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| Cain Highwind 272th Post
 
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|  "FFVII-2"
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Is it just me...or is the series' name FINAL Fantasy.
I don't think it's "Final Fantasy With Exceptions To The Ones That Are Successful Enough For Us To Continue Leeching Profits Off Of".
I don't think it would be a good idea for them to try a 2nd FF7, even though FFX-2 might have made them profit for them to start a trend. They're now pretty much going against what they made the series to be.
Something tells me that after so many Final Fantasy games, Square's now run out of ideas, so they're trying to recycle. Maybe it'll turn out good, maybe not.
(I'll stop raving now.) Only the future will tell.
COMING SOON! Final Fantasy VIII-2 Alpha + International Final Edition!
Seriously though I agree with you especially with how silly it is to have two numbers together like that. And if the're going t make sequels do it for less noted games that can become popular with an update like FFIV or VI.
Though IMHO, If this concept with playing as Vincent is true, just that alone SOUNDS much better than the Charlie's Angel ripoff known as FFX-2. Besides unlike FFX-2 which just recycles everything from FFX, FFVII-2 would be, in theory, a whole new engine (or at least completely new Character models and locations.
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| DarkZero 338th Post
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| "Re(3):FFVII-2 Confirmed by Quiter" , posted Wed 24 Sep 19:24:
It's worth noting that this has the crucial element of a hoax: the smallest possible kernel of truth, i.e. something to base the hoax on. In Japan, Square has recently launched a little promotion called "Shin-Ra Goods", a line of little black items like wallets and such that have the Shin-Ra icon on them. The logo for all of this is, of course, the Turks standing under a Shin-Ra logo with the President of Shin-Ra (the son with the shotgun and Dark Nation... Rufus, is it?) in front of them. If it's a hoax, then it is designed, like all intelligent hoaxes, to make its readers say, "Oh!!! It all makes sense now!!! It fits PERFECTLY with <thing that I already know about>!!!" and happily jump up and down because they are S-M-R-T SMART for putting it together.
Personally, I think that if there is ANY truth to this -- which I'm still not sure about -- that it is going to be a remake. One of the main selling points of FFVII was its graphics and that has made it age a little faster than other games, as well as making it ripe for a facelift. It would also be really nice to have a version of FFVII in the US with a coherent translation, so it's certainly something that I'm hoping for.
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FFX-2/Shin-Ra Goods Bag
Shin-Ra Goods site
My source, the excellent Video-Fenky
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| Hungrywolf 2377th Post
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| "Re(2):FFVII-2" , posted Wed 24 Sep 20:17
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COMING SOON! Final Fantasy VIII-2 Alpha + International Final Edition!
If Square follow's Capcom's footsteps, I see this coming in the near future.
Besides unlike FFX-2 which just recycles everything from FFX, FFVII-2 would be, in theory, a whole new engine (or at least completely new Character models and locations.
If they do that, and name it something like, Final Fantasy 12 are we at now?...then that would be justified. Or they could pull off another Mystic Quest and get another company to produce it. Then they would have a reason to have things ripped off and recycled.
Though Mystic Quest was an enjoyable game. Makes me re-think about the whole concept of bashing it now.
I like Mystic Quest. I actually like it more than FFVII, since I hate FFVII (I did like Vincent though). I'm one of the ones that hates VII but likes VIII and IX. Anyways, about the title FINAL Fantasy, the title doesn't have to be taken literally anyway. I'd rather see something worthwhile like FF VI Remade or finally see a FF XII (that was more like I through VI) than see anything having to do with FF VII. But that's just me.
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| Radish 1701th Post
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| "Re(3):FFVII-2" , posted Wed 24 Sep 20:31:
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COMING SOON! Final Fantasy VIII-2 Alpha + International Final Edition!
If Square follow's Capcom's footsteps, I see this coming in the near future.
Besides unlike FFX-2 which just recycles everything from FFX, FFVII-2 would be, in theory, a whole new engine (or at least completely new Character models and locations.
