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| Burning Kyo 1865th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):KOF 2003"
, posted Sat 25 Oct 04:57
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What's this?
If it's what I think it is (carefull, I'm about to yell),
WHY THE F'ING HELL CAN'T THESE JAPANESE COMPANIES TRANSLATE THEIR DAMN AWESOME MOOKS INTO ENGLISH AND SELL THEM IN THE USA. SCREW BRADY GAMES, SCREW THE AMERICAN STRAT GUIDES! I WANT ARCADIA MOOKS AND PICTURE BOOKS IN ENGLISH DAMNIT, THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, "IF I WERE A MILLIONAIRE, I WOULD DO THIS RANTS."
all righty whatever. Okay, I just remember why I was ticked off. bleh
Yeah, it's the 2002 mook.
But I don't think that'sso hard to understand it ; you just need to know some jp & fighting basics stuffs like jump, crouch, dash, ... etc.
The major part of the mook is a deep movelists (i.e. with the frame, bar gain, stun effect)of each character. Then there's the tactics, but you can ask to someone to traduce it for you (even if the most important stuffs (important & overprioritize moves) is illustrated 'n easy to understand (e.g. basic combos).
鮮やかな世界は音も無く静かに闇に消えて行く
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| iggy 1932th Post
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|  "Re(2):KOF 2003"
, posted Sat 25 Oct 06:36:
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WHY THE F'ING HELL CAN'T THESE JAPANESE COMPANIES TRANSLATE THEIR DAMN AWESOME MOOKS INTO ENGLISH AND SELL THEM IN THE USA. SCREW BRADY GAMES, SCREW THE AMERICAN STRAT GUIDES! I WANT ARCADIA MOOKS AND PICTURE BOOKS IN ENGLISH DAMNIT, THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, "IF I WERE A MILLIONAIRE, I WOULD DO THIS RANTS."
Because they don't care of whatever is outside their country, and hey, why do american play japanese games since they have american games? (the same with japanese comics or animation. Most japanese don't understand why non japanese people like their stuff, and for a reason I don't get, they don't like it a lot.)
Oh, and another reason : the 2D scene is near to death outside asia, right?
Edit : hey! no love for blond afro machos with sunglasses and huge hair coming out of their nose?
[this message was edited by iggy on Sat 25 Oct 06:38] |
| snkneoshingo2k3
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| "Re(1):KOF 2003" , posted Sat 25 Oct 11:19
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Oh my god! another game of Bobobôbo bôbobo!
What? Uh yeah, KOF 2003...
in the Arcadia of the end of the month.
Hello,it's good,no great to be back,and just as I thought I would've been left empty-handed concerning info on The King Of Fighters 2003.Once again,all the merit goes to the man,Iggy,who has given me the good news that,next weekend,SNK Playmore will finally unveil,fingers crossed,THE definite KOF.
BTW,I've just seen The Matrix Reloaded on our very own IMAX theatre;great stuff for your ears and eyes,not for the general taste,but The Matrix Revolutions will change all that.Only 1 and 1/2 weeks to go.
Peace Forever!SNK Playmore Forever!
You can't be finished!
Stand up you simp!
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SNK Playmore2003 2D Forever!
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| CrazyMike 721th Post
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| "Re(3):KOF 2003" , posted Sat 25 Oct 13:30
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Because they don't care of whatever is outside their country, and hey, why do american play japanese games since they have american games? (the same with japanese comics or animation. Most japanese don't understand why non japanese people like their stuff, and for a reason I don't get, they don't like it a lot.)
Oh, and another reason : the 2D scene is near to death outside asia, right?
Well Japanese companies pretty much dominate the console market which is ironic because consoles originated in America. If you really want to play American games you pretty much have to get a PC with a nice graphics card. One thing about American games, we have some of the best simulation, strategy, and first person shooters.
As for liking stuff from foreign countries, I am not into manga really, but I do enjoy anime, but that is only because it is more professionally done and has better stories than American cartoons which in my mind have not been very good since the 80's and even then they were still made for kids.
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2403th Post
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| "Re(3):KOF 2003" , posted Sat 25 Oct 13:44
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Because they don't care of whatever is outside their country, and hey, why do american play japanese games since they have american games? (the same with japanese comics or animation. Most japanese don't understand why non japanese people like their stuff, and for a reason I don't get, they don't like it a lot.)
Oh, and another reason : the 2D scene is near to death outside asia, right?
Edit : hey! no love for blond afro machos with sunglasses and huge hair coming out of their nose?
Actually that's becoming less the norm for the anime and manga field, as the influx of US production cash is really opening the eyes of directors, producers, and creators. In fact a few companies are looking for the cash, allowing them to up the budget for a show or to start a show up and going again...
