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|  "Re(3):About Hyper Street Fighter II"
, posted Sun 28 Sep 20:17:
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What I do not get is this going to be balanced, or even more, much of a difference in how you can select multiple versions?
In general the game has a big potential for being broken, since you can pretty much throw off all the balance work that was done for Super Turbo.
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I mean why would I choose classic Ryu v.s Super/Turbo Ryu who has a super fireball? Obviously you will pick the version with more moves.
Likewise, what major differences are there really? Granted it has been years, but Ryu is still Ryu with the same old dragon punch, fireball, and hurricane kick except he got a super fireball in the later revisions. How else can they be different?
A lot of things can be different. The sprites can be the same, but not the moves themselves. Hit boxes, priority and speed of the moves can change between versions. I mean, it took Capcom several revisions of SF2 to come up with a game as balanced as Super Turbo (except maybe for Old Sagat).
In Super Turbo, you can select either the regular, Super Turbo version (New) or the Super SF2 version (Old), which has no super; yet, every Sagat player will pick Old Sagat instead of New Sagat. Why? Better moves. New Sagat may have a super, but Old Sagat's Tiger Shots are faster and with less recovery, making him a fortress with a defense that is very hard to penetrate. Now, combine this with the fact that Sagat's Tiger Uppercut hits once instead of New Sagat's multihit uppercut, meaning that Old Sagat doesn't has to worry about deep uppercuts to make full damage, and can make full damage when trading as well. To put things in a few words, even the Japanese consider Old Sagat to be cheap.
Now, Hyper SF2 can put this on a higher degree. There are characters in certain versions of SF2 whose moves are so abusable that they had to be toned down in the following revision. Guile was unstoppable in World Warrior. In one version, Vega (US Bison) had unpunishable Psycho Crusher and Scissor Kicks. Ryu's Hadokens were so fast in Champion Edition (I think) that all you could do is to block until you die. In World Warrior the Ansatsukens (Shotos) you could not do Shoryukens with your opponent in land since they do not knockdown, so psychic Shoryukens are useless. I believe Chun Li got her walking speed toned down after some version (CE). M. Bison (US Balrog)'s effectiveness depends on wether his dashing punches are crouchable or not. In some versions characters have easy and effective dizzy and redizzy combos. In World Warrior Dhalsim can do his drill attacks only from top height. Blanka's close fierce in World Warrior is so innefective that they simply took it off, you get double damage if you get hit while doing Blanka Ball, and you had no control over the distance Blanka travels with the Blanka Ball. Zangief cannot move forward with his Spinning Clothesline in World Warrior, and the backfist move added in Super Turbo (or Super) was greatly needed to get close. Characters were also gaining moves in different versions, like Ryu's forward + strong overhead punch. Oh, and I don't even know much about SF2 since I never played it "competitively" until Super Turbo in B5 (and I got destroyed by John Choi's Old Sagat anyway).
Just imagine if you could do Guile's Handcuff glitch on his World Warrior version. That would just make the game unpalayble at a serious level.
Jabel D. Morales - VMan of Mana.
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"Re(3):About Hyper Street Fighter II"