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| Time Mage 1683th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Nenuco Vs Barriguitas"
, posted Thu 13 Nov 03:21
Although I'm a bit dissapointed, I still have faith in Matsuno. The final character models have the Nomura touch, which turns everything into the same (even if he's a good artist anyway). Or maybe he's the character designer, and not Akihiko Yoshida as I supposed... I dunno.
Anyway, it's good to notice that the female main character has an sword. Maybe we'll have a female main character with a physical job for once? Even going away only a little from the white magic + summons combo that looks like the trend for the heroine would be good for me.
And if the hero is not the typical sword user, and he turns to be something like a mage, or an strange job, or even a thief again (Locke and Zidane), it would be better.
BTW, Barrigitas are counter characters for Nenucos, they win 9:1 that match. Barrigitas are top tier in FF games.
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| NARUTO 1892th Post
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| "Re(3):Nenuco Vs Barriguitas" , posted Thu 13 Nov 03:58
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Although I'm a bit dissapointed, I still have faith in Matsuno. The final character models have the Nomura touch, which turns everything into the same (even if he's a good artist anyway). Or maybe he's the character designer, and not Akihiko Yoshida as I supposed... I dunno.
Anyway, it's good to notice that the female main character has an sword. Maybe we'll have a female main character with a physical job for once? Even going away only a little from the white magic + summons combo that looks like the trend for the heroine would be good for me.
And if the hero is not the typical sword user, and he turns to be something like a mage, or an strange job, or even a thief again (Locke and Zidane), it would be better.
BTW, Barrigitas are counter characters for Nenucos, they win 9:1 that match. Barrigitas are top tier in FF games.
I agree with Time mage, even if it sin't as surprising as we wsih it could be, the game look really fantastic to me so far.
the only thing I wish for now is a really good game system, since the X was really unpleasent to me.
Bring us something like FF 9 please!!!
BTW am I the only one to notice the strange creature at the hero's side?? isn't that those new lezard peoples from FF T on GBA???
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| Sensenic 905th Post
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| "Re(4):Nenuco Vs Barriguitas" , posted Thu 13 Nov 06:06
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Anyway, it's good to notice that the female main character has an sword. Maybe we'll have a female main character with a physical job for once? Even going away only a little from the white magic + summons combo that looks like the trend for the heroine would be good for me.
And if the hero is not the typical sword user, and he turns to be something like a mage, or an strange job, or even a thief again (Locke and Zidane), it would be better.
Agree on that, change of roles.
Must admit apart from chara design (-_- ugh) and that big armie thing (why does every story now have to have enormous armies and great epic battles in it, as I mentioned in the Revo thread? -Meh-), the rest still looks good. And I'll profit I'm listening to E Nomine's "Vater Unser" (Lord's Prayer) to pray for no more disappointments.
*Crosses fingers*,
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BTW am I the only one to notice the strange creature at the hero's side?? isn't that those new lezard peoples from FF T on GBA???
No, you're not. Hmm... but now I've thought (amazing!) about it, and came to the conclusion that maybe the connection with FFTA is the FF game the main charas are refering to at the beginning of the game could specifically be... FFXII. No?
If big eared moogles appear, it might be this way.
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BTW, Barrigitas are counter characters for Nenucos, they win 9:1 that match. Barrigitas are top tier in FF games.
 BARRIGUITAS ROCK
PS: BTW, seems we have a pirate from FF1 cameo?
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
Victoria Beckham (not confirmed)
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| DarkZero 474th Post
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| "Re(2):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Thu 13 Nov 15:12
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And while I certainly don't have any authority on this board, telling people to "lurk more" doesn't exactly create a pleasant atmosphere.
I was just sort of surprised that a lurker never noticed the monthly Final Fantasy X hate thread. Y'know, the one where someone mentions FFX, someone else says they hated it, someone else asks what anyone could possibly hate about FFX, and then a bunch of us savage it like wild dogs. I didn't mean anything more than that, certainly not anything insulting. I'm tired and it was a bad intro, but I think the main point came across.
In fact, I hope no one minds, but I'm just going to edit my post and remove that bit. It sounded a lot less nasty when that paragraph was originally about the monthly FFX hate threads, but when I changed it afterward to focus more on my own opinion, it just came off insulting and tasteless. Sorry about that.
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| Cain Highwind 297th Post
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| "Just saw the scan" , posted Thu 13 Nov 15:14:
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FFTA is crap.
Major disagreement, maybe RPG wise, it's not too hot, but it's far FAR FARRRR better than "crap". It's defentely one of the few RPGs I've enjoyed lately, and defintely one of the best GBA games to date.
As for the scans, it screams more "FFX" than I would've hoped (the poster screamed more FFT/FF9 I was hoping for a similiar art style)
But still it looks, IMHO, more medieval-ish with just a small ounce of sci-fi LIKE IT SHOULD BE and not the crazy opposite. Seeing CG Bangaa also raises my interest.