So in the end, Cash talks and opens up all doors...:)
Separated at Birth?
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| Mav
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| "Re(7):KOF 2003" , posted Sun 26 Oct 16:13:
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its a global world. the internet makes it easier to access wat ever u like. btw...god damn i want some KOF mooks >< does it say anythign else about KOF2003 there? all i could find is this
ザ・キング・オブ・ファイターズ 2003
It says "The King of Fighters 2003" which, roughly translated, confirms the rumors of Orochi Hinako and Violent Vanessa!
EDIT: I share the Bobobo afro love.
I'm new. Kick me.
[this message was edited by Mav on Sun 26 Oct 16:14] |
| Toxico 3236th Post
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|  "Oye, oye...."
, posted Sun 26 Oct 18:21
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I'm not so crazy about this Japan = anime stereotype, but hopefully it'll wear off.
Never, as long as Japan keeps putting good products on the market that kind of statement will always be a sad true. For what I have analized during my years people always relate a country on what they are good at either be an activity or part of the tradition if said country; Brazil -> soccer; England -> "5% O' clock tea".
For example, what do people think when they heard Chile? It's simple, nothing; we don't "shine" for anything, the few thinks we could be remembered are "low rated" by the normal audience (copper & "salitre" production, but we are actually bad on those fields too).
Well, that's my rant; once I got a stady job I'm importing the L-Gaim series, then Sailor Moon R and then any mook I could find.
PS: I know my english is "harsh".
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| iggy 1941th Post
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| "Re(5):Back to the subject" , posted Tue 28 Oct 03:41:
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could you give the link of the whole picture with the kof2003 teams, please ?
1) welcome back
2) nope
3) It's freezing cold
4) only the Garô team has been released
5) you can see Terry in his MOTW outfit, Joe and maybe GM at the MMC uploader (if someone bothers to upload Griffon)
6) it's sot cold I can't play DDR properly
7) Falcoon draw them
8) The gôdanshô is a brilliant piece of sh...art, I'm so happy, it's so great, kanbun is so fun, yippie
9) The fact Arcadia said they had news on KOF 2003 and only got this is bullshit, they usually get the composition of all the teams, I hope it doesn't mean bad things on the developpement of the game
10) Griffon will surely be funny, with much of his frames of MOTW (I don't think they will redraw him), it will be a little like the hideous Kim of 2002.
11) Welcome back
12) holy shit, it's fucking cold. Why do all the strangers call Venezia "Venise"?
[this message was edited by iggy on Tue 28 Oct 03:42] |
| Chupiler 873th Post
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| "Re(1):No andy this year! yippie!!" , posted Tue 28 Oct 04:07
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Hokutomaru catch a cold, and Andy stays in japan to take care of him! YES!
On a darker note, if Andy doesn't appear, will Mai even want to go to KOF alone? Hmmmm.... A Mai-less KOF? I can't... oh well.
And Joe and Griffon make a nice team of dumbasses. I love their dialogues.
And Griffon has now become a joke character...ugh...
damn, cross post...
But Griffon mask WAS a joke character in MOTW, right? I mean, he was the most stupid character of the game...? The ending, with the mask and the kid, was a parody... it was! it was!
...right?
No, he wasn't. At least he wasn't a stupid loudmouth that uses "you" for 2nd person in Japanese and wears his mask everywhere, and on top of that argue with the likes of KOF Joe.
They took away Andy for this...?
(ﾟ∀ﾟ)Da Da Da!
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| Alucard
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| "Re(6):Back to the subject" , posted Tue 28 Oct 05:03
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could you give the link of the whole picture with the kof2003 teams, please ?
1) welcome back
2) nope
3) It's freezing cold
4) only the Garô team has been released
5) you can see Terry in his MOTW outfit, Joe and maybe GM at the MMC uploader (if someone bothers to upload Griffon)
6) it's sot cold I can't play DDR properly
7) Falcoon draw them
8) The gôdanshô is a brilliant piece of sh...art, I'm so happy, it's so great, kanbun is so fun, yippie
9) The fact Arcadia said they had news on KOF 2003 and only got this is bullshit, they usually get the composition of all the teams, I hope it doesn't mean bad things on the developpement of the game
10) Griffon will surely be funny, with much of his frames of MOTW (I don't think they will redraw him), it will be a little like the hideous Kim of 2002.
11) Welcome back
12) holy shit, it's fucking cold. Why do all the strangers call Venezia "Venise"?
