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| OYashiroForever 583th Post
 
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|  "Re(5):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens today"
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I have seen very little advertising for this which I am suprised about.
It's actually a very limited release (only showing in ~400 theatres, as opposed to most big blockbusters open in around 3,500 theatres), so the lack of ads is to be expected.
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I will say one thing though, I don't care what people say, Aliens was god awful, the first one is still a classic. I'm sorry but the acting in the second one was bad and the suspense was nowhere near what the first one was, and I will dare say Alien 3, which most people hate, was a better film than Aliens.
A tough stance to defend, but I suppose I can see your point. Alien was more of a pure sci-fi/horror film, where Aliens is more of an action movie with big monsters as the enemy. It's kinda like Terminator 1 vs. 2: to me, they're both entertaining movies, but Terminator 1 is a serious sci-fi movie with an interesting premise where as T2 is just a big stage for explosions and car accidents to take place.
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| CrazyMike 730th Post
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| "Re(8):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens today" , posted Thu 30 Oct 01:20
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A tough stance to defend, but I suppose I can see your point. Alien was more of a pure sci-fi/horror film, where Aliens is more of an action movie with big monsters as the enemy. It's kinda like Terminator 1 vs. 2: to me, they're both entertaining movies, but Terminator 1 is a serious sci-fi movie with an interesting premise where as T2 is just a big stage for explosions and car accidents to take place.
I agree, the main problem with Aliens is it is a very formula-based film. The plot is not very deep, character development is very minimal; I mean there is nothing to the space marines other than them being stereotypical "We are dumb grunts who follow orders".
I think Alien 3 was definitely underrated, the prison colony made for a much more interesting, gloomish setting and I applaud the writers of the film for actually having the courage to shave Sigourney Weaver's hair and even kill her off at the end and avoid a cliche happy ending, even if the falling scene was a bit cheesy.
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| iggy 1947th Post
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| "Re(9):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens today" , posted Thu 30 Oct 11:03
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I think Alien 3 was definitely underrated, the prison colony made for a much more interesting, gloomish setting and I applaud the writers of the film for actually having the courage to shave Sigourney Weaver's hair and even kill her off at the end and avoid a cliche happy ending, even if the falling scene was a bit cheesy.
Agree for Alien 3.
I must say, however, that the first Alien didn't aged well imo. It got really... well, old. I don't know what the director's cut will bring, but I can bet it will mostly bring more boring scenes that won't even remotely help me to not fell asleep.
But then, I really liked Resurrection, so...
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| Sensenic 874th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens t" , posted Fri 31 Oct 07:21
I was lucky enough to see them all one right after the another cuz a friend lended'em to me on DVD, so I have them quite fresh. Here are my 3 (was it 3?) cents:
- Alien was just great. A really good idea for its time that invented the "one-by-one massacre"  terror subgenre. And I personally enjoyed it a lot.
BTW an OT comment: if you wanna "play" this movie (and 2001) go get Square's Live a Live and select the sci-fi chapter. Voilą.
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I agree, the main problem with Aliens is it is a very formula-based film. The plot is not very deep, character development is very minimal; I mean there is nothing to the space marines other than them being stereotypical "We are dumb grunts who follow orders".
- Aliens: I think you're right about all those points, but the fact is that to me it worked, as an action movie. Specially the automatic machine guns' scene, that's a reeeaally thrilling part (although still previsible, I know, but it was very intense to me). And it has something that I think more sequels should have: they didn't choose the easy option and rely on the first one's formula, instead of this, they tried to do something different, more risky.
There are only 2 things I don't like at all from this movie: The aliens' design, since I always had pictured them as the third and first movies' "smooth headed" ones. Instead of that I see that their "head plaque" ends right at the end of their forehead and then they have this euh.. comb or crest or whatever... that disappointed me a lot.
The 2nd one was worse, and it was the appearence of the queen. They just transformed the more terrible (IMO) original concept of the aliens being this kind of self-sufficient super-predators into only a bunch of "superdeveloped ants" ¬_¬U
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I think Alien 3 was definitely underrated, the prison colony made for a much more interesting, gloomish setting and I applaud the writers of the film for actually having the courage to shave Sigourney Weaver's hair and even kill her off at the end and avoid a cliche happy ending, even if the falling scene was a bit cheesy.
- Alien 3: Yup, but it was repeating the first one's formula. Anyway it had its moments, and as you say, really good potential (not fully exploited though) and original ideas. But...