Come on, who DOESN'T want to see a 3D Viera Asassain pull of Last Breath.  *Major Drool*
And like Time Mage said, I still have faith in Matsuno making it true to the original Tactics. I was one of the few people who LIKED FFT-A's story for it's nice straight forward simplicity.
I agree, the female lead looks a lot like FFX-2 Yuna (Bleh!). I would've prefered something closer to the Female Hume Fighter from XI, but at least it doesn't SCREAM Lara Croft as Yuna did.
The Male lead I think looks good, He looks a LOT like (surprise surprise) an FFT Monk
http://www.ffcompendium.com/Jobs/monkt-a.jpg
Also the logo looks interesting (a demon weilding two swords) which could mean a lot of things for the story.
Anyway, it's Matsuno, and my interest in this game has peeked, now I just want to know about the Gameplay and how connected to FFT-A it is.
EDIT: And we can't make any judgements on the main lead yet, I mean Tidus was hated mostly because of his whiney attitude, this guy COULD be different. Or at least not annoying in a way that brings down the whole story like FFX did.
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| Krzyzewski Man
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| "Re(5):*barf*" , posted Thu 13 Nov 15:49
DarkZero, if you're looking for some new RPG with incredibly advanced difficulty, mind-boggling complexity and completely unique character types, you're going to be looking a long time. Let me make my case.
I believe I am correct in surmising that you have played dozens of RPG's in your lifetime. This in itself presents a new difficulty in finding a difficult game. While almost all RPGs have different systems, it all boils down to a bunch of numbers. Eventually, you shall become a master of RPGs (or at least a high-level expert), and challenge will be fleeting for you. To use an analogy, you are Akuma, and you're looking for a Ryu.
There is a famous quote that basically says "Everything has been done." This is the problem that has been confronting you; I'm not saying that nothing new will ever come along, but the chances of that happening are getting slimmer everyday.
So, some suggestions (so this doesn't look like a hopeless situation - and it isn't). One, try out a new type of games. You might even get addicted to Solitare - I know I was, for quite a few years. In this internet age, you might like to join a multiplayer game; one-on-one games have a vibrancy that can't be replicated by AI.
On the other hand, you could just keep buying these games for the story. Hey, the story might not suck. You never know.
Hey - I just thought of something. What if that guy really is going to be gay? That'd be a real can of worms.
Link Here Not mine who cares.
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| gigaton
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| "Re(3):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Thu 13 Nov 17:22
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And while I certainly don't have any authority on this board, telling people to "lurk more" doesn't exactly create a pleasant atmosphere.
I was just sort of surprised that a lurker never noticed the monthly Final Fantasy X hate thread. Y'know, the one where someone mentions FFX, someone else says they hated it, someone else asks what anyone could possibly hate about FFX, and then a bunch of us savage it like wild dogs. I didn't mean anything more than that, certainly not anything insulting. I'm tired and it was a bad intro, but I think the main point came across.
In fact, I hope no one minds, but I'm just going to edit my post and remove that bit. It sounded a lot less nasty when that paragraph was originally about the monthly FFX hate threads, but when I changed it afterward to focus more on my own opinion, it just came off insulting and tasteless. Sorry about that.
Yes I know people 'disliked' FFX. I referenced that in the bbpost I made. :) And everyone is entitled to their opinions. It just so happens that on the internet some folk scream loudly while the majority of players out there just get on with it and enjoy it for what it is. I think it goes without saying that the vast majority of people who are Final Fantasy fans enjoyed FFX but personal tastes /do/ vary. (I know someone who hated FF8 and loved 9 and folk who loved FF8 and hated FF9. Just the way it is)
My overall point was simply addressing the whole gun-jumping thing. To dislike the character designs due to a matter of personal taste is one thing (I for one like Nomaru's creative costuming and 'hyper' anime style and I really dislike Amano. Personal taste. There are others who disagree.) but some of us 'fans' have a habit of just going to far. Lets wait until after Nov 19th and then start complaining :)
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| Sensenic 909th Post
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| "Re(6):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 00:49:
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I thought Nomura didn't do the characters for this one though? What is this designer, a Mini-Me of NomuTetsu? They look like FFXI characters.
Hmmm... Now that I look at them more carefully, although a lot Nomura-ish (specially clothing-wise) they don't look Nomura's to me (and definitely they shouldn't be, since that other guy from Vagrant was announced as the designer).
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- Regardless, I'm still very much interested in playing FFXII. Matsuno alone would peak my interest but Matsuno + Yoko Shimomura? All the "j-rock all-star" main characters in the world can't keep me away.
Shimomura? Ain't Uematsu doing the music?
From Squaremusic.net:
Nobuo Uematsu also recently stated that he was excited about beginning work on the soundtrack to Final Fantasy XII. It is still not yet known if it will be a solo job or if he will again be assisted by other composer
EDIT: Maybe has she already been announced as the "other composer"?