Merci pour ta réponse, Iggy, j'avais pas eu l'occasion de suivre ce thread ^_^
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| Time Mage 1665th Post
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| "Re(4):No andy this year! yippie!!" , posted Tue 28 Oct 05:04
The new Garou team sure looks promising, specially if, as some of you have already noted, Griffon gameplay doesn't change much (I mean, he's not designed to combo his grapples, he's like Zangief more or less). I also like that they adopted the new Terry look. And I really, really hope that he gets the Buster Wolf, instead of that horribly-looking High Angle Geyser.
And Falcoon doing the art is great. He's such a good artist, he deserved this. And the three illustrations available are very good, as usual from him.
Now, let's dream about redesigned sprites...
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| Abe no seimei
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| "Re(4):KOF 2003" , posted Tue 28 Oct 14:44
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Well, characters like Griffon could be old enough to warrant the transition from MoTW to KOF, but hardly people like Rock/either Kim or Hotaru.
Rock would be the same age in 2003 as Bao was when he first appeared.
I hardly remeber in wich year MOTW is supposed to take place, but my gess is that SNKP decided to make the KOF time line come across MOTW's. If you consider the fact that in SVc Kyo wears his old out fit and Hokutomaru looks like a 6 years old kid (in Mai's ending), it could mean that SVC takes place somewhere after 96 and before 99, may be in 98 since dreammatch are not canon. Then it would make sense. Hokutomaru is 12 years old in 2003 and can make a team with Andy and Mai, Marco can replace Takuma in the AOF team, and a lot of other MOTW characters could be included, which is in fact the purpose of KOF : mixing up SNK fighters taking place in the present. Still, this is just my gess and lot of elements may no fit in this theory.
悪霊退散！悪霊退散！
怨霊、ものの怪、困った時は
ドーマン！セーマン！ドーマン！セーマン！
直ぐに呼びましょ陰陽師 レッツゴー！
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| Oroch 330th Post
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| "Re(5):KOF 2003" , posted Tue 28 Oct 16:19
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Well, characters like Griffon could be old enough to warrant the transition from MoTW to KOF, but hardly people like Rock/either Kim or Hotaru.
Rock would be the same age in 2003 as Bao was when he first appeared.
I hardly remeber in wich year MOTW is supposed to take place, but my gess is that SNKP decided to make the KOF time line come across MOTW's. If you consider the fact that in SVc Kyo wears his old out fit and Hokutomaru looks like a 6 years old kid (in Mai's ending), it could mean that SVC takes place somewhere after 96 and before 99, may be in 98 since dreammatch are not canon. Then it would make sense. Hokutomaru is 12 years old in 2003 and can make a team with Andy and Mai, Marco can replace Takuma in the AOF team, and a lot of other MOTW characters could be included, which is in fact the purpose of KOF : mixing up SNK fighters taking place in the present. Still, this is just my gess and lot of elements may no fit in this theory.
garou takes place in 2006 i think?
anyway this is change in kof is good
although im tired of andy gettin the shaft
I HOPE TERRY DIES!!!!!111111oneoneoneshift
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| DarkZero 421th Post
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| "Re(2):agree to disagree" , posted Tue 28 Oct 16:35
Considering that Rock was still a little kid in 2001, I think KOF is still quite a bit behind Mark of the Wolves, and including Griffon Mask in KOF first kind of supports that idea. In MotW, Griffon Mask looks like he's AT LEAST 30 (as Exodus noted), and I was going to say more like 37-40, especially since he's considering retirement at that time. So if they were going to put a MotW character in the current KOF time period, then he'd be the best choice.
And what information, exactly, did this article give us? I thought that the whole "Hokutomaru has a cold" thing was just speculation/joking at first, but then someone acted as if it was in the article. I'm sort of confused.
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| Gen 2103th Post
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| "Re(6):Back to the subject" , posted Tue 28 Oct 20:41:
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The fact Arcadia said they had news on KOF 2003 and only got this is bullshit, they usually get the composition of all the teams, I hope it doesn't mean bad things on the developpement of the game
I didn't see this those picture in the November arcadia. What page is it on? My copy didn't have a poster either.
here's those pictures with different background and a translation:
http://www.gamingmatrix.com/kofonline/kof2003TeamFatalFury.html
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Edited from the original translations by BK)
It was at a coffee shop along a street. Terry Bogard was nowhere to be seen.
Two strong-looking guys were sitting outside the coffee chop. One was a kickboxer while the other was a professional wrestler. They were Joe Higashi and Griffon Mask respectively.
Joe: "...Don't just sit there. Try the tea!"
Griffon: "No."
Joe: "Then at least take that bird mask off."
Griffon: "This isn't a bird! It's the mask of a griffon!
Joe: "Hey, I don't care okay!! Just take it off!! Your stupid mask is making me look stupid too!"
Griffon: "Hmph. It's a hero's responsibility to be noticed by others."
