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|  "Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs"
, posted Thu 23 Oct 09:46
Hi, people!
Just finished watching the Saint Seiya Hades Chapter - Sanctuary HK DVDs, and I personally think that this series possibly just beats the original Sanctuary chapter overall as the best Saint Seiya chapter to date. That having been said, I do have a few questions, since I don't know if many of you have already watched this or not, I'll post all the questions as spoilers, okay? Questions mainly for others who have watched the Hades-Sanctuary Chapter or read the whole series in the original Manga;
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
1; Since every other dead Saint [Silver, Gold, etc.] was revived from the dead, why was the Sagittarius Gold Saint not?
2; They didn't use various tracks from the original OST made for the Hades Chapter many long years ago [noticeable, the opening and ending were changed]. Since the OST covers later parts of the story as well, is there a chance that the rest of the OST will be used in the next chapter?
3; Well, this question sorta comes from number 2. Are they working on the next chapter yet? If not, why not? Were the OVAs not popular?
4; During the final episodes, we find out that Shion and the other Saints only pretended to work for Hades. This question is about Cancer Deathmask, and Pisces Athrodite. Were they still evil? I mean, their original appearances were basically 'evil gold saints' and they still seemed pretty evil in the Hades OVAs. I just can't seem to see them as good guys. Plus, they seemed so desperate to get back to life before Wyvern Rhadamanthys wastes the two of them.
5; Since they were shown in the Hades OST, I already knew about the Bronze Saints' "Athena Revived" Cloths. But does, anyone know if their Cloths actually evolve anymore during the next part?
6; Libra Dohko says his heart only beated 100,000 times a year for the last 243 years. That way, only 243 days would have passed for him. Quite clever but during earlier episodes where he occasionally becomes more 'active' wouldn't it speed his heart rate up? I'm thinking to when he trained Shiryu before his original meeting with Aries Mu.
7; Is Shunrei's VA the same or different? If it's the same one, then her [his?] voice has changed for the worse! If not then couldn't they have found a new VA that sounded remotely similar to the original one?
8; Phoenix Ikki was a waste of time in this first section of the Hades Chapter! Did this happen in the manga too? The ending could have had him reaching the 8th sense and following them too, or did they just forget him?
9; Dragon Shiryu doesn't use the Rozan Hyaku Ryu Ha at any point in this series. So does that mean we need a flashback when he does? Also, he doesn't seem to make much use of Capricorn Shura's Excalibur does he?
10; Back to Libra Dohko, is it supposed to be symbolic of something that he's the only Gold Saint to survive BOTH Holy Wars or is he just cursed in a weird way?
11; Did Wyvern Rhadamanthys die at the end? We're just left with an assumption he did since we see Pegasus Seiya 'flying' at the end.
12; Finally, I remember one Saint Seiya manga I read a long time ago in Hong Kong. I think it was the Hades Chapter, it had the main Bronze Saints, Seiya, Hyoga, Shiryu, and Shun fighting some dude with a large wing on one side of his headpiece [there was another who looked exactly like him, only with the wing on the other side, but he didn't seem to do anything]. Anyway, When all of them get Gold Cloths to fight him, we have Sagittarius Seiya, Libra Shiryu, Aquarius Hyoga, and Pisces Shun [I can't remember if Ikki was there, he would get Cancer anyway if he was]. Question is, their Bronze Cloths are pretty much vapourized and since there are no more Gold Saints around, do Seiya and the others replace them?
End of Spoiler
That was a bit longer than I expected, sorry! Final thought; wouldn't it be cool if they made a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Anime series in this style? The new CG effects during the attacks just kept making me think of JJBA!...
2 sharp on both sides.
2 tired of double lives.
2-way mirror through your eyes.
Way 2 many honest lies.
The lines are drawn
So choose your sides.
2 EDGED.
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| Burning Kyo 1858th Post
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|  "Re(1):Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs"
, posted Thu 23 Oct 10:20
quote:
1; Since every other dead Saint [Silver, Gold, etc.] was revived from the dead, why was the Sagittarius Gold Saint not?
2; They didn't use various tracks from the original OST made for the Hades Chapter many long years ago [noticeable, the opening and ending were changed]. Since the OST covers later parts of the story as well, is there a chance that the rest of the OST will be used in the next chapter?
3; Well, this question sorta comes from number 2. Are they working on the next chapter yet? If not, why not? Were the OVAs not popular?