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And the somewhat interesting architecture has now become the standard RPG castles and forts.
Anyway...It looks like the design is another apporach to the Fantasy SciFi genre. With a greater emphasis on medieval with some technology...sort of like FF6 technology 50 years later or something.
Aha, "techno-medieval", it still looks the same architecture as in the teaser poster: tall buildings metropolis-alike with flying machines around.
If they're castles or fortresses, well I can't say from there, but I'd say the right page one looks like one, but not the left ones which look like city buildings.
quote BTW, seems we have a pirate from FF1 cameo?
If I'm not mistaken... that's the Shonen Jump Pirate, that's probably where this ad appeared
D'oh! >_<
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
Victoria Beckham (not confirmed)
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| Whip's Disciple
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| "Re(1):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 01:52
I tend to come across as a different RPG player. My friends often tell me that this or that part of the gameplay is boring and repetitive and most of the time, I undoubtedly agree.
RPGs for me are like a nice engrossing storybook, with interesting characters and story. One of the things that an RPG takes away would be imagination, which means the the character designs have to be good. It isn't a big deal if the main character looks the same, I just wish that he wouldn't look like a clown. Is that so much to ask?
I'm surprised that man gamers are not turned off by the lack of closure in Sqaure games. Books tend to have endings, why can't my RPG? I adored FF7 until the ending where the world either goes to hell or is saved, I coudln't really tell the difference. The only reason why I enjoy 8 more than any other FF (that I played) is because it at least gave me a happily ever after.
Some of you, like my friends, might go tell me to read a book. Most of the time I probably do, but a good RPG can be so much more satisfying.
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| NARUTO 1901th Post
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| "Re(7):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 03:50
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I thought Nomura didn't do the characters for this one though? What is this designer, a Mini-Me of NomuTetsu? They look like FFXI characters.
Hmmm... Now that I look at them more carefully, although a lot Nomura-ish (specially clothing-wise) they don't look Nomura's to me (and definitely they shouldn't be, since that other guy from Vagrant was announced as the designer).
Thanks!!
It's not because they look like Nomura's art that they are Nomura's art.
And IMO as I all ready say I didn't find them Nomura-ish, look at FFX 2 art and you'll see a diffrence!
And even if they look close, it doesn't mean that the scenario, battle system and other will be close to...
I mean even the characters story and act could be very diffrent, even if Van looks like Tida, it doesn't mean he'll be a crying baby who complain all the time like him.
Imo wen't I look the pics I see more someone like jidane fromm FF9, someone who joke all the time...
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Looking at these designs, I'm doubtful FFXII will have good characters.
Well you're really strong if you can judge something like 20 characters playbles or not with only 2 artwork....Strong really....
IMO this game seems to me one of the Best FF ever, the art and graphism looks cnice enough already to me.
All I'm waiting for now is a good battle system, and a really good story, and for that I need to wait before making a true and sure opinion.
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| Mosquiton 984th Post
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| "Re(1):Just saw the scan" , posted Fri 14 Nov 07:05
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FFTA is crap.
Major disagreement, maybe RPG wise, it's not too hot, but it's far FAR FARRRR better than "crap". It's defentely one of the few RPGs I've enjoyed lately, and defintely one of the best GBA games to date.
As for the scans, it screams more "FFX" than I would've hoped (the poster screamed more FFT/FF9 I was hoping for a similiar art style)
But still it looks, IMHO, more medieval-ish with just a small ounce of sci-fi LIKE IT SHOULD BE and not the crazy opposite. Seeing CG Bangaa also raises my interest.
Come on, who DOESN'T want to see a 3D Viera Asassain pull of Last Breath. *Major Drool*
And like Time Mage said, I still have faith in Matsuno making it true to the original Tactics. I was one of the few people who LIKED FFT-A's story for it's nice straight forward simplicity.
I agree, the female lead looks a lot like FFX-2 Yuna (Bleh!). I would've prefered something closer to the Female Hume Fighter from XI, but at least it doesn't SCREAM Lara Croft as Yuna did.
The Male lead I think looks good, He looks a LOT like (surprise surprise) an FFT Monk
http://www.ffcompendium.com/Jobs/monkt-a.jpg
Also the logo looks interesting (a demon weilding two swords) which could mean a lot of things for the story.
Anyway, it's Matsuno, and my interest in this game has peeked, now I just want to know about the Gameplay and how connected to FFT-A it is.
EDIT: And we can't make any judgements on the main lead yet, I mean Tidus was hated mostly because of his whiney attitude, this guy COULD be different. Or at least not annoying in a way that brings down the whole story like FFX did.
Thanks man, you saved me a lot of work. And speaking of FFT-A, which many people on this board really dig, it took A LOT of flak when the first design pics first went up and it's gone on to be very successful and popular with the critics.