Joe: (Terry, Andy, where are you guys? I need help here... *faint*)
Of course, Joe has always loved receiving attention. However, this kind of attention was more
like being part of a freak show than the typical attention he would expect from his fans.
Kid: "Wow!! Griffon Mask!! Can I have your autograph please?"
Griffon: "Haha! Sure."
The satisfied kid then noticed Joe after he had gotten Griffon's autograph.
Kid: "Hey... Um, can I have your autograph too? You are the GREAT NINJA MINAMI, right? Didn't
you lose to Griffon Mask in the last title match? I heard you've become his servant..."
Joe (interrupting the kid): "Hey kid, listen to me very carefully..."
Kid: "Ye... yeah?"
Joe: "I'm the great one that..."
Terry: "Hey, so you're the GREAT NINJA MINAMI! ...Heh, sorry I'm late."
Joe: "Ack! Terry! You're late! Don't do this to me ever again!"
The ever charismatic (and tough) Terry was standing at the entrance of the coffee shop.
Terry: "Hey kid, be sure to address him as "Mister" next time, or else he might turn you into a frog with his ninja skills!"
Kid (scared): "OK... I got it!"
Terry: "You've got their signatures, right? I need to talk with them about something important. Go play over there."
Kid: "Okay."
Joe, who had just become a 'powerful ninja' was getting very annoyed. He then ordered aligator steak (which really confused the waiter) while Terry simply ordered a cup of coffee.
Terry: "Take it easy, Mr. Minami..."
Joe: "You're good at handling kids. I'm kinda jealous."
Griffon: "You just don't know how to love 'em."
Joe: "Mind your own business... Hey, where's Andy? He's going to be in this year's KOF too, right?"
Terry shrugged.
Joe: "Hey hey, what's with that? ...So Mr. Bird Mask here will become Andy's substitute?"
Griffon: "It's not a bird. I'm Griffon Mask."
Terry sipped his coffee.
Terry: "Yep. Remember Andy's young apprentice?"
Joe: "Apprentice? Oh, that something something-maru kid."
Terry: "He got sick."
Joe: "......"
Terry: "Hokotomaru's illness wasn't life-threatening but to Andy, it was a far more complicated
matter. As a result, Andy didn't want to leave Japan."
Joe: "Dang. For being a Sensei (teacher), he's gotten too soft."
Terry: "Don't talk like that. You wouldn't believe how hard Andy pushes him. Japanese people call
that... er... was it "Koshi-Kondo" or something?"
Griffon: "Koshi-kondou. A word that describes the beautiful relationship between the master and his apprentice. Your brother must be a great person."
Terry and Griffon then shook each other's hands politely.
Joe: "Heh heh. Let's become good friends then. Wanna learn more nice Japanese words? 'Atchi ike kono bus~!!' (meaning 'Get lost bitch!') Try that heh."
Griffon: "Heh, 'atchi ike kono bus'? What does that mean? Anyway, I heard the organiser for this year's KOF is a Japanese. I'll remember those words you just said when he announces the champion."
Joe: "Hehehe... I'll also remember to teach you more beautiful phrases from the Japanese language later."
Terry finished up his coffee and began talking again.
Terry: "All right, then it's all settled. The three of us are going to be in the same team this year. So let's do our best!!"
Joe: "I'll be fine as long as that bird doesn't do anything funny."
Griffon (ignoring Joe): "I'll be fine too, as long as I can fight fair and square."
Terry: "OK! It'll all be good. I'll be going to visit my dad's grave."
Joe: "Hm? You're going to pay him a visit now?"
Terry: "Yes. This is very important for me. I always do that before I go to a tournament. Sorry to trouble you, but can you guys wait for me?"
Joe: "Are you kidding me?! Don't leave me alone with this bird here! I wanna go too."
Griffon: "I'm not a bird... I'm Griffon Mask."
Joe: "Shut up! 'Bird Man' is more suitable for you!! Bird man, bird man, bird man, bird man~"
Griffon: "That's GRIFFON MASK alright!!!!"
Terry simply looked up at the sky.
Terry: (Dad... How should we go about it this year?)
Joe: "Shut it, bird man! I oughta pluck and eat you raw!"
Griffon: "You should go clean up your ears. My name is Griffon Mask!!"
"
another page with the pitures
http://www.phuck-ign.com/showarticle.php?s=&threadid=5890
another site which the text story part was linked too
http://www.apqv66.dsl.pipex.com/
and
http://fuego.red32.net/~mature/emuforos/index.php?s=4da6943dfd5a6fa75f3fedee68210ed7&act=ST&f=15&t=555&st=30&#entry17984entry17984
"Everybody loves baklava! Crispier flakier crust!"
