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| Riskbreaker
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|  "Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red"
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The pictures on the link below are graphic in nature (dead dolphins).
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Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red
Animal activists have released a video of Japanese fisherman hacking to death dolphins they had trapped at a small port.
An American anti-whaling group trying to stop the massacre took footage of the recent hunt that shows blood-filled coves and several dead dolphins being brought ashore in boats.
The tape, shot by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, graphically captures the end of a hunt, in which fishermen pound on the water, causing waves that confuse the mammals' sense of direction, and then corral dolphins into small coves where they can be more easily killed with sickles.
Though subject to government-set quotas, the hunts are not banned under Japanese law and are not subject to international regulations because they are done near the shore.
Several dead or dying dolphins can be seen on the boats, bleeding profusely, in the footage. Activist Nik Hensey said: "It's a wholesale slaughter, which results in immense suffering for these animals. It's a sight that one just can't imagine."
The mayor and officials in Taiji refused to comment, but a fisherman's union representative said the kills are conducted as humanely as possible and pointed out the hunts have been part of local culture for 400 years. Hunting dolphins is not banned by the International Whaling Commission.
Fishermen in Taiji regularly conduct dolphin hunts during the October to April season. They have caught more than 60 striped dolphins so far this year under the government quota system. The meat is usually canned and sold in supermarkets.
But because of international pressure for an end to the killing of dolphins and the bloodiness of their hunting method, fishermen here have tried to keep out of the public eye. They do not permit videos of their hunts, refuse on-the-record interviews and have put barriers along the shoreline to discourage cameramen.
The Sea Shepherd activists said they managed to get the video by camping out in the town for several weeks. Three activists from the California-based conservation group were briefly detained by Japanese police after trying to stop a dolphin hunt and scuffling with a fisherman earlier this month.
The activists - a Briton, a Canadian and an American all in their 20s - were held for about nine hours of questioning before being released. They weren't charged with any crimes. Japan is one of the few major fishing nations that continues to support the hunting of whales and dolphins.
© Associated Press
Story filed: 11:59 Wednesday 29th October 2003
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| Just a Person 602th Post
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| "Re(2):Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red" , posted Wed 29 Oct 12:46
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Yet another example of American animal activist groups sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. Seriously... why am I supposed to care about this? Yes, I'm rather fond of animals and yes, animals bred or caught for eating purposes should be killed in the most humane way possible. However...
a) Dolphins aren't endangered. (not by a long shot)
b) Human beings around the world are suffering, starving, and dying and these pretentious pricks wanna spend their money and invest their time in to making sure dolphins are humanely killed (oxymoron) and monkeys aren't used to test possibly life-saving drugs?! Way to have your priorities straight.
c) Dolphin is tasty.
Sorry... I'm fresh out of pity today.
I agree with everything you said (except with c), but do all the reasons you mentioned make it something innocent and ignorable? No! I agree, we can´t ignore human beings. In the monkeys subject, maybe it´s better if the tests are made in them, but at least don´t let them suffer very much. As for the dolphins, they aren´t endangered, but it´s cruel (not to mention predatory) to kill them in such a huge quantity and for greedy people who kills many more dolphins than the necessary, just throwing away their corpses like if it was garbage. Now, are the loans gotten from this activity being reverted to these suffering human beings? No, I don´t think so.
Yashiro, sorry if I was rude,that wasn´t my intention. I truly respect your opinions, but I´ll only agree with this threat to animals´ lives when it really helps the poor people around the world.
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| Just a Person 603th Post
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| "Re(1):this is truly a disturbing universe." , posted Wed 29 Oct 12:57
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It would probably be different if this was just some footage of a bunch of evil people who got together and slaughtered some dolphins, but considering this is a bunch of fisherman who do this for a living, in a country that still condones the hunt, for the sake of societies pleasure (ie: dining). I don't think any activist group has a right to impose, certainly not an activist group from a completely differnet country.
-F.
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You know, I haven´t looked at the subject by this view. That´s right, they´re fishermen who do this for living. No one can condemn them for killing dolphins, the question is: is it necessary to kill ALL the dolphins they kill? If the answer is yes, then there´s no reason to complain about it (even though it still sounds depressing); however, if the answer is no, someone should teach them that dolphin hunting in excess is terrible...
