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| DarkZero 368th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):If you've played SvC come here...."
, posted Mon 13 Oct 02:47
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OK this is a post to know what will you change for a SvC 2 game. No this is not a character post since here everyone wish to see his character in and those are never ending story...just what will you change in the technical part and in the game system itself.
I haven't played SvC, but I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say that what I'd like to see in SvC2 is a game system that's more subtle and has a lesser effect on the gameplay. The real focus of a crossover game should be the characters, not the fighting gimmick. If they MUST add something to make it different from the classic, gimmick-less Street Fighter II gameplay, then they should make it something subtle like Just Defend, not something that I'm going to see six billion posts about like Guard Cancel Front Step.
Exceeds are a great example of what I'm talking about. They're certainly a gimmick, but they're a subtle gimmick like Just Defend or the funky power meters in LB2, not an overwhelming gimmick like GCFS, the LB2 parry button, or strikers. Exceeds are a part of the game, not what defines it, and that's how the game system in a crossover game should work.
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| luisinan 501th Post
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| "Re(2):If you've played SvC come here...." , posted Mon 13 Oct 04:34
Argh? But what is there left? Maybe I'm getting sick of fighting games. Or I don't know.
I agree and disagree with DZ's comment that crossover games should be about the characters and less about the gameplay gimmicks. The thing is, that I'm getting tired of the same old gameplay. Simultaneously, the problem is that it's real difficult to create new gameplay that isn't abuseable but is exciting. Hrm. Here's a few random ideas...
1. Shin Characters + Extreme Character Selection. In the next SvC or CvS or whatever, I want the default roster to be composed of 'shin' characters. That is, the default characters will have their best, but most balanced version of themselves in the game. That means no missing specials/supers but also no BS super priority. And on top of that, I want older versions of characters to be selectable through a code. Like in ST and KOF 98. And guess what, this would produce the maximum probability of a balanced game because if default Bison sucks, you could choose ST/A1/A2/A3 Bison. Etc. etc. etc.
2. No grooves + 'Extreme' Parries and Gaurd Defending. No grooves, every gimmick is in the default game engine. You can pick running or dashing, rolling or dodging. But you get parrying and GD'ing automatically. And by 'extreme' parrying and GD'ing, I mean that both techniques are very easy to perform but always require super meter and are a little tougher to use to retaliate. That is, it will be very easy to parry, but it will take up super meter and you will have to be extra picky on when to use it.
3. Super meter. I'm tired of the run of the mill super meters. Think of something knew SNKP/Capcom.
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| trufenix
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| "SvC Improvements" , posted Mon 13 Oct 07:10:
Well, I can't really see a problem with the cast as it is, except maybe Riot Iori, since he's been in EVERY crossover game since this thing got started. Besides which, if they do a sequel, they will probably include all of these chars, and just add more, which'd satisfy all the haters.
I'd like to see the gcd system limited in some fashion, maybe not removed altogether, but it definately needs to be less effective than it is currently.
Likewise, I think they need to tweak MAX mode a lot, maybe scrap it altogether in favor of a system that all characters can benefit from, and not just half of them. It's obvious at this point totally "custom combo" system's will never work, I'd suggest something along the lines of the MvC2 DHC, or SFEX canceling system, where more realistic restrictions can be put in place.
Personally, I think rolling, dodging, sliding and whatevering have been done to death over the course of every kof since 96, and both cvs'. If they are afraid of making the game to projectile friendly, they need to make a new solution. GCD to me was a step in the right direction, but their implementation was poor at best since it can be used to abuse all attacks, and not just ranged cheese.
I do however think the game could benefit from a short jump, or hop, and maybe some sort of parry / jd solution, but even then, I don't think you should be offering up too many guaranteed situations, or that it should be totally free.
Also think 1 on 1 is just fine, don't risk hosing up the balance on a team mode, and don't risk alienating characters with a tag mode.
Personally, I think if they'd balanced the GCD system and added some sort of combo damage scaing this game would've been more of a hit. It's the only inherent flaws the thing has.
-F.
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| TiamatRoar 512th Post
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| "Re(1):If you've played SvC come here...." , posted Mon 13 Oct 10:35
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OK this is a post to know what will you change for a SvC 2 game. No this is not a character post since here everyone wish to see his character in and those are never ending story...just what will you change in the technical part and in the game system itself.
Get rid of or seriously tone down guard cancelling. Ditto for max mode (maybe make your super bar go back to zero or something after it's over, not level 2)
Possibly a0dd in limited air-blocking (a la SFA3, as opposed to MvC2).
Not sure about rolls.
Not sure about team mode, but if that's the case, then there should be no ratio system (also, have the team mates watch from the background like in old KOFs).
*shrug* When I think about it, even with all those changes, it would probably be ho-hum unless some more interesting characters (and by interesting, I mean movesets and playstyles that are really different from the norm) were added to the roster and also reasonably balanced so that you can enjoy that interesting gameplay without dominating too much or sucking too much (SvC's Zero or CvS2's Kyosuke, anyone?). This crossover gimic is getting really tired by now.
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| Jason
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| "Re(1):If you've played SvC come here...." , posted Mon 13 Oct 11:40
some new hit sound effects would be nice. Yeah, it's a small thing, but this is probably the first fighting game I've ever played in which I actually noticed 'hey, that hit sound sucks'
Guard step should, of course, be toned down to cvs2 parry type levels. I'm talking more meter to do, less invincibility time, no cancelling until you're done dashing, the works. I hate that crap.
Throws need to be powered back up. whiff -> lose meter? Range of a pixel or two? As if guard stepping didn't make it hard enough to mount any sort of offensive. And what the hell's up with hugo's command grabs?
add rolling, short jump, some sort of added mobility move. Mebbe it's just me, but it seems that very few characters have the speed (both walking and attack) nevessary to get in effectivly. Yeah yeah, snk specials are generally very safe and whatnot, so it's probably just me being used to the more pokey capcom style.
1 sdm per match? I mean . . . eh?
Umm and some other stuff . . . I dunno.
-Jason
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