[this message was edited by Gen on Tue 28 Oct 21:58] |
| Hungrywolf 2465th Post
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| "Re(6):agree to disagree" , posted Wed 29 Oct 07:50
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So Terry is getting his MOTW design for KoF 2k3....bleh. I'm sorry, but I prefer his regular KoF design. I'd rather it not change. Oh well. And if the Garou team is Terry and Joe and Griffon then I am doubly disappointed. If Andy isn't on the Garou team, then Mai or Mary should be, and this also scares me that Mai or Mary or both may not be in it. However, I'm not too sure exactly what is going on in this thread so everything I have said may or may not be true. I was really liking Andy's new design though in 2k1 and 2k2. If they took someone from MOTW for the Garou Densetsu team I'd rather it be Kevin...or anyone but Griffon.
Fanboy-to-English Translation:
CHANGE = BAD!
SAME OLD SHIT = GOOD!
BORING = FUN!
And personally, I'm glad to see Griffon Mask in the game. He got the shaft in MotW because someone took an interesting character and screwed with his play balance to the point where he was no stronger than anyone else, but a Hell of a lot slower and less controllable. His "crazy whackjob for justice" personality should also create a nice contrast with Joe's "crazy whackjob for the sake of being a crazy whackjob" personality in KOF, provided that SNKP is smart and puts SvC dialogue boxes in KOF2k3.
Thanks for the insult. Now let me explain, I like Terry's MOTW design in MOTW, but I didn't want his MOTW design in KoF YET. It's not that I don't like change, as you can see I also said in my post that I liked Andy's redesign. I have nothing against adding Griffon to KoF, I just don't think he should be on the Garou Densetsu team, or maybe there should be a new GD team and an old GD team. Also notice my suggestion that maybe instead of Griffon it could be Kevin as the addition. So basically...
 SCREW YOU
"no again my apoligizes for anyone i offend!!!!!"
Hungry Like the Wolf
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| beto
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New Customer
| "Re(3):2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 11:33
CoinOpExpress posted this...
SNK Vs Capcom: Chaos - SNKP / JAMMA - Released!!
Metal Slug 5 - Noise Factory / SNKP / JAMMA - Mid-October
Samurai Showdown V - SNKP / JAMMA - Mid-October
King of Fighter 2003 (tbd) - SNKP / JAMMA - March '04
Last Blade 3 - SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
Fighters Fever: R - SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
DanceRhythmMix - ADK / SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
Pocchitto Nyan - Aiky / Taito / MVS - December
King of Fighter 2004 (tbd) - Sammy / ATOMISWAVE - June '04
And Trieu has dismissed:
"Some of that information is incorrect. First off, they're missing at least 2 confirmed titles (which I cannot officially announce), and as far as I know, Last Blade 3 wasn't one of them.
Secondly, SSV is already out and it's only on MVS, not JAMMA.
Lastly, the thing about releasing news about SNKP games way ahead of the actual release date is tough, as we all know because there's always some type of delay. Even just weeks before something is to be released, it could be pushed back for the same reasons.
So, the information above is definitely not 100% accurate."
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| Just a Person 601th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(4):2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 12:10
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CoinOpExpress posted this...
SNK Vs Capcom: Chaos - SNKP / JAMMA - Released!!
Metal Slug 5 - Noise Factory / SNKP / JAMMA - Mid-October
Samurai Showdown V - SNKP / JAMMA - Mid-October
King of Fighter 2003 (tbd) - SNKP / JAMMA - March '04
Last Blade 3 - SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
Fighters Fever: R - SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
DanceRhythmMix - ADK / SNKP / JAMMA - 2004
Pocchitto Nyan - Aiky / Taito / MVS - December
King of Fighter 2004 (tbd) - Sammy / ATOMISWAVE - June '04
And Trieu has dismissed:
"Some of that information is incorrect. First off, they're missing at least 2 confirmed titles (which I cannot officially announce), and as far as I know, Last Blade 3 wasn't one of them.
Secondly, SSV is already out and it's only on MVS, not JAMMA.
Lastly, the thing about releasing news about SNKP games way ahead of the actual release date is tough, as we all know because there's always some type of delay. Even just weeks before something is to be released, it could be pushed back for the same reasons.
So, the information above is definitely not 100% accurate."
It seems so. Releasing KoF´2004 just 3 months after KoF´2003 seems to be a little too rushed (unlike releasing KoF´2003 in 2004,which makes no sense).
By the way,the Fatal Fury Team seems interesting for the first time. Now, will we also see Ryo as Mr. Karate, or Terry is going to be the only character with new sprites (Athena doesn´t count!!)?
I can be any person in the world ... maybe I'm this person right in front of you ... or maybe I'm not !!
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| aderack
51th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(7):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 12:27:
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Garou Mark of the Wolves came out about 1998? And it takes place 10 years later. Though ambiguous, I figgured that meant 10 years after the game came out.