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| trufenix
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| "Re(2):this is truly a disturbing universe." , posted Wed 29 Oct 13:05
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You know, I haven´t looked at the subject by this view. That´s right, they´re fishermen who do this for living. No one can condemn them for killing dolphins, the question is: is it necessary to kill ALL the dolphins they kill? If the answer is yes, then there´s no reason to complain about it (even though it still sounds depressing); however, if the answer is no, someone should teach them that dolphin hunting in excess is terrible...
Well, that's pretty much the key element of the debate. If you look at it from our standpoint you can say, well dolphins aren't extinct, and plenty of people in Japan like eating dolphin. If you look at it from the dolphin (or activist) standpoint, you've got a river full of dead dolphins. Personally, yes, it is a gruesome visage, but Dolphins are not on the brink of extinction, people like eating Dolphin, and most importantly Japan (where this is taking place) seems to think the practice is alright.
In fact, the article even mentions that they purposely keep the spectacle out of public eye, because they acknowledge it may offend some people, but lets face it, nobody really wants to see a cow get a slug in the head, yet it happens every day and nobody complains when they eat their meatloaf.
Like Isaid, I would be more simpathetic, if these guys were:
a) breaking the law
b) In a country where it wasn't legal
c) advertising it for all the world to see
But since it was a bunch of 20 something year old foreign activists taking footage they weren't supposed to be taking, and then being shocked by what they found, I can't cry bloody murder.
IMO, they're more guilty for releasing the damned footage to the public, than the guys sitting their slaughtering dolphins to feed their families.
Bah, humans.
-F.
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| Just a Person 605th Post
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| "Re(3):this is truly a disturbing universe." , posted Wed 29 Oct 13:12
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Well, that's pretty much the key element of the debate. If you look at it from our standpoint you can say, well dolphins aren't extinct, and plenty of people in Japan like eating dolphin. If you look at it from the dolphin (or activist) standpoint, you've got a river full of dead dolphins. Personally, yes, it is a gruesome visage, but Dolphins are not on the brink of extinction, people like eating Dolphin, and most importantly Japan (where this is taking place) seems to think the practice is alright.
In fact, the article even mentions that they purposely keep the spectacle out of public eye, because they acknowledge it may offend some people, but lets face it, nobody really wants to see a cow get a slug in the head, yet it happens every day and nobody complains when they eat their meatloaf.
Like Isaid, I would be more simpathetic, if these guys were:
a) breaking the law
b) In a country where it wasn't legal
c) advertising it for all the world to see
But since it was a bunch of 20 something year old foreign activists taking footage they weren't supposed to be taking, and then being shocked by what they found, I can't cry bloody murder.
IMO, they're more guilty for releasing the damned footage to the public, than the guys sitting their slaughtering dolphins to feed their families.
Bah, humans.
-F.
True with that. It´s also cruel killing cows, and the three foreigners really forgot that they´re dealing with a different culture (in China some people eat dogs, right?). Maybe the fact that I´m vegetarian is the reason why I´m still shocked with these pictures, but you´re right, if they´re doing this for eating, I don´t think they´re wrong.
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| Undead Fred 1025th Post
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| "Japan Chainsaw Dolphin Massacre" , posted Wed 29 Oct 14:38:
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Yet another example of American animal activist groups sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. Seriously... why am I supposed to care about this? Yes, I'm rather fond of animals and yes, animals bred or caught for eating purposes should be killed in the most humane way possible. However...
a) Dolphins aren't endangered. (not by a long shot)
b) Human beings around the world are suffering, starving, and dying and these pretentious pricks wanna spend their money and invest their time in to making sure dolphins are humanely killed (oxymoron) and monkeys aren't used to test possibly life-saving drugs?! Way to have your priorities straight.
c) Dolphin is tasty.
Sorry... I'm fresh out of pity today.
I know, I agree. Yeah, dolphins are cute, but they're also edible. I don't know anything about how hard it is to kill a dolphin, so maybe hacking them up with a sickle is the only way to go. These people are whining about the dolphins getting killed, but it's not like the fishermen aren't going to eat the dolphins they kill (or sell them to people that want to eat them, either one). Animal rights people will whine regardless of the method people use to kill the animals they're going to eat. And they'll totally let rage-infected monkeys out of their cages REGARDLESS OF THE COST TO HUMANITY. There are too many other things wrong in the world that these people should worry about first.
Too many hippies... ugh.
