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Krzyzewski Man
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"Soul Calibur II AI" , posted Thu 23 Oct 18:13:

At my local lounge, which has Soul Calibur II, it seems that sometime in the last month the owners ramped up the difficulty in the AI. At first, since I mostly play Conquest Mode, I just thought that the opponents were getting stronger along with my characters. But a few days ago I tried Arcade Mode, picking Taki, a character I've used before to beat Arcade mode with little difficulty. I died on the first opponent! It was Cassandra, and she seemingly blocked everything I threw, and easily evaded my own throws while landing all of her own attacks precisely without fail. I beat her the second time, but I wasn't able to get past the fourth opponent, or even win two rounds in a row. Lately, I've read some other people criticizing Soul Calibur for having an unnecessarily cheap AI. They're exactly right. You'd think that if they could program such masterful graphics, they could make a decent AI, or at least one that wasn't so obviously designed to suck quarters. It's just a scrub with perfect reflexes and knowledge of what you're going to do.

Now that that's out of my system, what do you guys think?

Edit: There are a bunch of characters that are tailor-made for cheapness: specifically, Mitsurugi and Raphael(somewhat) with their really fast attacks, Ivy and Kilik with speed and range and some other aspects (especially Kilik, he needs to be made harder to use next time, or at least make his effective stuff harder to use), Taki and Cassandra with bulldog rushdown (not Talim so much, she doesn' do enough damage), and Voldo and Maxi with their ridiculous unpredictability heightened by the prediction ability of the AI. I'm sure you all have other hated opponents, feel free to list. Specifically, I hate Kilik and Mitsurugi.

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[this message was edited by Krzyzewski Man on Thu 23 Oct 19:22]

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Iron D

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"Re(1):Soul Calibur II AI" , posted Thu 23 Oct 18:30:

Actually, it would seem that the AI is generally amped up. In the arcade, I also had trouble getting past the first opponent, when in the arcade SC, I beat it almost everytime I played it. The home version is also harder. Hard mode in SC2 is easily harder than Hard mode in SC.

It gets really frustrating. I've already thrown the controller (and worse) over opponents like Taki, Talim, Ivy (insanity), Voldo (who was a piece of cake in SC) and friggin' Inferno.

Edit: Added a bit to the first paragraph.

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[this message was edited by Iron D on Thu 23 Oct 19:32]

Toxico

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"Re(2):Soul Calibur II AI" , posted Thu 23 Oct 21:42

quote:
It gets really frustrating. I've already thrown the controller (and worse) over opponents like Taki, Talim, Ivy (insanity), Voldo (who was a piece of cake in SC) and friggin' Inferno.

Edit: Added a bit to the first paragraph.

I still don't get the chance to test the Soul Calibur machine but I have done some pretty extensive research with the Tekken games and I have noticed that Namco of America messes up with the AI of the console game; for example in the japanese Tekken 4 the AI will play the most insanely though enemies on the hardest setting, it really needs to use every dirty trick on the book to dispatch the enemy... On the american Tekken 4 version the AI does nothing but random punches and throws -> pitiful.

Lastly Namco of japan DOES change the difficulty from the arcade games to the console games; I guess that they think "if they already got the game they can play for free, if they can play for free let's make them use A LOT of continues".

Gojira

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"Re(1):Soul Calibur II AI" , posted Fri 24 Oct 12:16

quote:
At my local lounge, which has Soul Calibur II, it seems that sometime in the last month the owners ramped up the difficulty in the AI. At first, since I mostly play Conquest Mode, I just thought that the opponents were getting stronger along with my characters. But a few days ago I tried Arcade Mode, picking Taki, a character I've used before to beat Arcade mode with little difficulty. I died on the first opponent! It was Cassandra, and she seemingly blocked everything I threw, and easily evaded my own throws while landing all of her own attacks precisely without fail. I beat her the second time, but I wasn't able to get past the fourth opponent, or even win two rounds in a row. Lately, I've read some other people criticizing Soul Calibur for having an unnecessarily cheap AI. They're exactly right. You'd think that if they could program such masterful graphics, they could make a decent AI, or at least one that wasn't so obviously designed to suck quarters. It's just a scrub with perfect reflexes and knowledge of what you're going to do.

Now that that's out of my system, what do you guys think?

Edit: There are a bunch of characters that are tailor-made for cheapness: specifically, Mitsurugi and Raphael(somewhat) with their really fast attacks, Ivy and Kilik with speed and range and some other aspects (especially Kilik, he needs to be made harder to use next time, or at least make his effective stuff harder to use), Taki and Cassandra with bulldog rushdown (not Talim so much, she doesn' do enough damage), and Voldo and Maxi with their ridiculous unpredictability heightened by the prediction ability of the AI. I'm sure you all have other hated opponents, feel free to list. Specifically, I hate Kilik and Mitsurugi.

The AI is dumb. Plain as that. Even on the hardest level all it does is GI everything. That doesn't let you use offense much but the AI still throws out unsafe moves and slow, easily stepped linear crap so it's very beatable.

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Undead Fred

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"Re(1):Soul Calibur II AI" , posted Fri 24 Oct 17:48

quote:
At my local lounge, which has Soul Calibur II, it seems that sometime in the last month the owners ramped up the difficulty in the AI. At first, since I mostly play Conquest Mode, I just thought that the opponents were getting stronger along with my characters. But a few days ago I tried Arcade Mode, picking Taki, a character I've used before to beat Arcade mode with little difficulty. I died on the first opponent! It was Cassandra, and she seemingly blocked everything I threw, and easily evaded my own throws while landing all of her own attacks precisely without fail. I beat her the second time, but I wasn't able to get past the fourth opponent, or even win two rounds in a row. Lately, I've read some other people criticizing Soul Calibur for having an unnecessarily cheap AI. They're exactly right. You'd think that if they could program such masterful graphics, they could make a decent AI, or at least one that wasn't so obviously designed to suck quarters. It's just a scrub with perfect reflexes and knowledge of what you're going to do.

Now that that's out of my system, what do you guys think?

Edit: There are a bunch of characters that are tailor-made for cheapness: specifically, Mitsurugi and Raphael(somewhat) with their really fast attacks, Ivy and Kilik with speed and range and some other aspects (especially Kilik, he needs to be made harder to use next time, or at least make his effective stuff harder to use), Taki and Cassandra with bulldog rushdown (not Talim so much, she doesn' do enough damage), and Voldo and Maxi with their ridiculous unpredictability heightened by the prediction ability of the AI. I'm sure you all have other hated opponents, feel free to list. Specifically, I hate Kilik and Mitsurugi.

I haven't had this problem yet with SC2, but it's definitely a problem in VF4 and VFE. At the higher levels, the AI players twitch like a crack fiend so they can block any and EVERY move you throw at them. Blech.

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