It came out in '99, but it takes place ten years after Geese's "for-real" death in Real Bout.
The real question, then, is when Real Bout takes place in the timeline. The answer seems to be '98. For one, that's the year that the final (albeit fantastical) revision of the game was released (and the year prior to the release of MotW). For another, although Real Bout was released in '95, Geese was still alive in 1997 to give Billy the orders to watch over Yamazaki in the KoF tournament.
Late 1997-'98 is the earliest that the game could reasonably take place. '98 is also the first year in a while that there was no KoF tournament. So the Real Bout tournament effectively fills the gap between KoF years. This makes the continuity pretty clean and easy to follow.
1997: King of Fighters '97 tournament
1998: Real Bout tournament
1999: King of Fighters '99 tournament.
Then, as I said, there's the issue about Terry's age.
So. Unless there's something really important that I'm missing, it seems that MotW takes place in 2008.
EricJonRösselWaugh
YOU CANNOT STOP ME WITH JUST A PARAMECIUM!
[this message was edited by aderack on Wed 29 Oct 13:02] |
| trufenix
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| "Re(9):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 12:58:
Well, all the games still exist, though I doubt the specific "years" no longer matter.
Only their chronological order is really signifigant anyways.
The AoF games did happen, as they are just as relevant (well, except AoF3) to KoF as the FF side plots are (mostly due to Geeses involvemnt). But, I don't think the age thing is ever going to get resolved. Ryo is like 7 years too young by KoF94, but he's properly aged in his cameos in FF:WA (retell of FF1) and FFS (retell of FF2) so wtf?.
Feel free to check my KoF Canon site (or just my site in general at: http://members.cox.net/~trufenix /) for more details, as I am attempting to appropriately catalog just what's going on in this cooky gameline anywho.
But I tihnk we're just going to have to accept that MOTW took place 10 years after Real Bout, and disregard the fact that it ruins Terry's age, not like Terry (or anyone in KoF) actually age anyways. So far it works for Hokutomaru, and Rock's age though.
-F.
Resistance is flammable! No one can snuff my flames!
[this message was edited by trufenix on Wed 29 Oct 13:10] |
| aderack
52th Post
Occasional Customer
| "Re(10):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 13:08:
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The AoF games did happen, as they are just as relevant (well, except AoF3) to KoF as the FF side plots are (mostly due to Geeses involvemnt). But, I don't think the age thing is ever going to get resolved.
It's not clear either way that the crossover events in the AoF games are still canon. Perhaps they are -- although if so, they've largely been ignored ever since the Art of Fighting characters were yanked into the future to take part in the King of Fighters tournament (and since their birthdates have been revised). Perhaps we're expected to just "ignore" the presence of the young Geese, and assume that the games take place during the early '90s. Perhaps they just take place in their own alternate timeline, that no longer corresponds to the ongoing one that all of the other games subscribe to.
Such is the problem with retcons. You run into trouble if you think too much. It would be easier if SNK were to say outright what we should ignore. In place of that, simplest seems best to me.
As a general principle, it's best to remember that this is a fluid universe, that's constantly under revision. Best to just shrug and accept whatever the new patches are and to obediently ignore whatever they serve to cancel out, rather than to try to save scraps that no longer serve any useful purpose.
In the case of Art of Fighting, it seems clearest and easiest to me to just say "these are meant to take place here. They logically can't anymore, so they probably take place here instead. If that's the case, then these details must be ignored."
You can't do much more, without just making stuff up.
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But I tihnk we're just going to have to accept that MOTW took place 10 years after Real Bout, and disregard the fact that it ruins Terry's age...
Nothing ruins Terry's age, if you re-read what I've said. Again, Real Bout couldn't possibly take place before late 1997 or '98 if you take into account that this is supposed to be the game in which Geese is killed "for real" and that he's still alive during KoF'97.
So. Terry's age is perfect, in that case. He's supposed to be 35 in Mark of the wolves. If Real Bout takes place when it logically must, then Mark of the Wolves takes place in 2008, when Terry will be 35.
So!
Yes.
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| trufenix
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| "Re(2):Re(10):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 13:24
Uhm, well I dunno quite what you're getting at, I never discredited Real Bout happening in 1998, that's when it has to happen based on those facts you listed.
Likewise, AoF has to have happened, considering AoF2 is the first KoF tournament, the scroll, Kasumi, and Geese's relationship with Mr. Big in KoF96. The only part that doesn't work is the AoF guys ages, which is a small thing since KoF Profiles don't list birthdate years, and no one has aged a day since KoF 94.
So, like I said, if we disregard all KoF age references, it works for everyone, but if we don't, then we ruin Terry's age.