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| DarkZero 426th Post
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| "Re(3):Potential pareto improvements" , posted Wed 29 Oct 14:45
When I found this on Drudge Report earlier today, there was already a question about whether or not the photos had been faked, and I think it's a valid question. The photos seem to come from the Associated Press, but they really don't. They were given to the AP by this animal activist group. So first off, there's no verification by a reliable reporter that these pictures are real. And second, they just look really, really fake. I don't think I've ever seen anything spill into the water and immediately cover every single inch of it. Not oil, not red tide, and not any other liquid. And in the closeup shots, no one on that boat is covered in blood.
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This is an anime/videogame board. Not politics, not dolphins (unless this is Dolphin Blue or Ecco).
No one tied you down and forced you to look at the thread. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
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| Hungrywolf 2468th Post
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| "Re(4):Potential pareto improvements" , posted Wed 29 Oct 15:46
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When I found this on Drudge Report earlier today, there was already a question about whether or not the photos had been faked, and I think it's a valid question. The photos seem to come from the Associated Press, but they really don't. They were given to the AP by this animal activist group. So first off, there's no verification by a reliable reporter that these pictures are real. And second, they just look really, really fake. I don't think I've ever seen anything spill into the water and immediately cover every single inch of it. Not oil, not red tide, and not any other liquid. And in the closeup shots, no one on that boat is covered in blood.
Interesting, I didn't even think about that when I glanced at the picture, but it is awfully red, so it could definately be fake.
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| OYashiroForever 584th Post
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| "Re(2):Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red" , posted Wed 29 Oct 23:58
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I guess I'll be the other side of this debate as probably the only PETA member (I'm not crazy hardcore before people try to use that as a way of discrediting my opinion) here.
En garde! ;)
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1. The fact that there is no law against something does not make it right. It does make it unpunishable, but it's silly to say "Well, there's no law against this so end of discussion." Maybe there should be a law against this; that's open to discussion.
True, but what business does a foreigner have coming in to Japan and telling them how to kill their dolphins? Perhaps the reason there is no law governing these kinds of things in Japan is because THEY DON'T CARE. If it was the Japanese press giving these fellows hell, I wouldn't particularly care.
Example: It's like if one of the many Japanese tourists who visit America every year took a picture of an uncensored porn film, brought it back to Japan, and sent it to all of the major Japanese news sources, complaining how shameful our methods of portraying pornography are. Not that they would, but you get my point.
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2. It's quite offensive to say that since there are humans suffering we should ignore the suffering of animals. If you want to take that argument farther, you could say that there are always humans worse off than other humans, so we shouldn't care until the most poor off person is helped. There is no finite amount of "help" that can be divied out. If these people stopped caring about dolphins, starving children in Africa wouldn't suddenly feel better. That's like saying all veternarians should quit and become doctors since there are sick people.
If these people stopped dedicating their lives to harassing dolphin fisherman and instead spent that time in the Peace Corps feeding starving children, those starving children just might feel better.
Point being is that if these people who go apeshit (no pun intended) over animals wearing makeup and whether or not the spotted owl has a home (Hate to break it to you, but species become extinct everyday that we had no hand in. It's how nature works... if an animal can't hack it in the environment they live in, it dies away and makes way for animals who can. For all this talk about "man trifling with nature", you'd think eco-nuts would notice the blatantly obvious hypocrisy when you interfere with the natural cycle of extinction) spent at least half as much time feeding the homeless, volunteering at a senior citizen's home, or adopting a needy child, they could help save another important species: humanity.
And finally... I would like to know why eco-nuts don't care about how the tuna we eat is killed. Why aren't they up in arms when pesticides are used to kill millions of perfectly harmless insects everyday? Why is it always baby seals, dolphins, and puppy dogs? Is it because they're not interested in protecting animals, but only the ones they like?
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In America KFC is guilty of deplorable living conditions of the chickens it raises.
While I'm generally in agreement with you here, it raises the question: what rights do animals born + raised purely for slaughter have?
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| Fatality
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| "Re(3):Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red" , posted Thu 30 Oct 00:16:
I dont think the photos are fake, but my first thought was that the blood seems very red. Maybe they just tempered with the photo to have a bigger impact. If the fisherman have been doing this for 400 years, then i dont have a prob. if not..i still dont have a prob. when i look at the photo, the dolphins look like salmon to me...and we all eat salmon =p.
edit: yes i do find the images disturbing.