4; During the final episodes, we find out that Shion and the other Saints only pretended to work for Hades. This question is about Cancer Deathmask, and Pisces Athrodite. Were they still evil? I mean, their original appearances were basically 'evil gold saints' and they still seemed pretty evil in the Hades OVAs. I just can't seem to see them as good guys. Plus, they seemed so desperate to get back to life before Wyvern Rhadamanthys wastes the two of them.
5; Since they were shown in the Hades OST, I already knew about the Bronze Saints' "Athena Revived" Cloths. But does, anyone know if their Cloths actually evolve anymore during the next part?
6; Libra Dohko says his heart only beated 100,000 times a year for the last 243 years. That way, only 243 days would have passed for him. Quite clever but during earlier episodes where he occasionally becomes more 'active' wouldn't it speed his heart rate up? I'm thinking to when he trained Shiryu before his original meeting with Aries Mu.
7; Is Shunrei's VA the same or different? If it's the same one, then her [his?] voice has changed for the worse! If not then couldn't they have found a new VA that sounded remotely similar to the original one?
8; Phoenix Ikki was a waste of time in this first section of the Hades Chapter! Did this happen in the manga too? The ending could have had him reaching the 8th sense and following them too, or did they just forget him?
9; Dragon Shiryu doesn't use the Rozan Hyaku Ryu Ha at any point in this series. So does that mean we need a flashback when he does? Also, he doesn't seem to make much use of Capricorn Shura's Excalibur does he?
10; Back to Libra Dohko, is it supposed to be symbolic of something that he's the only Gold Saint to survive BOTH Holy Wars or is he just cursed in a weird way?
11; Did Wyvern Rhadamanthys die at the end? We're just left with an assumption he did since we see Pegasus Seiya 'flying' at the end.
12; Finally, I remember one Saint Seiya manga I read a long time ago in Hong Kong. I think it was the Hades Chapter, it had the main Bronze Saints, Seiya, Hyoga, Shiryu, and Shun fighting some dude with a large wing on one side of his headpiece [there was another who looked exactly like him, only with the wing on the other side, but he didn't seem to do anything]. Anyway, When all of them get Gold Cloths to fight him, we have Sagittarius Seiya, Libra Shiryu, Aquarius Hyoga, and Pisces Shun [I can't remember if Ikki was there, he would get Cancer anyway if he was]. Question is, their Bronze Cloths are pretty much vapourized and since there are no more Gold Saints around, do Seiya and the others replace them?
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
1. Sagittarius is too faithfull to Athena to sell his soul to Hades.
2. Maybe ...
3. Link Here, i think that'll answer to your question.
4. DeathMask 'n Aphrodite are bitches
5. Yup, their armors will evolved in Kamui (Semi-God Armor) thank to Athena's blood.
6. lol dunno
7. It's not so worse :p
8. It's the same in the manga. The phoenix is immortal, so I think that's easier for him to travel between hell 'n earth ('n without the help of Athena's blood).
9. He doesn't need this shit now, he will honored his master by using his techniques (the 1000 dragons of rozan).
10. No, he wasn't the only guy to survive. Sion has survived too, but he's killed by Saga few years after.
11. I don't remember if he really died (maybe by Saga or Ikki ?)
12. After Thanatos crushed their armors (bronze 'n gold), thanks to the 8th 'n Athena's blood, they'll one after one their Kamuis
End of Spoiler
鮮やかな世界は音も無く静かに闇に消えて行く
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| iggy 1921th Post
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| "Re(2):Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs" , posted Thu 23 Oct 11:17
This question is about Cancer Deathmask, and Pisces Athrodite. Were they still evil?
I think they are evils, but faithfull to Athena even though they choose the wrong side in the sanctuary battle.
7; Is Shunrei's VA the same or different? If it's the same one, then her [his?] voice has changed for the worse! If not then couldn't they have found a new VA that sounded remotely similar to the original one?
No, that bitch is the idol who sings the awfull openning thema, and I hate her. hate hate hate. The only funny thing with her is that she's funny to imitate. ("Rôshi! Odekakette...?")
8; Phoenix Ikki was a waste of time in this first section of the Hades Chapter!
Actually, nobody except Seiya and Shiryû appear before they go to Hades's castle. Since they didn't want to do a St Seya series without the 5 heroes, they made Shun and the others appear earlier. The problem is that only the 4 base saint go to the castle, we never see Ikki jump in the Hades (there are interesting theories about Ikki beeing already dead, or undead, or something, that explain the fact he seems to appear in the Hades from nowhere. I don't remember it well (Olivier? Are you here?), and I don't want to say something stupid about it.)
11; Did Wyvern Rhadamanthys die at the end? We're just left with an assumption he did since we see Pegasus Seiya 'flying' at the end.
