting words. There are a few Blue Mary fans on this board, myself, not included amongst them.
But anyway, people keep saying, 'bring characters from other SNK games.' Yeah, but what other characters? Garou? It's not much of a stretch to bring in Garou characters, but who else? LB and SS are too farfetched to bring in. AOF never really had great designs IMO. That possibly leaves Matrimelee and RoTD-- yuck. I don't know where SNKP is gonna get more crossover characters? Metal Slug!? Aerofighters? Super Sidekicks?
And no, don't mention that crappy ADK game with the initials WH. Why won't that game just die!
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| DarkZero 475th Post
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| "Re(9):This is exciting!" , posted Thu 13 Nov 20:41
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By Onizuka I meant Gai Tendou, and I agree that they should keep Vanessa. I'm curious to see if Iori killed off Vanessa, Seth, and Ramon in 2K1's ending- I sure hope not.
I don't think Iori's killed anyone with the possible exception of banishing Chris/Orochi though that might not be killing. At least not any other playable KoF characters.
'96/2k1 Spoilers:
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Iori slaughted Vice and Mature in his '96 ending, which I believe was the end of them, and his 2k1 ending ends with Seth, Ramon, and Vanessa about to attack him, with the obvious implication that Iori will beat the crap out of all of them. I think theyleft the question of whether or not the three of them live up in the air just in case they don't want them back for another game. That, or just for the reference to '96.
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Then again, my knowledge of KOF's continuity and year-to-year roster in the earlier years is a little foggy, so I might be wrong.
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| Gen 2192th Post
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| "Re(10):This is exciting!" , posted Thu 13 Nov 21:40
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By Onizuka I meant Gai Tendou, and I agree that they should keep Vanessa. I'm curious to see if Iori killed off Vanessa, Seth, and Ramon in 2K1's ending- I sure hope not.
I don't think Iori's killed anyone with the possible exception of banishing Chris/Orochi though that might not be killing. At least not any other playable KoF characters.
'96/2k1 Spoilers:
Then again, my knowledge of KOF's continuity and year-to-year roster in the earlier years is a little foggy, so I might be wrong.
I guess this is a spoiler for those who haven't played KOF96
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When I saw the ending I didn't interpret as them as dead.
Here is some reasoning, some of it after the fact, to show that they could survive.
Goenitz activates Iori's Orochi curse, causing him to go nuts and attack Mature and Vice, to punish them I thought. In KOF97 I think I read Orochi saying as long as there is still Orochi blood in the world, meaning those Orochi heads or Iori or Leona I guess, that he could return. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that) Given that there's not a huge number of them Goenitz probably wouldn't kill them. But then again maybe he would try.
In the 96 ending they were still talking, this could indicate that they still had life in them after the beating and probably would survive.
In KoF 95 Iori beat up both team mates, however Billy returned in 97, and now we know also in 2003 :) so he survived. It's possible that the same would go for Mature and Vice.
In KoF 2000 Iori says something like "Jeeze it's like I'm assisting suicide" as one of his post battle victory lines. I think it's an exaggeration, he means that he is so deadly and or that the opponents are coming at him like they want to get killed by this assassin. Perhaps in the context of KoF2000 when you are playing as him, he does kill a few of the other KoF players in battle.
The different characters stories reveal interesting things about them. I think that for each next game, only one team could have won the previous game though.
In 2001 none of them seem to be dead, so in any story of him killing someone during the 2000 tourney doesn't occur in the future games story, meaning a different sequence of events, such as another character defeating Iori or winning the 2000 tourney, is relevant to the 2001 story.
In this way, even if Iori while going Orochi does kill Mature and Vice in their 1996 ending, his team probably didn't win KoF96 and thus Mature and Vice didn't get attacked. When 97 rolls around only one team has won KoF96; given that it is a tourney only one team can get to the finals and defeat the boss and not all of them. Probably Kyo team or Kyo/Iori/Chizuru won.