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| Fygee 871th Post
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| "Re(5):Potential pareto improvements" , posted Thu 30 Oct 03:51
I find it really disturbing and dispicable, being that they are both highly intelligent creatures, are generally not a threat to man, and are just so darn cute. However, its just an odd part of their cuisine "at least to us anyways" and there's nothing we can really do about it. To say "save the dolphins" but "slaughter Bessie" seems rather hyprocritical. I'm sure India looks at us like we're all freakish bastards whenever we chow down a hamburger.
Everyone hates the concept of seeing creatures we like getting slaughtered for food, just like how most of the world cries foul whenever someone eats dog in Korea or China. My personal hatred as far as that goes is killing and eating rabbits. Sure, they're a prey species, but my god, they're just so darn cute, fluffy, and friendly. :(
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| OYashiroForever 585th Post
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| "Re(7):Potential pareto improvements" , posted Thu 30 Oct 12:53
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i'd kill all those fishermen, because what if i lived off of human meat for 400 years, then it would be all good. but take into consideration that i do it fast.
Weak attempt at an analogy or humor.
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if we can live without killing animals, why do we do it.
It's called the food chain. It's how nature keeps everything in balance. Without predators/carnivores, the herbivores would over-populate, eat all of the available flora, and die of starvation anyways.
In addition, there are several crucial things the human body needs that can only be found in animal meat. Yes, you can take vitamin supplements, but there are certain advantages to ingesting it from the original source.
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| OYashiroForever 588th Post
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| "Re(9):Potential pareto improvements" , posted Thu 30 Oct 13:23:
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Curious, then, how vegetarians have a 5 year longer average lifespan. hmmm!
That's like saying the reason women live 6 or 7 years longer than men on average is because they menstruate.
If forced to guess, I'd say it's probably because vegetarians are far more likely to be folks who take care of themselves otherwise: carefully watch their diet, exercise, and avoid all of the other pitfalls that prevent a longer life. How many vegetarians do you know who smoke and binge drink?
My grandfather had a saying about stuff like that: you won't live any longer, it'll just seem that way.
In any case, I don't look down on vegetarians... it's a lifestyle choice I myself would never attempt, but it's a decision I still respect. My sister was a veggie for nearly 10 years (before she did some research and came to the conclusion that there was no benefit to not eating meat). In my mind, it's almost like civil disobedience. What I don't like are people who preach it as the only option and try to tell carnivores that they're wrong to eat animals. That's just foolishness.
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| Mosquiton 971th Post
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| ""Meat And You: Partners In Freedom"" , posted Thu 30 Oct 13:49:
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It's how nature keeps everything in balance. Without predators/carnivores, the herbivores would over-populate, eat all of the available flora, and die of starvation anyways.
This reminds me of something from the Simpsons...
"Meat And You: Partners In Freedom" starring Troy McClure.
Jimmy: Uh, Mr. McClure? I have a crazy friend who says it's wrong to eat meat. Is he crazy?
Troy: No, just ignorant. You see, your crazy friend never heard of "The Food Chain."
*Picture of cow, poodle, camel, squirrel, bat, etc., all with arrows pointing to the silhouette of a man.*
Anyway, domestic animals have nothing to do with a 'natural balance'. The only reason all these billions of tasty critters exist is because we put them there for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for food. Oh yeah, and to exploit their reproductive systems for eggs and milk.
Nice of you to go along with mother nature in spirit, but as evidenced by domestic animals, we humans are governed by our own free will... not nature.
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| TiamatRoar 542th Post
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| "Re(1):Dolphin massacre turns sea blood red" , posted Thu 30 Oct 19:18:
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The pictures on the link below are graphic in nature (dead dolphins).
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I was rather despising of the people that killed those dolphins, until I found out that they did it for food. At first, until that was mentioned, I thought they were either killing the dolphins for the hell of it or killing them because they didn't want them eating up the fish.
As it is, killing the dolphins for food is really technically no different than killing cows, chickens, or fish for food. If you say "Killing dolphins for food is wrong because they're cute/intelligent!", then that itself sounds rather biased towards cuteness/intelligence (and pigs are rather intelligent yet they get killed for food). Basically, being against the killing of dolphins for food while you are eating hamburgers or fish is highly hypocritical.
However, of course, if you're against eating hamburgers and fish, then it's obviously not hypocritical to be against eating dolphins, too. It's only hypocritical if you're for eating hamburgers and fish and chicken and whatever.
On a side note, not sure if I should bring this up for fear of rekindling that debate, but I was under the impression that this board was quite the political one, too. I see news posts and such posted on this board all the time, some VERY random, so I don't see what's so different about this thread...
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