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| threesixtee 632th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Azumanga Hate at ANN..."
, posted Sat 25 Oct 13:42:
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Bamboo: To me, to me, the popularity of Azumanga Daioh is the mass movement of thousands of lonely men signaling vainly to each other to give validity to them watching a show about pink-donning prepubescent girls. people say that it brings them nostalgia from their past days of high school life, or the happiness of hanging out with their friends after school, and I can understand that. But beyond that point of ol'-time-feelin', I can't see the selling point at all with the "humour" that prevails the series. Make no mistake— this isn't because I don't understand the jokes. I do. I just don't find them funny. Or rather, I found them funny the first time through, but beyond that, got bored the 4th time around. Perhaps I'll be missing out when this series is eagerly gobbled up at Best Buy by thousands of fans, but if I've lived this long without being consumed by the 1337n3ss of 0s4k4, I think I can live just a bit further without falling into the pit of AzuDai fandom. Am I missing out? Maybe. But we all have different tastes, and mine surely don't rest in little girls with mobile hair and b00bi3-size jokes.
urge to kill... rising...
they probably hate it because its cool to be anti-popular... or the jokes are way above their heads. wtf are they talking about? I've never heard of osaka in terms of leetspeak, and boobie jokes aren't that abundant...
... AND THE KILLER IS ME!
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| DarkZero 411th Post
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| "Re(4):Azumanga Hate at ANN..." , posted Sat 25 Oct 14:12
I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Even a brief look at ANN's articles and anime reviews reveal a laughable amount of immaturity, elitism, and insecurity. It's the sort of writing that makes GamePro look like The Economist. They're filled with immature jokes, surprisingly long screeds about inane details that no one has bothered to edit, and a generally elitist, insulting tone. In fact, I'd even say that this article is sort of a microcosm of the entire site. They mock people that download fansubs, people that watch obscure anime, people that watch popular anime, people that don't go into a pretentious fit when they see fanservice, and "testosterone-filled high school anime fans". Who else is left in the fandom to mock, with the obvious exception of themselves?
I don't know why any of you even visit there any more. Their news is usually very late, it's often incorrect or misleading, and it comes with heaps of elitism and pretension. If you need anime news, Anime on DVD and either Magic Box or Impress Gamewatch (for the anime games that they cover) could probably do the trick.
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| iggy 1934th Post
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| "Re(1):Azumanga Hate at ANN..." , posted Sat 25 Oct 14:30:
Well, thank you for the link, it made my laugh of the evening. No, not about Azumanga, about their review of Witch Hunter Robin.... Haha, it's so wrong at so many levels I just don't know where to... Oh, well, I think I just have to accept the fact that goth people and people that think goth is not one of the most ridiculous thing on earth still exists. I don't care, if I can still laugh at them.
And about Azumanga... I don't know the non japanese fanboy world, but I can guess how it became. If they went disgusted of the series by noisy dorks screaming how the show was great before seeing it, I understand why they hate it now. It's a very particular series, that shouldn't make a lot of noise... Like they say on the obi of Yotsubato "it's something about everyday life, and somehow, without reasons, some people find it funny". It perfectly sums up Azumanga, everything that would be said about the series after that would be too much.
Edit : oh, and on a side note, I'm definitely NOT an old man who loves young little girls. I'm not the old one here, goddamit!
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| DarkZero 413th Post
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| "Re(2):Azumanga Hate at ANN..." , posted Sun 26 Oct 08:23
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YEAH! F**K THEM FOR HAVING THEIR OWN OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING!!!!
What did they say that was so bad now? (they spoke the truth on Tenchi and .Hack so I don't really see a need for them to start hating on something just for the hell of it at the end of the article)
Just because something is an opinion does not mean that it is reasonable, properly expressed, correct, or free from criticism. I would think that that would be obvious considering the fact that most of the Azumanga Daioh portion of the article is spent mocking someone else's opinion of the show instead of the show itself, but apparently not.
"It's an opinion" goes down with "I've got free speech" and "This is a free country" as one of the great universal copouts for stupid opinions. No one is suggesting that they be chained and beaten. They are merely saying that their opinion is poorly reasoned, as well as a foolish mix of ANN's typical elitist posturing and out-and-out lies (the number of breast jokes).
And also, the difference between Azumanga Daioh, Tenchi, and .Hack is that Azumanga is popular and Tenchi and .Hack aren't. Tenchi lost its popularity years ago and I have yet to see any gaming fan, anime fan, or game/anime reviewer say anything about .Hack besides, "This really sucks, but for some reason I'm watching it anyway. Please don't get sucked into the void with me." There was only one show there to make any elitist posturing about and every one of them took the opportunity. Maybe I'd think differently if they had spent more time actually discussing the show instead of mocking its fandom and spending time addressing some fool that responded to their "controversial" comments in an earlier article.
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| LordByronius
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|  "Wherein I respond on behalf of ANN"
, posted Sun 26 Oct 23:21
Hello! The name's Brian, and I'm a big ol' SNK fan, erego I am also a big fan of MMCafe. So for kicks I decided to stop by the forums here.
