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| TalbainEric 5494th Post
 
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|  "Rose"
, posted Sun 19 Oct 13:07
I copied and pasted this conversation of mine from another board I posted at:
A conversation between me and Gil sprouted this topic.
OK guys. I don't know about y'all. But I feel that Rose has been totally ignored by Capcom all together. I find that sad,seeing as how she's the 2nd sexiest SF woman(behind Cammy ) and one of the better SF designs. She had an interesting storyline,personality and,gameplay-wise,she was fairly decent.
I used her a lot when SFA first came out. But she seemed upstaged later on by the likes of Sakura(yawn). And Capcom left her in the bin(along with a good majority of their best characters),in the video-game trash can. I wonder if she'll even make a good appearance in the SF comics. Now that no.2 is out,there are only a few more issues to go before it ends. I'd like to see her.
She was better suited to the Darkstalkers world,IMO. But she was something awesome to see in SF.
Quote from my chat with Gil:
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Gil: I always liked her. When SFA1 first came out, I was actually slightly better with Rose than I was with Chun-Li! She was the first character I played through SFA1 with without continuing. Some complained that she was too weird and out of place, but compared to a jailbird, chained Cody and the freaks of SF3, I have to disagree.
Good points,too.
Cheers to Rose. Hope they'll do something with her later.
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| Hungrywolf 2448th Post
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|  "Re(1):Rose"
, posted Sun 19 Oct 13:29
quote:
I copied and pasted this conversation of mine from another board I posted at:
A conversation between me and Gil sprouted this topic.
OK guys. I don't know about y'all. But I feel that Rose has been totally ignored by Capcom all together. I find that sad,seeing as how she's the 2nd sexiest SF woman(behind Cammy ) and one of the better SF designs. She had an interesting storyline,personality and,gameplay-wise,she was fairly decent.
I used her a lot when SFA first came out. But she seemed upstaged later on by the likes of Sakura(yawn). And Capcom left her in the bin(along with a good majority of their best characters),in the video-game trash can. I wonder if she'll even make a good appearance in the SF comics. Now that no.2 is out,there are only a few more issues to go before it ends. I'd like to see her.
She was better suited to the Darkstalkers world,IMO. But she was something awesome to see in SF.
Quote from my chat with Gil:
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Gil: I always liked her. When SFA1 first came out, I was actually slightly better with Rose than I was with Chun-Li! She was the first character I played through SFA1 with without continuing. Some complained that she was too weird and out of place, but compared to a jailbird, chained Cody and the freaks of SF3, I have to disagree.
Good points,too.
Cheers to Rose. Hope they'll do something with her later.
Sakura > Rose
I have to agree with Iggy.
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I find that sad,seeing as how she's the 2nd sexiest SF woman(behind Cammy ) and one of the better SF designs.
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I disagree with that comment on many levels. But to each his own.
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| CrazyMike 711th Post
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| "Re(9):Rose" , posted Sun 19 Oct 19:26:
Charlie died in Alpha 1, oh wait he is back in Alpha 2. But Alpha 2 is a remake so he's back. Oh wait, he dies in that too, yet he is back in Alpha 3. And yet he only dies in Guile's ending
Rose dies in Alpha 1, onto Alpha 2, remake, she is in a bathtub, she is not dead but I guess we can assume she will be killed because evil bison is watching her naked in the tub with his psycho powers, yet she is back in Alpha 3 and...she doesn't die, she is "rescued" by the night in shining gi, Guy, and it ends.
This is why I cannot buy the crap that Hugo is not Andore no matter what Capcom says, sorry but not even Capcom itself is a good source of information about plot and characters.
<Edit> I like Rose, it is not to see a fem fighting character who can keep her clothes on and have more reasons to fight than petty, lame reasons like trying to impress a certain you know who that is more interested in "hanging out" with Ken-doll than giving private lessons to young, pretty girls in short skirts @_@
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| VManOfMana
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| "Re(10):Rose" , posted Sun 19 Oct 19:44
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Charlie died in Alpha 1, oh wait he is back in Alpha 2. But Alpha 2 is a remake so he's back. Oh wait, he dies in that too, yet he is back in Alpha 3. And yet he only dies in Guile's ending
Rose dies in Alpha 1, onto Alpha 2, remake, she is in a bathtub, she is not dead but I guess we can assume she will be killed because evil bison is watching her naked in the tub with his psycho powers, yet she is back in Alpha 3 and...she doesn't die, she is "rescued" by the night in shining gi, Guy, and it ends.
This is why I cannot buy the crap that Hugo is not Andore no matter what Capcom says, sorry but not even Capcom itself is a good source of information about plot and characters.
That's why it is a good thing to read the Capcom Canon FAQ, which is 99% based on official Capcom sources (namely: All About Capcom book).
Alpha 2 is a rewrite of Alpha 1. In other words, Alpha 1 never existed in canon. Alpha 3 is the end of the Alpha storyline, and Charlie does die in there (following Guile's ending). Rose "dies" as well, according to her ending. And her ending also explains to a degree why Guy has never reappeared, although there is official claim on what happened to Guy.
Hugo is just one of the different Andores in Final Fight. There was Andore Jr, Andore, Hugo Andore and some other kind of Andores (Papa and Grandpa, I think).
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| Iron D 2349th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Rose" , posted Mon 20 Oct 14:39:
Simply put, Rose is one of my favorite videogame females. In any genre, in any company. She rules.
