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| Gojira 1163th Post
 
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|  "Re(8):OT: Italy: Martial artist kills robbers"
, posted Thu 16 Oct 15:23
I can't believe I'm clarifying this, but I suppose I have to explain.
First of all, you are all affected by the media sensationalization of this. Sure, the article tickles my fancy as well, but at least I'm living in reality and can see how the ordering of the events in the article has caused such a reaction. It was obvious from the word "Tarentino". You are basing your verdict on this righteous fantasy of yours that resembles some kind of movie, video game or comic book.
Secondly, think about this for a second: He killed them based on the THREAT of a rape. Not an actual rape, but the threat. There are two things that may have brought this about. One, the thing you are ALL assuming, is that they were going to rape the women. Two, the one NONE of you are assuming, is that they emptily threatened to rape them in order to make them eventually reveal something of value hidden about. However slight the possibility, it has to be considered.
Now, on the other side, who's to say that his intent wasn't to kill them? Who's to say that he was really defending the women from a possible rape and instead was just looking for a chance to off the intruders where the protection was actually a side effect of that? Maybe he knew who they were. Maybe he has a history. None of this is mentioned in the article.
Since you DON'T know, and since you can't read minds, you have to consider what was physically done more than what was allegedly intended. The burglars broke in to rob... we know this because they did take what little there was. That they threatened to rape the women requires confirmation, but it probably will be confirmed at some point. Then three of the four were summarily killed or wounded. We assume there was a struggle since this "doctor" himself had wounds of his own. The rest of the gory details are left out. So on one side we have three dead or wounded, on the other we have one wounded, two very shaken up. And there is nothing to suspect about it? That would be nice, wouldn't it?
Moreover, on the question of "was it excessive" to which I said yes, how do you get more excessive than killing someone? Moreso, only two of the burglars were actually armed, according to the article. That might account for the two who were killed, but what of the third? So many details unknown here. Accident vs. intent is once again only hypothetical.
In the chance that this noble vision you have all created in your heads is true, he deserves maybe SOME leniency. But not enough to avoid jail time altogether. My previous post summarizes all those thoughts.
I hope I have made myself clear. If not, too bad... I can't get any more explicit than this.
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| Undead Fred 980th Post
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| "Re(9):OT: Italy: Martial artist kills robbers" , posted Thu 16 Oct 20:08
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I can't believe I'm clarifying this, but I suppose I have to explain.
First of all, you are all affected by the media sensationalization of this. Sure, the article tickles my fancy as well, but at least I'm living in reality and can see how the ordering of the events in the article has caused such a reaction. It was obvious from the word "Tarentino". You are basing your verdict on this righteous fantasy of yours that resembles some kind of movie, video game or comic book.
Secondly, think about this for a second: He killed them based on the THREAT of a rape. Not an actual rape, but the threat. There are two things that may have brought this about. One, the thing you are ALL assuming, is that they were going to rape the women. Two, the one NONE of you are assuming, is that they emptily threatened to rape them in order to make them eventually reveal something of value hidden about. However slight the possibility, it has to be considered.
My point was this- who cares if it was an empty threat or not? They broke in, and they had knives. Who cares if only half of them had knives or not? They broke in to the victims' apartment and (apparently) overpowered them. How in the hell would you know whether they were out to scare you, or if they really don't mind raping and/or killing people in order to rob them? Just wait and see if they'll do it first? They at least deserved a beating from the moment they started tying people up. You could argue the whole "just do what they say and they'll leave" idea if they didn't threaten anyone. But they did (apparently). Plus, there was the fact that they had knives. Since Mr. Doctor didn't know these people, he had to take them seriously. Big deal if he got mad. He had the right to be. I don't know if he meant to kill them or just disable them for the time being... that's another thing altogether. However, the thieves should not have been in that apartment in the first place.
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Now, on the other side, who's to say that his intent wasn't to kill them? Who's to say that he was really defending the women from a possible rape and instead was just looking for a chance to off the intruders where the protection was actually a side effect of that? Maybe he knew who they were. Maybe he has a history. None of this is mentioned in the article.
Since you DON'T know, and since you can't read minds, you have to consider what was physically done more than what was allegedly intended. The burglars broke in to rob... we know this because they did take what little there was. That they threatened to rape the women requires confirmation, but it probably will be confirmed at some point. Then three of the four were summarily killed or wounded. We assume there was a struggle since this "doctor" himself had wounds of his own. The rest of the gory details are left out. So on one side we have three dead or wounded, on the other we have one wounded, two very shaken up. And there is nothing to suspect about it? That would be nice, wouldn't it?
Dude... I, for one, considered this. That's why I said, "if the story is true" in my original post (or whichever post I said that in...). I did consider the fact that the threat may have been to simply scare the victims. However, I say that doesn't matter. The robbers should not have broken in, and they should not have had knives on them, and they should not have threatened to rape anyone. Whatever happened to them as a result is their fault. My comments are based on what I read, and yes, I do realize that there's possibly more to the story than what I saw in the article. I'm just saying that, assuming everything happened the way it did in the article, then The Doctor was not in the wrong.
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Moreover, on the question of "was it excessive" to which I said yes, how do you get more excessive than killing someone? Moreso, only two of the burglars were actually armed, according to the article. That might account for the two who were killed, but what of the third? So many details unknown here. Accident vs. intent is once again only hypothetical.
In the chance that this noble vision you have all created in your heads is true, he deserves maybe SOME leniency. But not enough to avoid jail time altogether. My previous post summarizes all those thoughts.
I hope I have made myself clear. If not, too bad... I can't get any more explicit than this.
I don't know, it could get a lot worse than a simple kill... he could have went into a rage and stabbed the corpses a hundred times on the ground or done even worse than that. We don't know whether he meant to kill them or not. Like you said, there's the issue of accident VS. intent. Keep in mind that one of the dead ones died from a cut to the leg. That doesn't sound like an "intent to kill" cut. In my opinion, it doesn't matter in this case. The burglars were in the wrong, Doctor didn't know if they were serious or not in their threats, two burglars died.
Now seriously, I don't want this thing to turn into a flame war. I don't expect you to agree with me. I'm just reacting to your comments.
The End
THAT'S DANNY. His hometown is New Orleans.
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you scumbag!
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