I can't say I'm impressed with these designs... but I still have a lot of interest in the game itself.
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| NARUTO 1903th Post
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| "Re(5):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 07:48
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the game can't be judged just by those pics. maye graphic wise. i'm sure most of u will end up loving it. =P
Amen to that!!!^^
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Come on, who DOESN'T want to see a 3D Viera Asassain pull of Last Breath. *Major Drool*
NOT ME!!! Come on! Look at al the post so far, most of them criticize a Nomura-ish style, but you wish to see all the species from FFTA???? SO them it should turn into a "FFTA Nomura's style!!" no??
IMO this Game should have is own graphic style, thing he already have hand his own "univers" if I could say. You got a Bangaa, Ok deal with it, and let the rooms free for other FF species from other FF games Like FFCC moggles (I hate the FFTA Rabit style moggles!!!>_<!!)For FF11 mithra women, FF8 Moobas, And Pointy hat Black mages...
Because If FF 12 is taking Everything from FFTA, then you'll have your Copy and paste game, more tham just CG art......
As I said I'll wait until the 19 to make me a better opinion.
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| NARUTO 1905th Post
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| "Re(7):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 08:18
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Naruto is getting angry...
Much like Square RPG's plots, the fans are full of angst.
Angst isn't the word I'll use, but I'm quite disapoited that most of the peoples here all ready bash the game with the very little info we got on it.
If they spend more time to look at the pics thay'll see that those aren't so Nomura-ish and even if it was the case, does that make the game a piece of crap??
In a diffrent way when Falcoon was annouced for KOF 2003 art I didn't saw anyone conplaining, Even if IMO this guy have a drawing style so close to Nona's, IMO the 2k2 and 2k3 Billy, arn't that much diffrent on the art. does that mean that KOF 2003 will as bad, or as good as KOF 2002??
IMO I don't think so because Falcoon and Nona's are have nothing to do with the Fun the game will give to me.
And such thing can be said for FF 12 even is the art looks close or even if the characters aren't so diffrent from FF X, it doesn't tell me how the game will be or not.
Maybe it'll turn into crap, but maybe we'll get the best FF game ever so, here only time will tell.
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| Sensenic 910th Post
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| "Re(8):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 09:12
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If they spend more time to look at the pics thay'll see that those aren't so Nomura-ish and even if it was the case, does that make the game a piece of crap??
Nopew, that makes the character design a piece of crap. and in a RPG it's an important fact (not the only one, of course).
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In a diffrent way when Falcoon was annouced for KOF 2003 art I didn't saw anyone conplaining, Even if IMO this guy have a drawing style so close to Nona's, IMO the 2k2 and 2k3 Billy, arn't that much diffrent on the art. does that mean that KOF 2003 will as bad, or as good as KOF 2002??
IMO I don't think so because Falcoon and Nona's are have nothing to do with the Fun the game will give to me.
And such thing can be said for FF 12 even is the art looks close or even if the characters aren't so diffrent from FF X, it doesn't tell me how the game will be or not.
Oi! Slow there boy, FFXII chara design and the example you're mentioning are REALLY different things.
Of course in KOF2003 Nona's or Falcoon's drawings aren't going to affect your enjoying of the game because they only do the OFFICIAL ART; but when playing you use the sprites made by the SNK art team or "whoeverelse". And I must point I guess neither Nona nor Falcoon nor anyone else of'em artists designs any of these characters, SNK guys do, they only draw them, correct me if I'm wrong.
But, in an RPG's case, the characters ingame are made to look as in the artists' design, not viceversa, so in this case the final result does depend on the artist, who here is acting as character designer.
Mmmh... I'll be glad if you can understand anything of what I wrote. Oh boy, why can't I write like some of you guys do?... u_uU
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Maybe it'll turn into crap, but maybe we'll get the best FF game ever so, here only time will tell.
Universal truth. These posts always end with someone saying "let's wait and see".
So far I'm only criticising (main) chara design and "¿necessary? epic battle scene", which are confirmed things.
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
Victoria Beckham (not confirmed)
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| Hungrywolf 2479th Post
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| "Re(9):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 09:36
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If they spend more time to look at the pics thay'll see that those aren't so Nomura-ish and even if it was the case, does that make the game a piece of crap??
Nopew, that makes the character design a piece of crap. and in a RPG it's an important fact (not the only one, of course).
In a diffrent way when Falcoon was annouced for KOF 2003 art I didn't saw anyone conplaining, Even if IMO this guy have a drawing style so close to Nona's, IMO the 2k2 and 2k3 Billy, arn't that much diffrent on the art. does that mean that KOF 2003 will as bad, or as good as KOF 2002??
IMO I don't think so because Falcoon and Nona's are have nothing to do with the Fun the game will give to me.