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Well, I have to say I like Aliens a hell of a lot more than Alien 3. The third movie might not be a terrible film on its own merits, but IMO it really screwed the series and makes for a really shitty trilogy. The fourth movie shouldn't have bothered trying to continue the storyline from there... if they make another Alien movie with Ripley in it I'm going to vomit.
I liked Aliens a lot more the Alien 3, that was just some sick warpped version of something that should've stopped at number 2.LOL!
to me, it really screwed the series (Mosquiton dixit) too. Mainly for three reasons:
1- This is only a personal one, but it really annoys me. The writers screwed Ripley's life soo much by killing all those she got to love at the end of number 2: his potential boyfriend, best friend and adopted daughter, all of them were sweeped right at the beginning. I almost feel sorry  .
2- Weren't the face-huggers supposed to die after they planted the burster? Why does that one survive Ripley's implantation or whatever and is able to do the dog's one? And why does Ripley live so much time with the brittle little burster within her? Yeah, yeah, I know these all can be explained by saying that the Queen requires a longer "gestation process", that the hugger that plants the Queen is able to live to plant another one that'd be the "royal guard", yes, but.... it all smells of "taking it out of the hat in the last moment" and such. Doesn't convince me.
3- This's THE ONE, the main reason, why I think it screws all the story of the saga just for the sake of its own story. The same happens in Monkey Island 4, they take from the previous story only the elements they're interested in and they completely forget about the rest, not caring about making an incoherent final result. And which is this saga-screwing fact? Easy; if you watch Aliens while the f*ckin' Queen is in the ship, she has no friggin' time to plant that gdmnd egg anywhere!!! She's attacking Ripley and the others all the time. So where does that egg come from??!! If you can answer this to me, maybe I'll watch this movie from another POV, but I guess I'll still like the other 2 more, though.
As for the fourth... neither liked it nor disliked it, left me quite indifferent. Felt rare, weird, out of place... don't really know. Oh, and
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
that half-Alien half-human "something" was 
End of Spoiler
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| iggy 1958th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens t" , posted Fri 31 Oct 10:14:
Agree for the half human thingie in Resurrection. But if I needed one thing to save the movie, only one scene, it would be the scene of the kitchen, where they have to swim through it and you see 2 aliens swimming after them in an absolutely fantastic way. This scene was by far my favourite of the whole series.
Finally, this thread prooves the idea of taking a diferent director for each movie, and each time taking the series in a brand new direction, is really great. The series doesn't really stand if you put all the movies together, but on the other hand, everyone has his own favourite movie. Personally, I would put the last 2 ones far above the 2 others, and I can say for sure I will go and see the next one without even asking anything ; even if I happen to dislike it, I know it will be once again different from the others and a series that change so much episode after episode is so much better than a series that want to stay always the same in order to keep the few fans it has.
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| Ishmael 1004th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):OT: Alien Director's cut Opens t" , posted Fri 31 Oct 10:52
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The 2nd one was worse, and it was the appearence of the queen. They just transformed the more terrible (IMO) original concept of the aliens being this kind of self-sufficient super-predators into only a bunch of "superdeveloped ants" ¬_¬U
I agree, it was sort of a shame that the aliens were turned into nothing more than space ants. Still, I do like Aliens for doing it's own thing, having a goofy looking but impressively realized Queen puppet, and one of the more amusingly quotable lines from a movie in the last twenty years ["Game over man!"]
Personally Alien4 didn't work for me. It's the sort of movie where a character can get killed in the middle of a room but the movie makers will forget about him so his corpse magically disappears from the floor. That movie, however, did have the tripped out love scene between an alien and Ripley. How did the series get to that point? Was the violence in the previous movies just unrealized sexual tension between Ripley and the critters? Are the movies actually a four part romantic comedy where the two protagonists who are obviously meant for one another at each other's throats until the final act where they realize they are actually crazy for each other. I don't know, but that was a hell of a note to end the franchise on, or at least end it until AvP.
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Finally, this thread prooves the idea of taking a diferent director for each movie, and each time taking the series in a brand new direction, is really great. The series doesn't really stand if you put all the movies together, but on the other hand, everyone has his own favourite movie. Personally, I would put the last 2 ones far above the 2 others, and I can say for sure I will go and see the next one without even asking anything ; even if I happen to dislike it, I know it will be once again different from the others and a series that change so much episode after episode is so much better than a series that want to stay always the same in order to keep the few fans it has.
A very good point. It's a shame more movie franchises aren't treated that way since it may not may not make for a consistent series it does make for interesting viewing.
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