The one person Iori wants to kill is Kyo, but I think he fails to defeat him every year. (So my girls must be able to survive then if Kyo can't get killed by Iori!) I also think Iori has entered into a depression because he is too focused on this, and due to psychological reasons that probably have names, he wants to wear the same clothes every time he fights Kyo in KOF until Kyo is defeated. Hopefully he'll grow out of it. I don't think he'll kill Kyo.
Geese survived falling off a high rise/ sky scraper, at least once. So others could live too through life threatening ordeals too.
End of Spoiler
And remember that chi said Geese was master of reality.
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| Gen 2194th Post
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| "Re(8):This is exciting!" , posted Fri 14 Nov 00:27
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Yamazaki looks fine with the vest - heck, I prefer it that way - but some might say that Robert is stepping on his cool-aid, ne? (Long-sleeved shirt + vest).
And if I recall correctly (and I already did once today ^_^ ) Billy is a bit of a punk rocker himself. Between his intro in RBS, his animated vid in Dominated Mind, and his thrashing, kick-ass theme on the FFS Image Album, I'd say that he's a product of heavy metal as much as, if not more so, than Freeman.
Good point, he's apparently a metal musician, while Freeman is a fan apparently. Though the 2 are more gangstery than Freeman.
Maybe from that perspective that they're both metalers Billy and Freeman could get along. (Or given the age difference, Billy might think that Freeman's metal is derivative and not the real thing, if Freeman is like an average younger american metal fan or Bizkiteer. That's pure speculation though that I doubt would show up in the game. I give Freeman more credit than that he's probably into good stuff.)
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| NARUTO 1902th Post
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| "Re(6):Why the mystery?" , posted Fri 14 Nov 07:39
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Yashiro, Chris, Shermie, Yamazaki, Leona's father, Mature, Vice & Goenitz.
Leona's father is supposed to be the other Orochi? That's curious. Now that you mention it, it does ring a bell in some deep recess of my mind. At least, I recall something about Leona's father (or the founders of her village or what-have-you) having established a home in the jungle in order to escape from some past life.
yup! Guidel is supposed to, that's why Leona's a half-blood.
But still, with this rumor that the new hero is sopposed to have wind power...the Orochi thing looks closer and closer...
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| Amakusa 360th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):This is exciting!" , posted Fri 14 Nov 20:46
Yashiro, Shermie, Chris, Leona's pop, Vice, and Mature are definitely dead. Yamazaki is definitely alive. Goenitz is sort of ambiguously-dead, because they could just as easily bring him back, considering how he 'died' (like in SvC, which doesn't figure into KOF, really, that's opened up a possibility if SNKP ever wanted to follow up on it).
But really. Billy and Yamazaki on the same team. I thought they didn't like each other through Geese. Now that Geese is gone, what drives them to form a team?
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| Gen 2195th Post
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| "Re(4):Question of the Week" , posted Fri 14 Nov 21:58
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And remember that there is one Orochi yet unaccounted-for. Given how unpredictable SNK has become, it seems not impossible that this person could tie into the plot somehow.
You mean Goenitz ? I would be very surprised if Playmore goes back to Orochi story, which has been ended since '97...
We have NESTS story, and the end of 2001 to continue.
The unaccounted for Orochi is only refered to when, I think it was Goenitz, calls Leona "Guidel's bastard". It is only infered in the game by this that Guidel is the 8th Orochi.
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wats this new outfit chizuru wearing? source? got pic or is it another rumor?
NARUTO's just sayin that Chizuru coming back having a different clothes is more likely because Terry and Billy have different clothes than in the main KOF series. Unless it's in some HK magazine we haven't seen, there's not hard evidance of Chizuru being in the game yet.
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Hokutomaru ? Leona's father ? I can't see why they are included in this list ?
Don't you include Iori, Kyo, and Orochi himself (I do count him for a character) ?
I believe he's refering to the Fatal Fury team's story of Andy staying with a sick kid (Hokotumaru) so as not to be entering KOF.
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Though i doubt it, because him along with Billy had a falling out with Yamazaki, if I recall correctly.