And such thing can be said for FF 12 even is the art looks close or even if the characters aren't so diffrent from FF X, it doesn't tell me how the game will be or not.
Oi! Slow there boy, FFXII chara design and the example you're mentioning are REALLY different things.
Of course in KOF2003 Nona's or Falcoon's drawings aren't going to affect your enjoying of the game because they only do the OFFICIAL ART; but when playing you use the sprites made by the SNK art team or "whoeverelse". And I must point I guess neither Nona nor Falcoon nor anyone else of'em artists designs any of these characters, SNK guys do, they only draw them, correct me if I'm wrong.
But, in an RPG's case, the characters ingame are made to look as in the artists' design, not viceversa, so in this case the final result does depend on the artist, who here is acting as character designer.
Mmmh... I'll be glad if you can understand anything of what I wrote. Oh boy, why can't I write like some of you guys do?... u_uU
Maybe it'll turn into crap, but maybe we'll get the best FF game ever so, here only time will tell.
Universal truth. These posts always end with someone saying "let's wait and see".
So far I'm only criticising (main) chara design and "¿necessary? epic battle scene", which are confirmed things.
While gameplay is definately important, in an RPG, the characters and story are the most important part to me. Characters come first, because if I don't like the main characters, then I'm probably not gonna have any chance of liking the game. I'm willing to give XII a chance, of course, but these characters don't excite me at all. Of course, I don't know anything about their personalities yet, but physically they are definately turning me off.
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| Cain Highwind 300th Post
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| "Re(6):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Fri 14 Nov 11:55
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Come on, who DOESN'T want to see a 3D Viera Asassain pull of Last Breath. *Major Drool*
NOT ME!!! Come on! Look at al the post so far, most of them criticize a Nomura-ish style, but you wish to see all the species from FFTA???? SO them it should turn into a "FFTA Nomura's style!!" no??
I understand what you're saying, except there's one thing you don't realize.
The designs are NOT Nomura, it's supposed to be the FFT/Vagrant Story/Ogre Battle designer. I just think the transition from sketch to CG makes it LOOK like Nomura.
Look at Final Fantasy Origins (FFI+II for the PSX) The characters were originally done by Amano, but WITHOUT Tetsuya Nomura, the CG versions almost look like his work.
But unlike you, I'd LIKE to see soem CG Viera, just for the sake of seeing how they'd look, NOT because they'll be "Nomura-style" because I know he probably has little to nothing to do with this title.
IMO this Game should have is own graphic style, thing he already have hand his own "univers" if I could say. You got a Bangaa, Ok deal with it, and let the rooms free for other FF species from other FF games Like FFCC moggles (I hate the FFTA Rabit style moggles!!!>_<!!)For FF11 mithra women, FF8 Moobas, And Pointy hat Black mages...
Because If FF 12 is taking Everything from FFTA, then you'll have your Copy and paste game, more tham just CG art......
As I said I'll wait until the 19 to make me a better opinion.
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| NARUTO 1910th Post
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| "Re(7):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sat 15 Nov 05:08:
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I understand what you're saying, except there's one thing you don't realize.
The designs are NOT Nomura, it's supposed to be the FFT/Vagrant Story/Ogre Battle designer. I just think the transition from sketch to CG makes it LOOK like Nomura.
You said it only the CG have this close look so wait to see the true art before telling those are look alike, we didn't even saw an other characters, who even in CG could break this "effect" of close looking, as I said even on the Art and CG, wait to see everything, all the cast and world...
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Look at Final Fantasy Origins (FFI+II for the PSX) The characters were originally done by Amano, but WITHOUT Tetsuya Nomura, the CG versions almost look like his work.
well if you look to the Nomaru FFX art work and them to the CG you'll see a diffrence, why? because Nomura doesn't draw realisticaly, and NOW you're telling me that those doesn't look like Vagant story characters designer dude??? Hey boy! look close to Vagrant Intro movie dude mullenKamp doesn't look similar to his art!!! he's drawing style is so particular that you can turn it into CG so easily....
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But unlike you, I'd LIKE to see soem CG Viera, just for the sake of seeing how they'd look, NOT because they'll be "Nomura-style" because I know he probably has little to nothing to do with this title.
this wasn't the point of my answer...
I don't care about the Style they'll be drawn.
I was just telling you that if Viera, or any other FFTA specices will be here, this will make a true copy and paste "effect", more that a simple CG look alike "effect".
Sinsenic: Don't take it bad but huge war scenes was always in FF series....
If I'm right FF 4 starts with peoples comming back from some war, isn't there a war part in FF6, isn't there a war scene in FF8 during the Garden battles, isn't there a war scene in FF 9 when the black mages attacks?? War scenes are a par of the FF stories, just like chocobos, Cid, and many other things.