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| aderack
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| "Re(3):Re(10):KOF 2003" , posted Wed 29 Oct 14:05
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Likewise, AoF has to have happened, considering AoF2 is the first KoF tournament, the scroll, Kasumi, and Geese's relationship with Mr. Big in KoF96.
As I tried to illustrate, that's not necessarily the case. Those details could, in theory, have their origin anywhere.
It's convenient that the answers happen to lie in the Art of Fighting series, so perhaps the games do roughly illustrate events that occurred within the existing continuity. The problem is the timeframe.
The current SNK universe does exist in real time, if you notice. Characters do age when appropriate, if someone doesn't forget to age them. (If they've overlooked Bao's age in 2003, that will be... problematic.) Time is a constant, even in the naming scheme.
That's logically not something that you can just discount, since it's a big part of what keeps the universe together. It's what allows a game like Mark of the Wolves to exist, and allows us to gradually work up to it.
The solution, then, is just to remember that the universe is constantly being revised. If a detail within the universe doesn't make sense anymore, after more recent revisions, then it's best and most easily ignored for the sake of the structural integrity of the whole.
As far as the rest of the current SNK universe is concerned, the Art of Fighting games are a problem. They have been ever since the characters were yanked about fifteen years into the future for KoF'94.
Some details from those games (like the characters themselves) are necessarily present in the current version of the continuity. Some haven't been spoken of in a long while. Some details contradict outright the current continuity.
So it seems impossible to take that series literally, at face value, if you want to keep the current universe as logically sound as possible.
That's fine. And it's a common problem in a universe such as this, that's constantly being revised. The problem is that SNK has given us no clear suggestions on how to interpret those games and their relationship to the timeline.
In and of themselves, it's clear when the Art of Fighting games take place. In relation to King of Fighters and the more recent Fatal Fury continuity, it's less so.
As a result, all we can do -- again, without just Making Shit Up, as it were -- is to vaguely block out what events within those games must have happened, what things could have happened, and what the probable timeframes are in relation to the more recent games.
Revision has made it impossible to be literal. So we must be practical.
If any events chronicled in those games must have occurred at some point, then clearly they did occur. It is, however, no longer clear that the games are an accurate illustration of how those events took place (even if they might have their own isolated logical continuity in and of themselves).
This is all fiction, and as such there are any number of interpretations of the same events. Look at how many versions of Little Red Riding hood there are, for another example. Or, say, Wonder Woman's origin.
If one accepts that the Art of Fighting games roughly did occur as-is (ignoring a few details here and there), they must take place sometime in the early '90s.
This is what I roughly assume, until and unless SNK says something firm on the matter.
In the case of any events which take place in the games, that don't make any sense in that timeframe, there are two options. If they're necessary, then they must have occurred sometime -- just not within the revised timeframe of most of the events of the AoF series. If they're needless, then they can probably be safely ignored.
Again. Simple is best. Whatever is least important is what breaks first, if it keeps the universe together.
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So, like I said, if we disregard all KoF age references, it works for everyone, but if we don't, then we ruin Terry's age.
And again, I haven't a clue what you're talking about here. No matter what you do, there's nothing wrong with Terry's age. It's fine. Terry's age is fine. It's one of the keys which makes everything work, logically.
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| Hungrywolf 2466th Post
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| "Re(8):agree to disagree" , posted Wed 29 Oct 14:27
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Thanks for the insult. Now let me explain, I like Terry's MOTW design in MOTW, but I didn't want his MOTW design in KoF YET. It's not that I don't like change, as you can see I also said in my post that I liked Andy's redesign. I have nothing against adding Griffon to KoF, I just don't think he should be on the Garou Densetsu team, or maybe there should be a new GD team and an old GD team. Also notice my suggestion that maybe instead of Griffon it could be Kevin as the addition. So basically...
SCREW YOU
Oh, come on. I was just kidding. I knew what you meant, but so much of it came out sounding like "change = bad" that I just had to crack a joke.
SORRY
It's alright, I'm still pissed off about only being able to use a computer at school. Still haven't gotten windows back on my computer. But anyway, I am a big fan or Terry's KoF design, I like his MOTW design, but just want it to stay in MOTW and any (hopefully) sequels to it. Actually, most fanboys I know keep wanting Terry's MOTW design to be used in KoF and any of the other SvC/CvS games. I don't know many who want him to stay with the regular Terry outfit. If it's changed, then I just will deal with it, he's still Terry...but I sure hope Mary is still in KoF. Sorry I kinda blew up. I've suddenly realized how important it is to me to have a computer to use at my dorm.