Yamazaki comes in demanding payment; Billy is super loyal to Geese... It would seem Yamazaki would have to be paid again to persuade him to work with Billy...
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True, most of the characters don't have much of a reason for showing up. F'r instance, Joe doesn't have much motivation for the tournament beyond the joy of kicking people in the head and then mooning them but it's enough of a reason for him to show up every year.
ha-ha.
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With the Billy/Yamazaki team I would like to see Blue Mary come back. If she was dim enough to get fooled into helping them out once, why not again?
My guess is she learned her lesson.
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She wasn't fooled, wasn't she? IIRC she was investigating one or more of the following:
- Yamazaki
- The misterious facts that happened in the previous KOFs
- Geese's interest regarding KOF.
That's what I thought. I didn't even rember the part about her being duped by someone who worked for Geese until I clicked that link from Tiamat. I thought she was knowingly working under Geese and both sides used each other.
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Oh. I had read the "dream match" thing as "this is the lineup you've dreamed about!" rather than "this whole game never happened... it's just a dream." Ah well, whatever.
I also thought that too... I didn't even believe that 98 wasn't part of the story for a while until the clues kicked in.
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Personally, I read the 96 ending as a beating, rather than a kill... I'm pretty sure someone's mentioned Iori's KoF95 ending...
yah I mentioned it :)
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Mature and Vice are officially dead. Unless my memory's really off, they even have the "dead dissappearance" animation that dead characters who appear as strikers in KOF 2k get (though I don't think Geese has that animation for some reason. Or was it Rugal? One of those two. Hmm). Of course, SNK could retroactively change that if they ever chose to do so (they've done so with other characters already. Krizalid, Geese, and possibly Krauser depending on whether or not the info I got regarding that is right were all officially dead at some point then retroactively changed to still be alive)
Blue Mary was played for the fool by Geese in KOF 97. It's stated in the ending.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof97spec.htm
Yah they did have that blink out animation like other supposedly dead characters. Cource it is a dream match and other characters from the future show up in it too. Does anyone know all the striker characters that blink out like that?
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But really. Billy and Yamazaki on the same team. I thought they didn't like each other through Geese. Now that Geese is gone, what drives them to form a team?
That's the Question of the Week.
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I am sure the third person in the team is the person that forces them to be in this together. And quite possibily, someone as strong if not stronger than them, which brings me to believe it is the new main lead, or a member of the boss team.
We seem to be leaning toward this conclusion.
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Then again, SNK had weird team pairings that doesn't go with logic occassionally too. I am still baffled why Iori joined Seth, Vanessa and Ramon in KOF2001, other than the obvious fact that SNK couldn't find a team for him and that they want no more single entries.
I thought Seth picked him up in an alley.~~
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| Gen 2197th Post
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| "Re(6):Question of the Week" , posted Fri 14 Nov 23:58
The other question of the week is of course specifically who's the 3rd guy.
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BlackNinjaVinny: Though i doubt it, because him along with Billy had a falling out with Yamazaki, if I recall correctly. Yamazaki comes in demanding payment; Billy is super loyal to Geese... It would seem Yamazaki would have to be paid again to persuade him to work with Billy...
Kain R. Heinlein? Maybe the guy who will become Grant?
Like I said maybe Kain is bank rolling Yamazaki, but I'd guess someone else would be the 3rd team member. Mr. Big would be pretty entertaining. Spoiler warning. Before Geese apparently teamed Billy and Yamazaki so he could investigate KOF and Yamazaki. I figured Blue Mary joined the team to investigat KoF, Yamazaki, and Geese. To me there was 2 way using of the other parties. Though in those screen shots she does say "duped by the Geeseter, I've lost completely. But I'll get vengeance."
I think the Orochi story is at rest same as the Nests story. Those stories could come back perhaps years later though. I don't think Bao and Kensou's dragon power is the central theme for KOF2003 or that Ron and Misty are going to be chacing Kensou's buns. This is based on having read somewhere SNK saying that they were done with the Nests story, and after the 2002 dream match another chapter would begin.