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| sabo10 767th Post
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| "Re(8):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sat 15 Nov 06:54
I too have been a long-time fan of Tera and truly hate to see it come to this. I have played for over 3 years and in all that time have never seen Tera so grim is it has been in the last few months. When I first started there was a small amount of petty bickering and such, but nothing to the exstent of what has gone on latley. In my point of view, Tera needed to be changed, not shut down per say, but changed. Clans waged war with each other simply for the Your pleas go unanswered, and your possible attempts to sway me with any form of reverse psychology go unnoticed. I already know what is going to be done i didn't say she woz ugly. i sed she woz o.k. It woz U! not dat im accusing u or ne thing...^^ Like ur pixemic site! So purty! i still gotto do my CCS site but i just can't bring my self round 2 do it...too lazy. it b done soon. So dun think im not gonna do it but i also gotto do lotza otha stuffs. like my FIFA assignment. Well gotto do my manga...hmmm i wanted 2 do a wallpaper site b4 but woz 2 lazy...mayb i should make 1 n link ippy as my affiliate. Hope ur dance just maybe someday i'll forgive that person. when... if they prove they didn't truly mean that. or perhaps if they regret what was done. but that's unlikely. maybe someday i'll forgive if they ever change but i'll never forget what they did. and i'll never forget many other things that other people did. i'll never forget that sadness or... well whatever you'd call those memories. because that's what they are. memories. memories aren't meant to be forgotten. he had some hard times, and I think we all know what I mean, and I hope that we were able to support him through that like he supported us oh-so many times, thank you Ryo. That goes for Symn too, although he's no longer a member of I know this doest apply to most of my fellow mudders, but the same should apply for everyone. Tera fell apart due to the lack of caring for rules or for the sake and enjoyment of others. If there had been more people like the members of doubt this would have happend. Let's just hope we all learn from this, and not make the same mistake again. to my hair, and I shall not reveal it to you or anyone else that I see to being unworthy. Anyone who would try to continuously try to make me into something you'll never learn anything that way.... so much to say about this game. Most definately my favorite game. I am lucky enough to have friends that would sell me such an amazing game. Join Terra, Locke, Edgar, Gau and most important; Shadow on their fucking amazing quest. If you don't have the the asshole running the Chrono Trigger site would give it up and hand the name over to someone who deserves it and will actually put Chrono Trigger content on it. =[ Without further hesitation, here is what you have but then... i thought about last year when I heard about it. I didn't care that the towers fell. it meant nothing really to me. i have no attachment to that honestly. but i remember other things. i was sad for my friends on mailing lists i'm on... and.. especially on the RP... the weiss RP... it's gone now but i remember... the Nagi... is brother died. he was on the plane that hit the pentagon. and his friend's father was IN the pentagon. i wanted to cry. our Nagi was... well one of those really nice people. it was sad because i knew someone who actually lost someone. i remeber one of my teachers lost someone close. a family friend. that didn't bother me too much. but Nagi was sort of a friend. it was an RP. we were went alright Em!!! means to purchase this, you can download an emulator and the game at probably the most dedicated FF3 Page out there. But I fucking wish been waiting for... Little pictures...at it had to end like this, and not in person, but it is how it is. I would especially like to thank Ryoga has once again tried to do so. But this time was different, this time was special, this time was just plain fun. To put it in simpler terms, she told me to cut my hair and stop being delusional about thinking I actually look good; and to that I basically gave her a gentlemanly fuck-you! I feel so good about myself. I've been getting a lot of crap aver the past year about my hair and I have persevered to not give a flying fuck about what people think about my hair. I've learned that it's the best thing to happen to my looks since I learned to love black clothing. My best buddies in the whole wide world all agree that I look so much better now then when my hair was cut. I agree. So basically, if you thought I was much sexier with my hair short, then you're gonna have to find for this love for lgcy. I know of there-own design is not worthy of my time and needs to take a good look at themselves. fun of PKing. There are wow, ...maybe.like a family. so....
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| Cain Highwind 301th Post
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| "Re(8):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sat 15 Nov 12:04
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You said it only the CG have this close look so wait to see the true art before telling those are look alike, we didn't even saw an other characters, who even in CG could break this "effect" of close looking, as I said even on the Art and CG, wait to see everything, all the cast and world...
I have a hard time understanding you. Let's see if I can figure out what you're trying to say:
So you're saying I'm jumping the gun calling this Nomura style? WTF!?! That's what you're doing. All I was saying is the same as you, let's wait till we see some more designs first before we judge this as another "Nomura-like" cast.
And to clarify I'm not a big fan of Nomura.
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well if you look to the Nomaru FFX art work and them to the CG you'll see a diffrence, why? because Nomura doesn't draw realisticaly, and NOW you're telling me that those doesn't look like Vagant story characters designer dude??? Hey boy! look close to Vagrant Intro movie dude mullenKamp doesn't look similar to his art!!! he's drawing style is so particular that you can turn it into CG so easily....