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| Fatality
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| "Re(3):Fatal Fury team pictures early" , posted Thu 30 Oct 21:01:
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December Arcadia on October?? For some reason, it does make sooo much sense after reading this info.... I must be needing vitamins.... It seems to be terminal stage.
with the way its looking, maybe KOF2004 will come out in 2005 XD
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| DarkZero 431th Post
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| "Re(6):Fatal Fury team pictures early" , posted Thu 30 Oct 22:55
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Alot of this "new direction" thing kind of reminds me of what they were saying when 99 came out, too, so I don't really expect any "amazing differences", but I'm happy to see them importing more classic characters again.
Well, there were a lot of "amazing differences" in KOF '99. The problem is that they all sucked. It brought in new heroes, made Kyo and Iori secret characters, gave Kyo a new outfit and some very different moves, introduced new characters, gave KOF its first story that wasn't tied directly to the Orochi plotline, and, if I remember correctly, brought the music more toward the KOF2k techno music. The problem is that all of that really, really sucked. The NESTS plotline sucked, its characters sucked, the strikers system sucked HARD, the music wasn't that great, and new Kyo was so exciting that they promptly changed him back to his old self in CvS2 and SvC. If the new characters had been interesting, the storyline engaging, the new gameplay system something sort of completely fucking awful, the music a tad bit better, and the new Kyo interesting enough to actually replace the old Kyo, then people would've been amazed by how wonderful and revolutionary it was. Instead, it officially crowned KOF '98 as everyone's favorite KOF.
Then again, my outlook isn't much more positive than yours. Now that SNK isn't on the rocks (BABY!), I'm expecting a game that's at least as ambitious as '99... but ambition, as '99 showed, does not equal quality. But hey, y'know... TIZOC! It's got Tizoc! We're having fried chicken tonight and that's a damn good start for a new KOF in my opinion.
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| Luisinan 532th Post
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| "Re(7):Fatal Fury team pictures early" , posted Fri 31 Oct 00:34
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Alot of this "new direction" thing kind of reminds me of what they were saying when 99 came out, too, so I don't really expect any "amazing differences", but I'm happy to see them importing more classic characters again.
Well, there were a lot of "amazing differences" in KOF '99. The problem is that they all sucked. It brought in new heroes, made Kyo and Iori secret characters, gave Kyo a new outfit and some very different moves, introduced new characters, gave KOF its first story that wasn't tied directly to the Orochi plotline, and, if I remember correctly, brought the music more toward the KOF2k techno music. The problem is that all of that really, really sucked. The NESTS plotline sucked, its characters sucked, the strikers system sucked HARD, the music wasn't that great, and new Kyo was so exciting that they promptly changed him back to his old self in CvS2 and SvC. If the new characters had been interesting, the storyline engaging, the new gameplay system something sort of completely fucking awful, the music a tad bit better, and the new Kyo interesting enough to actually replace the old Kyo, then people would've been amazed by how wonderful and revolutionary it was. Instead, it officially crowned KOF '98 as everyone's favorite KOF.
Then again, my outlook isn't much more positive than yours. Now that SNK isn't on the rocks (BABY!), I'm expecting a game that's at least as ambitious as '99... but ambition, as '99 showed, does not equal quality. But hey, y'know... TIZOC! It's got Tizoc! We're having fried chicken tonight and that's a damn good start for a new KOF in my opinion.
I am forced to disagree. Firstly, Kyo's new design was succesful, well, IMO, it was. Just because Capcom used his old design, means nothing-- Capcom used very old designs and poses for the CvS series. I think SNNKP used the old Kyo sprite because it would compliment the 'classical' theme in SvC.
The new characters in '99 were a mixed bag. K' was definitely above average, and so was Lin.
The NEST storyline, all 3 parts, did suck. The Kyo clone idea was okay-good, but everything else stunk.
The music was above average, yeah, not as good as in the past, but there were a few good tracks.
Making Kyo and Iori secret characters was a great idea.
So, what I'm trying to say is that... well, yeah, the new direction in 99-01 wasn't that great. But it wasn't super terrible. I'd say above average. Comparing it to '98 isn't very fair because 1998 didn't introduce many new things, but was actually just a refinement of the system created from 94-97. 1999 was experimentation and new stuff.
As for '03, well, Tizoc's presence gives me hope. If SNKP is brave enough to ditch Andy, then it shows that they might be brave enough to do other risky things with the engine or the other teams. New stuff. And new stuff is what KOF needs. Even if it fails, 'new stuff' is infinitely better the '02 - very old characters + few new characters.
-I personally can't wait till SNKP introduces "Super Secret Infinitely Difficult Desperation Moves" SSIDDMs. Just when you thought the motions and the supers couldn't get any crazier.
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I totally agree with Iggy. If Griffon means ditching old charas and making space for new ones I'm all for it!
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