And wouldn't you know it, that ANN AzuDai debacle has reached all the way over here as well. Since I took part in it, I may as well try and reply.
Please bear in mind that I'm not baiting for a flame war or anything like that, my only business here is to probe a few things that bother me.
The main point: yes, we took cheap shots at AzuDai. The unfortunate problem of that column was that there was not a diverging opinion; it turned out we all didn't like AzuDai. So, understandably, it looked like we were all ganging up on it when that was not at all our intention.
This issue will definitely be addressed in further issues of Kurosufiyah. I won't go into the "pedophile" aspect because that's neither here nor there.
That said, there were a lot of untrue things said here about ANN that I feel obligated to quell.
1) "They mock people that download fansubs, people that watch obscure anime, people that watch popular anime, people that don't go into a pretentious fit when they see fanservice, and 'testosterone-filled high school anime fans'. Who else is left in the fandom to mock, with the obvious exception of themselves?"
About fansubs; ANN is a commercial site with the support of the industry. It would be quite unwise of them to publicly support the viewing and downloading of anime in any form.
As for the rest, since you have provided no real evidence, I can't quite say for sure which ones you're making up ("people that watch popular anime"?) or which ones you're taking far too seriously (everything else).
Also, we're all just goofy fans that like to crack jokes. Having people be offended over any little riff we might take at any section of fandom is certainly unintentional, and is merely a way to keep things interesting for ourselves and a majority of our readers.
2)"Their news is usually very late, it's often incorrect or misleading, and it comes with heaps of elitism and pretension."
Not true in the least. We are the first to break many stories, like our coverage on Studio Ironcat, for example, and are also fact-checked heavily before hitting the web. The "elitism and pretension" part I do not understand; perhaps you can find examples of this?
You can carry any opinion of me, Zac, or any of the other ANN columnists that you like. But don't make a fool of yourself by spreading lies about our news crew. They are dedicated, hard-working people that do a fantastic job.
I would go on, but it's getting rather late here.
Sincerely,
--Brian H, aka "LordByronius"
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| ONSLAUGHT 2423th Post
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| "score" , posted Sun 26 Oct 23:25
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Hello! The name's Brian, and I'm a big ol' SNK fan, erego I am also a big fan of MMCafe. So for kicks I decided to stop by the forums here.
And wouldn't you know it, that ANN AzuDai debacle has reached all the way over here as well. Since I took part in it, I may as well try and reply.
Please bear in mind that I'm not baiting for a flame war or anything like that, my only business here is to probe a few things that bother me.
The main point: yes, we took cheap shots at AzuDai. The unfortunate problem of that column was that there was not a diverging opinion; it turned out we all didn't like AzuDai. So, understandably, it looked like we were all ganging up on it when that was not at all our intention.
This issue will definitely be addressed in further issues of Kurosufiyah. I won't go into the "pedophile" aspect because that's neither here nor there.
That said, there were a lot of untrue things said here about ANN that I feel obligated to quell.
1) "They mock people that download fansubs, people that watch obscure anime, people that watch popular anime, people that don't go into a pretentious fit when they see fanservice, and 'testosterone-filled high school anime fans'. Who else is left in the fandom to mock, with the obvious exception of themselves?"
About fansubs; ANN is a commercial site with the support of the industry. It would be quite unwise of them to publicly support the viewing and downloading of anime in any form.
As for the rest, since you have provided no real evidence, I can't quite say for sure which ones you're making up ("people that watch popular anime"?) or which ones you're taking far too seriously (everything else).
Also, we're all just goofy fans that like to crack jokes. Having people be offended over any little riff we might take at any section of fandom is certainly unintentional, and is merely a way to keep things interesting for ourselves and a majority of our readers.
2)"Their news is usually very late, it's often incorrect or misleading, and it comes with heaps of elitism and pretension."
Not true in the least. We are the first to break many stories, like our coverage on Studio Ironcat, for example, and are also fact-checked heavily before hitting the web. The "elitism and pretension" part I do not understand; perhaps you can find examples of this?
You can carry any opinion of me, Zac, or any of the other ANN columnists that you like. But don't make a fool of yourself by spreading lies about our news crew. They are dedicated, hard-working people that do a fantastic job.
I would go on, but it's getting rather late here.
Sincerely,
--Brian H, aka "LordByronius"
ANN-1, MMcafe-0
Ha!
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| DarkZero 416th Post
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| "Re(1):Wherein I respond on behalf of ANN" , posted Mon 27 Oct 02:21
First off, I'd like to thank you for entering the pit of snakes and actually responding to these comments. Obviously it's not a comfortable atmosphere to enter into when a grand total of one person here hasn't vehemently disagreed with you, so I really respect you for doing so.
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The main point: yes, we took cheap shots at AzuDai. The unfortunate problem of that column was that there was not a diverging opinion; it turned out we all didn't like AzuDai. So, understandably, it looked like we were all ganging up on it when that was not at all our intention.