Okay I think we're confusing the hell out of each other. I was saying that ther'es a huge difference between Original Sketch and CG, you're saying that also applies to Nomura. You're right, the same also applies here. But compare two CGs together and it can still look like the same artist.
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this wasn't the point of my answer...
I don't care about the Style they'll be drawn.
I was just telling you that if Viera, or any other FFTA specices will be here, this will make a true copy and paste "effect", more that a simple CG look alike "effect".
So you're saying the reason you don't want to see any of the FFT-A races in this because it's a simple "copy and paste" and nothing original? Sorry I disagree, FF has always been about reusing some of the previous aspcts of a title in a new title to tie it together. Remember, a different artist did FFT-A than FFT. Perhaps Yoshida and the CG crew can make the races actually look cool and menacing with extra (less cartoony) details. THAT'S why I would like to see the FFT races. Because it would NOT be a simple copy. What about Moogles or Chocobos? Or Bahamut and Ifrit? You're basically saying FF is unoriginal becauyse they keep using those. You're contradicting yourself.
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| NARUTO 1913th Post
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| "Re(9):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sun 16 Nov 04:02
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I have a hard time understanding you. Let's see if I can figure out what you're trying to say:
So you're saying I'm jumping the gun calling this Nomura style? WTF!?! That's what you're doing. All I was saying is the same as you, let's wait till we see some more designs first before we judge this as another "Nomura-like" cast.
And to clarify I'm not a big fan of Nomura.
OK, right there was a misunderstood here...
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Okay I think we're confusing the hell out of each other. I was saying that ther'es a huge difference between Original Sketch and CG, you're saying that also applies to Nomura. You're right, the same also applies here. But compare two CGs together and it can still look like the same artist.
OK here again on the Sketch things there was a misunderstood, but still, about the CG I didn't have this look alike "effect".
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So you're saying the reason you don't want to see any of the FFT-A races in this because it's a simple "copy and paste" and nothing original? Sorry I disagree, FF has always been about reusing some of the previous aspcts of a title in a new title to tie it together. Remember, a different artist did FFT-A than FFT. Perhaps Yoshida and the CG crew can make the races actually look cool and menacing with extra (less cartoony) details. THAT'S why I would like to see the FFT races. Because it would NOT be a simple copy. What about Moogles or Chocobos? Or Bahamut and Ifrit? You're basically saying FF is unoriginal becauyse they keep using those. You're contradicting yourself.
NO I'm not. Sure FF series was always about using some material of other FF, but never all!
If now we put all FFTA species, this turn in a FFTA "copy and paste" World, Or if they only take bangaas, and Moobas (for exemple) then they'll use species of 2 different game making a mix of them...
I think that it'll be more intersting if the Cross species of diffrent FF game, than jus FFTA species.
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| DarkZero 478th Post
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| "Re(7):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sun 16 Nov 05:04
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NOT ME!!! Come on! Look at al the post so far, most of them criticize a Nomura-ish style, but you wish to see all the species from FFTA???? SO them it should turn into a "FFTA Nomura's style!!" no??
I understand what you're saying, except there's one thing you don't realize.
The designs are NOT Nomura, it's supposed to be the FFT/Vagrant Story/Ogre Battle designer. I just think the transition from sketch to CG makes it LOOK like Nomura.
Look at Final Fantasy Origins (FFI+II for the PSX) The characters were originally done by Amano, but WITHOUT Tetsuya Nomura, the CG versions almost look like his work.
This is where I think the problem really lies. Regardless of what designer they use, the products of the CG team always look very similar and we've simply learned to associate them with Nomura because of FFVII and VIII. It's sort of like what happened to Yoshitaka Amano with the original Vampire Hunter D film. Amano drew his typical beautiful, anorexic characters, but what appeared on screen? The same filled-out, borderline chubby anime characters that were typical of '80s anime.
Amano drew the FFI-VI characters and IX characters, Nomura drew the VII, VIII, and X characters, and now someone else is drawing the XII characters, but they all look the same in-game because of the teams for the FMV scenes and the in-game 3D models. That's why Garnet looked like nothing more than an SD Rinoa, even though their designs didn't look very similar at all, and Zidane didn't look THAT different than the other FF bishonen heroes.
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| Sensenic 916th Post
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| "Re(8):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sun 16 Nov 07:44:
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Sinsenic:
SENsenic. -Ahem- n_n.
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Don't take it bad but huge war scenes was always in FF series....
If I'm right FF 4 starts with peoples comming back from some war, isn't there a war part in FF6, isn't there a war scene in FF8 during the Garden battles, isn't there a war scene in FF 9 when the black mages attacks?? War scenes are a par of the FF stories, just like chocobos, Cid, and many other things.
That said... You <censored>, how can you tell me not to take bad your comment??!! How do you dare to tell me big war scenes are inherent to FF??!! How...