If they do that, and name it something like, Final Fantasy 12 are we at now?...then that would be justified. Or they could pull off another Mystic Quest and get another company to produce it. Then they would have a reason to have things ripped off and recycled.
Though Mystic Quest was an enjoyable game. Makes me re-think about the whole concept of bashing it now.
I like Mystic Quest. I actually like it more than FFVII, since I hate FFVII (I did like Vincent though). I'm one of the ones that hates VII but likes VIII and IX. Anyways, about the title FINAL Fantasy, the title doesn't have to be taken literally anyway. I'd rather see something worthwhile like FF VI Remade or finally see a FF XII (that was more like I through VI) than see anything having to do with FF VII. But that's just me.
Didn't some guy from Square (I'm thinking Hironobu Sakaguchi but I'm not sure) say that "Final Fantasy" just sounded cool to the developers and it didn't mean anything?
I also agree. FFVII is way overrated. I'm not saying it's not a good game (I liked it a lot) but there are still kids making geocities pages about Sephiroth, bumping FFVII on gamefaqs and proclaiming it the greatest RPG in history. I'd love a FFVI remake, although it would be a bit weird seeing the characters like that. Maybe they could use a similar system with a new graphics engine or something. Either way I think it’s impossible since they can’t use the characters because Amano owns the license to them or something (I heard this was the reason that there were no characters that predate FFVII in Kingdom Hearts but I could certainly be wrong about this).
And I also think people are too harsh on Mystic Quest. It was supposed to be a simple pretty RPG to inundate stupid Americans into the genre and it succeeded at that. I had more fun playing that then some newer RPGs that are just needlessly long and boring (Wild Arms 3 for instance).
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| DarkZero 338th Post
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| "Re(3):FFVII-2 Confirmed by Quiter" , posted Wed 24 Sep 21:03
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Is it just me...or is the series' name FINAL Fantasy.
I don't think it's "Final Fantasy With Exceptions To The Ones That Are Successful Enough For Us To Continue Leeching Profits Off Of".
I don't think it would be a good idea for them to try a 2nd FF7, even though FFX-2 might have made them profit for them to start a trend. They're now pretty much going against what they made the series to be.
I know! The whole "FINAL Fantasy" thing is, like, so totally misleading. I wish they could be honest and sensible like other Japanese companies are. And really, isn't it just more fun when they're truthful? I mean, Bubblegum Crisis had to be THE BEST treatise on the sad state of the current Japanese bubblegum industry EVAR. And Devil May Cry! A team of researchers spending long hours over a period of multiple weeks painstakingly finding out if devils really cry. How intriguing and not boring! And Neon Genesis Evangelion! That was the best show about neon genesises evangelioning themselves in the history of the world! And I especially liked the frequent use of actual neon in the show, because it would've really sucked if not one minute of the entire show featured any sort of neon, be it the color or the gas (both of which, thankfully, made it into the show).
But all sarcasm aside, there really is a reason why it's called "Final Fantasy". It may not be readily apparent just from hearing the name, but if you play the games long enough, you eventually become aware of its true meaning: Gamers are too goddamn retarded to buy good games that aren't named "Final Fantasy". Have you played Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Lunar, Disgaea, and Suikoden 3? Yes? Then congratulations, you're the newest member of the 6 Gamer Club, the club where you and the five other people that have played those games can come together and throw yourselves a pity party, because you're the only gamers on Earth with any taste. If there was a female among you, you could breed a new generation of gamers that actually buy games that aren't named "Final Fantasy" or "Grand Theft Auto", but alas, there is not.
The day that Europeans and North Americans buy an RPG in double digit numbers that isn't called "Final Fantasy <extraneous collection of words and numbers here>" is the day the franchise dies.
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| DarkZero 339th Post
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| "Re(4):FFVII-2" , posted Wed 24 Sep 21:50
I hate to clog the thread with my posts in ways similar to those that I have recently criticized, but when a question is asked and I know the answer, I see no reason not to answer it.