Geese apparently decided that the Orochi power wasn't all it was cracked up to be in the 96 ending. In 97 perhaps he senses something is up (Orochi's return) and decides to investigate once again. In the 97 ending they learn that Ryuji is Orochi but they'd also have seen Orochi disappear into another dimension. It would seem the way KoF goes they'd move on from chacing the Orochi power. Only Leona, Yagami and Rugal were able to get some power from Orochi. Rugal blew himself up...(but returns,) It would be odd for Billy to be teamed with Yamazaki again just to look into his Orochi power, so it's probably something else.
As for would Goenitz kill one of his own...
In [url=http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof96yaga.htm ]that link to the partial KoF96 story screen shots, Goenitz does suggest that he will destroy Mature, Vice and Iori by using Iori's tainted blood. Further it is implied he activated Leona's blood which caused her to kill her parents. So actually Goenitz would kill other Orochis. But I still want Mature and Vice to live on!
Apparently Goenitz is more ready to destroy his own (Guidel, Mature, Vice) than those that have siphened off Orochi power. Iori and Leona are like pawns to him. Rugal, didn't he assign Mature and Vice to Rugal? Then it seems at some point Mature and Vice decided to go their own way rather than work with Goenitz for the Orochi cause.
It would be great if they nicely tied in the main KoF story line and the MOTW story.
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| Luisinan 565th Post
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| "Re(7):Question of the Week" , posted Sat 15 Nov 00:33
Well, the only patterns I have seen in KOF are these...
-every KOF storyline will be 3 chapters (3 games) (although 1994 was dream match / prologue to the Orochi saga)
-every KOF storyline will have a different hero (hence K'
-every KOF storyline is interconnected (I'll explain more later).
-SNK is unpredictable, silly and inconsistent.
KOF '94 was a prologue to the Orochi Saga. In some ways the endings from KOF 2K1 were a prologue to the next storyline. Now ask yourself-- has SNK put information in KOF endings that were picked up on in the next KOF? I don't think any KOF endings give any hints on the storyline of the next game-- except KOF '94 and 2K1. Now, what we must ask ourselves is, 'can we take the NESTS/Bao/Dragon Power hints seriously?' You can say no, because SNK has a pattern of not following previous storylines, puts in silly/joke endings, and is inconsistent. SNK fighters have a terrible time line and continuity. SNK is also picky, they can just scrap the NESTS/Bao/Dragon Power thing because they just felt like doing so.
NONETHELESS I think there is a 50% we'll get the Dragon Power storyline. Why, because KOF does show a pattern of connecting its different chapters.
You see, the Orochi saga and the NESTS saga are interconnected by the Kusanagi Power. The Kusanagi Power was used to defeat Orochi, and of course, NESTS coveted that power for themselves. With the 2K1 ending, we are seeing a connection between the NESTS saga and the Dragon Power saga. NESTS themselves. NESTS couldn't handle the Kusanagi power, so they're now going after this Dragon Power thingie.
Of course this is all speculation whatever. But nonetheless, I think I use a bit of logic and I do point out the patterns that SNK has used in KOF. Of course, we all know SNK can be random and forgetful, so if the next saga is about an evil Japanese marching band, it's understandable.
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| Undead Fred 1067th Post
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| "Re(7):Question of the Week" , posted Sat 15 Nov 01:21
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As for would Goenitz kill one of his own...
In [url=http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof96yaga.htm ]that link to the partial KoF96 story screen shots, Goenitz does suggest that he will destroy Mature, Vice and Iori by using Iori's tainted blood. Further it is implied he activated Leona's blood which caused her to kill her parents. So actually Goenitz would kill other Orochis. But I still want Mature and Vice to live on!
Apparently Goenitz is more ready to destroy his own (Guidel, Mature, Vice) than those that have siphened off Orochi power. Iori and Leona are like pawns to him. Rugal, didn't he assign Mature and Vice to Rugal? Then it seems at some point Mature and Vice decided to go their own way rather than work with Goenitz for the Orochi cause.