Naah, of course I don't take it bad, and I even agree with you, to a certain point. It's just this kind of "trend" that has appeared now that first bored me because of its lack of originality and now is getting me angry. Even if FF, as an epic and whatnot story, has always had big battle scenes and such, it's also starting to give me the feeling they're joining it, and thus I don't like it having this big army, even if they don't do it for the money.
What do I mean? What is this trend I'm talking about? Easy: It seems (to me) now that if a fantasy (or sci-fi) story doesn't have a CG [crescendo]massive, huge, GROUNDBREAKING, NEVER-EVER-SEEN-BEFORE, YOU'LL-BELIEVE-THE-UNBELIEVABLE, GIGANTIC UBER-EPIC BATTLE SCENE!!!![/crescendo] Arf, arf... it's not a good (aka, profitable) fantasy story anymore.
Do you know when in the 50s (or so) they did these Roman superproductions with "THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF EXTRAS!!" like Cleopatra? It's just the same with CGs now.
Just look at Episode II, the last 2 LOTRs, Revolutions, Troy (the first scene of its trailer, the fleet, has done the opposite effect on me, I've reeaally lost interest in this movie. And I didn't even know it before  ), etc.
I know it's pure 100% subjective personal opinion, but it's something that's really getting on my nerves.
Apart from that, big battles as I'm considering them, I don't think they're so usual in FFs. Yes, I said I agree more or less with you, of course there are battles and wars and armies, blah, blah... But scenes as the ones I mean (The Helm's wossname battle in The 2 towers, for example), don't recall so many right now. About your examples, you've already been corrected in the first one -meh, too late, I hate not having time -. A big war and army part in FF6? No... There's a big war referenced but never shown, except one scene and it's not as much about big armies but about magic fighting; you have 2 armies and at least 1 of them really big, but they aren't shown at full at any moment (AFAIR),
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there's no big battle between them because of other things that happen; you have a castle siege, but a slow, poisoning-including, siege, not a massive one; you even have an Esper attack and an Armageddon  , but they're not this kind of scenes I'm referring to
End of Spoiler
As for 8, I know at least of one indeed, the one you mention, and 9 has some of them, yup. But, don't know why, perhaps because they're previous to this "big army madness", they don't give me the same feeling as this one.
But well, who knows, let's just... (guess what comes here).
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| NARUTO 1915th Post
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| "Re(9):FF12 Pics leaking" , posted Sun 16 Nov 11:37
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Sinsenic:
SENsenic. -Ahem- n_n.
Oups! My apologies for that...
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That said... You <censored>, how can you tell me not to take bad your comment??!! How do you dare to tell me big war scenes are inherent to FF??!! How...
Naah, of course I don't take it bad, and I even agree with you, to a certain point. It's just this kind of "trend" that has appeared now that first bored me because of its lack of originality and now is getting me angry. Even if FF, as an epic and whatnot story, has always had big battle scenes and such, it's also starting to give me the feeling they're joining it, and thus I don't like it having this big army, even if they don't do it for the money.
What do I mean? What is this trend I'm talking about? Easy: It seems (to me) now that if a fantasy (or sci-fi) story doesn't have a CG [crescendo]massive, huge, GROUNDBREAKING, NEVER-EVER-SEEN-BEFORE, YOU'LL-BELIEVE-THE-UNBELIEVABLE, GIGANTIC UBER-EPIC BATTLE SCENE!!!![/crescendo] Arf, arf... it's not a good (aka, profitable) fantasy story anymore.
Do you know when in the 50s (or so) they did these Roman superproductions with "THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF EXTRAS!!" like Cleopatra? It's just the same with CGs now.
Just look at Episode II, the last 2 LOTRs, Revolutions, Troy (the first scene of its trailer, the fleet, has done the opposite effect on me, I've reeaally lost interest in this movie. And I didn't even know it before ), etc.
I know it's pure 100% subjective personal opinion, but it's something that's really getting on my nerves.
Apart from that, big battles as I'm considering them, I don't think they're so usual in FFs. Yes, I said I agree more or less with you, of course there are battles and wars and armies, blah, blah... But scenes as the ones I mean (The Helm's wossname battle in The 2 towers, for example), don't recall so many right now. About your examples, you've already been corrected in the first one -meh, too late, I hate not having time -. A big war and army part in FF6? No... There's a big war referenced but never shown, except one scene and it's not as much about big armies but about magic fighting; you have 2 armies and at least 1 of them really big, but they aren't shown at full at any moment (AFAIR),
As for 8, I know at least of one indeed, the one you mention, and 9 has some of them, yup. But, don't know why, perhaps because they're previous to this "big army madness", they don't give me the same feeling as this one.
But well, who knows, let's just... (guess what comes here).
I know, what you mean, it's just that we all know that those will be a part of the FF game from now, and for ever...
Let's just hope that those won't just be eye candy, but a true material for the scenario to move forward.
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