I may be alone on this point, but my real problem with the article wasn't that it was ganging up on AzuDai, a show which I have never even seen a single minute of. It was that instead of going after the show, everyone in that discussion just went after the fans. Like describing them as "thousands of lonely men signaling vainly to each other to give validity to them watching a show about pink-donning prepubescent girls" or following up "uber-1337 fansub nerds who crossplay as the characters and quote their lame japanese catch-phrases and whatnot" with "'true AzuDai fan'". But we'll get to that in a second.
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1) "They mock people that download fansubs, people that watch obscure anime, people that watch popular anime, people that don't go into a pretentious fit when they see fanservice, and 'testosterone-filled high school anime fans'. Who else is left in the fandom to mock, with the obvious exception of themselves?"
About fansubs; ANN is a commercial site with the support of the industry. It would be quite unwise of them to publicly support the viewing and downloading of anime in any form.
As for the rest, since you have provided no real evidence, I can't quite say for sure which ones you're making up ("people that watch popular anime"?) or which ones you're taking far too seriously (everything else).
Also, we're all just goofy fans that like to crack jokes. Having people be offended over any little riff we might take at any section of fandom is certainly unintentional, and is merely a way to keep things interesting for ourselves and a majority of our readers.
Please take another look at that article, especially your own comments. Can you really not see where I'm getting the "It's popular, so it must suck" vibe from you guys? In addition to the fact that most of the people in the discussion mentioned the word "popularity" and followed it up with a general insult toward everyone that enjoyed the show, you referred to "millions of people" that have a "mindless attraction to mindless pablum" and mentioned the most popular TV show and movie in America at that time as a reference. Maybe you didn't mean to sound like an indie goth rock fan that only owns a record player and has ripped the AM/FM/CD player out of his car as a "statement of protest against corrupt corporate America", but you did. In fact, reading what you're writing now, I get the feeling that you really didn't mean to sound like that... but you still did. And the person speaking directly after you following up the word "popularity" with "mass movement of thousands of lonely men" certainly didn't help, either.
And it's not so much about taking the comments in jest or taking them too seriously. It's about taking them as a whole. Almost every comment in the AzuDai section took a shot at its fans and usually at a different subgroup of those fans. Put together, the whole thing looked more like an elitist screed against as many people as you could possibly insult instead of any sort of intelligent, or at least reasonable, analysis of the topic. I wasn't offended by it, but just felt that it was immature and that the sort of people participating in that discussion weren't worth paying attention to.
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2)"Their news is usually very late, it's often incorrect or misleading, and it comes with heaps of elitism and pretension."
Not true in the least. We are the first to break many stories, like our coverage on Studio Ironcat, for example, and are also fact-checked heavily before hitting the web. The "elitism and pretension" part I do not understand; perhaps you can find examples of this?
You can carry any opinion of me, Zac, or any of the other ANN columnists that you like. But don't make a fool of yourself by spreading lies about our news crew. They are dedicated, hard-working people that do a fantastic job.
I have to concede this point because I didn't realize that there was such a clear division between the columnists and the news gatherers. I had mistakenly thought that the people posting ANN's news were the same sort of people that were posting ANN's urgent response to the Jayson Blair scandal and the description of how they would be adjusting their reporting as a countermeasure against such travesties. Not to mention descriptions of their new favorite show as being for "a discerning anime fan with high-minded taste, above the usual pabulum that endlessly crowds the shelves" and "not for the action-obsessed ADD crowd".
I also can't think of a specific article that I can link to where I found it misleading or innaccurate. I merely remember it happening more than once. I was going to mention that your game news is often late, but a quick search through the archives revealed that you had cut almost all of it out of the news posts in the last two or three months. I thought I had visited ANN more often than that, but I guess not. So your news staff has my apologies and Onslaught is welcome to slide ANN up to 2 for this.
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| Jazzie D 2196th Post
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| "Re(2):Azumanga Hate at ANN..." , posted Mon 27 Oct 15:34
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Oh, one last thing I forgot to mention.
ANN didn't intentionally go out of its way to slam AzuDai and cause a big uproar that would generate lots of hits. Totally false.
As a participant of the discussion I can honestly tell you that I and the other members, with the exception of the moderator, had no prior knowledge of which topics were to be discussed.
Also, the whole of ANN does not unanimously agree that AzuDai is crap. I think one of the editors-in-chief is a big fan, actually.
Wow! You have the guts to come in here. Seriously, irasshimase. Now these days, I'm Jazzie-kun. I pop up in here every now and then.
Since you have apologized and given your point of view, you're forgiven. Plus, it would be messed up to Jon if I didn't, especially since I talk to him often. So, there.
However! However, I will have hard time forgiving Zac for slamming down Binzume Yousei. Then again, as I have stated earlier, I've seen worse.
*coughs*DebidoSumisu.*coughs*
Gee, I love doing that. Ha ha ha! Okay. I'm done now.
Tomo - Kimura-sensei why did you become a teacher?
Kimura-sensei - CUZ I LIKE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS AND STUFF!
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