Once again, I'm not disagreeing with anyone, and I believe you when you say "Vice and Mature are officially dead," but to me, the 96 ending wasn't clear enough.
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Yeah, they're beaten and lying down, but I didn't think it looked like they were about to die... Billy and Eiji were a lot more bloody after Iori was done with them in 95, but they're okay now.
End of Spoiler
I'll take everyone's word for it, but I haven't accepted it yet. Heh heh. I've actually accepted the idea of
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Angel
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Foxy
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a lot quicker than this....
THAT'S DANNY. His hometown is New Orleans.
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| Gen 2204th Post
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| "Re(8):Question of the Week" , posted Sat 15 Nov 01:52:
I think KoF94 is part of the story is not a dream match that is not part of the story. Even if 94 was a dream match at the time, I don't think it was in the sense that the phrase in SNKglish tells us that it's not part of the story at the time and they were planning on making other KoFs later that would be. Perhaps at the time KOF was just meant to be a fun cross over game and there was no plans for a unified story universe and they decided on that later.
I think the idea that 94 is not part of the story is based on SNK saying that they wanted to do 3 chapter sets like Star Wars, with a dream match in between. Perhaps also because the first game was something of a dream match (in more of the lots of characters and not in the alternate dimension to the main story sense) mixing all those other games together. Maybe at the time they made it it was a one shot cross over with no story plans, a "dream match" relative to FF and AoF (I doubt it) but once they made a sequel I think it is definitely part of an on going story... As for the Star Wars double trilogy idea, they could mean that 95-97 are something of a trilogy, but I don't think they meant that 94 is a non story game. They came up with this idea of trilogy, dream match, trilogy, dream match, during the 99-2001 games releases apparently; or was it during 2002's development? We at heard about it some time around then though they may have thought of it earlier. At that time they probably were currently planning on doing 2002 as a dream match... 2001 would be the 6th of the double story trilogy. But it doesn't mean that 94 was not part of the story. In the intro and on the box for KoF2000 and 2001 PS2 it says "episode 6" and "episode 7". This indicates 98 was a dream match...and 94 is included....
94 The King of Fighters episode 1
95 episode 2
96 episode 3
97 episode 4
98 dream match
99 episode 5
2000 episode 6
2001 episode 7
and of course I'd say all the Garou and Art of Fighting games are included save if one or two of them turns out to be a remake or a dreammatch. Although Garou includes KoFs, the numbers are just for the "KOF" game series.
If I could make the decision right now, I'd not want a dream match in 3 years at the exclusion of a story game. They could do both, have a dream match with characters that wouldn't actually enter that year, and have a story. They could even have a light but official story, where it's an actual regular fighting tourney for once for example. I'd like to think by that time SNK would have recovered to the point where they could make another great full story KOF without having to rest their story writing for year, but it's up to them.
The Dragon power might be part of the story, we'll see soon, but I'm just thinking what if SNK does like they said they would, and are done with both the Orochi and Nests stories (for now)? Perhaps the dragon power could be there but not any Nests elements, as cool as Nests was. If Kensou's dragon power is the central part of the plot in 2003 and Ron and Misty are bosses after it then it's basically continuing the Nests storyline.
Perhaps Ron is just able to see Kensou's dragon power because of his Chinese mystical connotations... I like that team China gets a little more story points in their ending. More teams like this aside from the main character team should have more story.
As for the next game, Psycho Soldier's team ending was just one of many. Personally I'm looking forward to fruition of Shingo and Saisyu's ending, but by the same logic that's just one ending too and that story could be held back to pop up later. Probably endings with K' count for the most after KoF2001.
Although they've said they are done, I'd like to see them clean both the Orochi and Nests stories up later though. There were a number of open ended things I felt in AoF, FF, and the KoF Orochi story that I still want them to address, but they haven't. Same for the Nests story, but I think they should stick to their plan for now, and wait until a little later to clean them up. Perhaps Nests loose ends could be in a side game or be a sub plot in future games.
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