I tend to like the more stylish, mild mannered, mysterios and not so hyper women like Rose, Kyoko and Leona to the loud, high pitched voiced, sugar-high characters like Sakura, Yuri, Tiffany and the like, though there are exceptions (I like Karin a lot).
It's cool to see a topic for such a rarely discussed character pop up. The cafe has been lacking in this sort of thing lately...
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| ZamIAm 1080th Post
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| "Stylish flower" , posted Mon 20 Oct 17:11
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Simply put, Rose is one of my favorite videogame females. In any genre, in any company. She rules.
I tend to like the more stylish, mild mannered, mysterios and not so hyper women like Rose, Kyoko and Leona to the loud, high pitched voiced, sugar-high characters like Sakura, Yuri, Tiffany and the like, though there are exceptions (I like Karin a lot).
It's cool to see a topic for such a rarely discussed character pop up. The cafe has been lacking in this sort of thing lately...
I think Rose is a perfect example of missed potential. I sort of get the shared soul thing once it was explained a couple ways and like the theory (somewhat). To have a SF character with a projectile reflector is great.
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| RSJ 774th Post
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|  "Re(1):Rose"
, posted Mon 20 Oct 20:24
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I copied and pasted this conversation of mine from another board I posted at:
A conversation between me and Gil sprouted this topic.
OK guys. I don't know about y'all. But I feel that Rose has been totally ignored by Capcom all together. I find that sad,seeing as how she's the 2nd sexiest SF woman(behind Cammy ) and one of the better SF designs. She had an interesting storyline,personality and,gameplay-wise,she was fairly decent.
I used her a lot when SFA first came out. But she seemed upstaged later on by the likes of Sakura(yawn). And Capcom left her in the bin(along with a good majority of their best characters),in the video-game trash can. I wonder if she'll even make a good appearance in the SF comics. Now that no.2 is out,there are only a few more issues to go before it ends. I'd like to see her.
She was better suited to the Darkstalkers world,IMO. But she was something awesome to see in SF.
Quote from my chat with Gil:
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Gil: I always liked her. When SFA1 first came out, I was actually slightly better with Rose than I was with Chun-Li! She was the first character I played through SFA1 with without continuing. Some complained that she was too weird and out of place, but compared to a jailbird, chained Cody and the freaks of SF3, I have to disagree.
Good points,too.
Cheers to Rose. Hope they'll do something with her later.
The best thing about Rose was her penis....
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Oh wait. Haha... I've been reading too much Xylaphone!!
Hmmm... I dunno... I guess I MIGHT have noticed Rose, if she had a turtleneck thong on like Cammy did.
She had Tiffany-esque hair... That was a plus I guess, right?
Ah screw it, I thought Gen was a much more interesting than Rose.
Now Project Justice... now THERE were some hot girl designs there.
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Rose" , posted Tue 21 Oct 12:21
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There isn't a Hugo Andore in Final Fight. There's an "F.Andore", Andore, Andore Jr., "G. Andore", and Abigail, who's just a head-swap for Andore...
Don't forget U.Andore. : )
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What's really stupid is that Capcom has never stated that Hugo is an Andore, but I don't believe they ever stated that he was NOT an Andore, then in Street Fighter Eternal, they say that he originally comes from Final Fight, but they STILL don't say that he's an Andore...
True, there's not a Japanese book that comes right out and denies any connection between Hugo and the Andore family. But ALL ABOUT CAPCOM lists Hugo and Andore as separate characters, and then right after the publication of the Street Fighter Eternal book, the second 15th Anniversary book comes out and does not include Final Fight in the list of games in which Hugo has appeared. I'm still waiting for my copy of the SVC CHAOS mook -- I'm curious to see if SNK mentions Final Fight, Mad Gear, or the Andore family in Hugo's backstory for that game.
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My theory is that they convienently renamed him to avoid possible lawsuits by the family of Andre the Gaint ( a pro-wrestler for those who don't know ); similar to M.Bison/Balrog switch.
Except that CAPCOM has continued to produce games that featured the Andore name long after Andre the Giant's death.
1989 - Final Fight (coin-op)
1990 - Final Fight (SFC/SNES)
1992 - Final Fight Guy (SFC/SNES)
1993 - >> Andre the Giant dies, 1/29/93 <<
1993 - Final Fight CD (MegaCD/SegaCD)
1993 - Final Fight 2 (SFC/SNES)
1993 - Mighty Final Fight (FC/NES)
1995 - Final Fight Tough (SFC/SNES)
1999 - Final Fight Revenge (coin-op)
2000 - Final Fight Revenge (Saturn)
2001 - Final Fight ONE (GBA)
Plenty of other changes were made to non-Japanese versions of the games in the FF series.
Final Fight (SNES): Poison and Roxy were replaced with the more obviously male sprites of Billy and Sid, Damnd and Sodom had their names changed to Thrasher and Katana, curse words were excised from background grafitti (these changes were even retained in Final Fight ONE).
Final Fight 2 (SNES): Mary and Eliza (actual female gang members this time) were replaced with 2 male sprites (the names escape me at the moment), the large cleaver-/razor-like weapon wielded by Won-Won was removed from his sprite.
Yet the MegaCD/SegaCD version of FF did not suffer the same fate as the Nintendo versions. If CAPCOM were really concerned about offending the estate of Andre the Giant, don't you think they would've changed either the Andore name or the Andore sprite in the half-dozen games released after Andre's death? Since they didn't, and since they haven't been sued over it, I can only conclude that CAPCOM was never being threatened with such action.
--Chris
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