No he doesn't yet ; he will however in a not distant future.
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| Time Mage 1661th Post
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| "Re(3):Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs" , posted Thu 23 Oct 11:53
quote:
This question is about Cancer Deathmask, and Pisces Athrodite. Were they still evil?
I think they are evils, but faithfull to Athena even though they choose the wrong side in the sanctuary battle.
I think that too: They're with Athena, but selfish enough to care more for their own "lives".
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8; Phoenix Ikki was a waste of time in this first section of the Hades Chapter!
Actually, nobody except Seiya and Shiryû appear before they go to Hades's castle. Since they didn't want to do a St Seya series without the 5 heroes, they made Shun and the others appear earlier. The problem is that only the 4 base saint go to the castle, we never see Ikki jump in the Hades (there are interesting theories about Ikki beeing already dead, or undead, or something, that explain the fact he seems to appear in the Hades from nowhere. I don't remember it well (Olivier? Are you here?), and I don't want to say something stupid about it.)
Phoenix Ikki has died quite a lot of times already, and came back from hell always, so it looks like he can naturally (well, sort of) travel between the Hades and the Earth, given his Phoenix Saint nature. Also, since he (supposedly) died in the flood of Poseidon's Ocean Temple, he could simply be in the Hades in that moment then, so he didn't needed to enter.
So, to sum up: Poenix is the BEST. (Not in my opinion, this is a fact! :P)
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11; Did Wyvern Rhadamanthys die at the end? We're just left with an assumption he did since we see Pegasus Seiya 'flying' at the end.
No he doesn't yet ; he will however in a not distant future.
Well, he does last very long, at least.
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| Burning Kyo 1859th Post
Silver Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Executive
| "Re(4):Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs" , posted Thu 23 Oct 12:31
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Also, since he (supposedly) died in the flood of Poseidon's Ocean Temple, he could simply be in the Hades in that moment then, so he didn't needed to enter.
So, to sum up: Poenix is the BEST. (Not in my opinion, this is a fact! :P)
Where do you that he died in Poseidons' temple ? He's still alive ; the last time in Poseidon part. that we can see it, he's encouraging Seiya with Shiryu 'n Hyoga, after been electrocuted by Poseidon.
PS : Yeah, Ikki is the best ! (^_^)
But theorically, he's the strongest after Shun (since Shun was the 1st to reach the 7th sense to get his armor)
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| Burning Kyo 1862th Post
Silver Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Executive
| "Re(6):Questions about Saint Seiya Hades OVAs" , posted Thu 23 Oct 15:09:
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Well, everyone was saved by Athena except him... So, either he was saved by anyone else (Kanon, maybe?), or he died.
And about the strenght... I don't think that Shun is stronger than Ikki, only because he awakened his Seventh Sense earlier... Based on performance, Ikki is the best.
- You talk about the anime, right ?
- No, Shun is really more powerful (look at the Nebula Storm = perfect attack 'n defence move) but he's too girly to express it by violence. Also that's why Hades-sama choose him.
But it's sure if you count the girly fact, the strongest bronze saints is Ikki : best armor + psychic attack + pitiless.
The shittiest is Hyoga IMO.
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| iggy 1925th Post
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| "Artemis" , posted Thu 23 Oct 15:13
About the movie...(from V Jump)
It happens after Hades, and is official (ie by Kurumada.)
At the beginning, Seiya, after the fight against Hades, lost all his senses and is in wheelchair... And Athena decides to revive him, but in exchange, she must go back to Olympus, and Artemis takes her place.
Uuuuuuh!? That's an unusual beginning for a movie of St Seiya...It will end in a big battle with Seya fighting for love and justice anyway, but it might actually be ...good!!???!?
(And the end of Hades will be released after, which is completely logic. Way to go!)
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| Burning Kyo 1862th Post
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| "Re(1):Artemis" , posted Thu 23 Oct 15:22
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About the movie...(from V Jump)
It happens after Hades, and is official (ie by Kurumada.)
At the beginning, Seiya, after the fight against Hades, lost all his senses and is in wheelchair... And Athena decides to revive him, but in exchange, she must go back to Olympus, and Artemis takes her place.
Uuuuuuh!? That's an unusual beginning for a movie of St Seiya...It will end in a big battle with Seya fighting for love and justice anyway, but it might actually be ...good!!???!?
(And the end of Hades will be released after, which is completely logic. Way to go!)
> http://www.animeland.com/image.php?6567&1
The 1st time I saw that pic, I believe it's fanart (^_^')
鮮やかな世界は音も無く静かに闇に消えて行く
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