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Either way I think it’s impossible since they can’t use the characters because Amano owns the license to them or something (I heard this was the reason that there were no characters that predate FFVII in Kingdom Hearts but I could certainly be wrong about this).
Tetsuya Nomura was deeply involved with Kingdom Hearts, going beyond its character designs and into its production. This is the usual reason given for why Kingdom Hearts focused almost exclusively on Tetsuya Nomura characters like those from FFVII, VIII, and X, but not I-VI or IX. It also probably didn't help that including characters from I-VI would've confused newer Square fans about as much as if they had included Bushido Blade or Bouncer characters in the game, as well as the fact that FFIX's characters just aren't very popular. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad game, but I regularly see Cloud, Squall, and Sephiroth avatars on web boards, yet can't think of the last time I saw a Zidane or Kuja avatar. For some reason the FFIX characters just aren't as enduringly popular as the Nomura characters are.
The whole "Amano owns the characters" thing is, as far as I know, just conjecture, as well as the complete opposite of how copyright laws and standard contracts work in both Japan and the rest of the developed world.
Freeter:
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It was supposed to be a simple pretty RPG to inundate stupid Americans into the genre and it succeeded at that.
Didn't FF8 do that?
It just wouldn't be a Final Fantasy thread without entire posts devoted to insulting whichever FF game a certain poster didn't like. Thank you for fulfilling our traditional obligations, Freeter. In other news, FFIX was a game designed for asylum inmates, furries, and dudes with mono-eye fetishes. YOU KNOW IT!
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| TiamatRoar 498th Post
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| "Re(4):FFVII-2 Confirmed by Quiter" , posted Wed 24 Sep 23:27
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Is it just me...or is the series' name FINAL Fantasy.
I don't think it's "Final Fantasy With Exceptions To The Ones That Are Successful Enough For Us To Continue Leeching Profits Off Of".
I don't think it would be a good idea for them to try a 2nd FF7, even though FFX-2 might have made them profit for them to start a trend. They're now pretty much going against what they made the series to be.
I know! The whole "FINAL Fantasy" thing is, like, so totally misleading. I wish they could be honest and sensible like other Japanese companies are. And really, isn't it just more fun when they're truthful? I mean, Bubblegum Crisis had to be THE BEST treatise on the sad state of the current Japanese bubblegum industry EVAR. And Devil May Cry! A team of researchers spending long hours over a period of multiple weeks painstakingly finding out if devils really cry. How intriguing and not boring! And Neon Genesis Evangelion! That was the best show about neon genesises evangelioning themselves in the history of the world! And I especially liked the frequent use of actual neon in the show, because it would've really sucked if not one minute of the entire show featured any sort of neon, be it the color or the gas (both of which, thankfully, made it into the show).
But all sarcasm aside, there really is a reason why it's called "Final Fantasy". It may not be readily apparent just from hearing the name, but if you play the games long enough, you eventually become aware of its true meaning: Gamers are too goddamn retarded to buy good games that aren't named "Final Fantasy". Have you played Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Lunar, Disgaea, and Suikoden 3? Yes? Then congratulations, you're the newest member of the 6 Gamer Club, the club where you and the five other people that have played those games can come together and throw yourselves a pity party, because you're the only gamers on Earth with any taste. If there was a female among you, you could breed a new generation of gamers that actually buy games that aren't named "Final Fantasy" or "Grand Theft Auto", but alas, there is not.
The day that Europeans and North Americans buy an RPG in double digit numbers that isn't called "Final Fantasy <extraneous collection of words and numbers here>" is the day the franchise dies.
I read in several places that Final Fantasy is called Final Fantasy because when Squaresoft originally made FF1, they were doing very poorly and if Final Fantasy failed, then Squaresoft would die (thus, Final Fantasy really was probably going to be Squaresoft's final fantasy). Of course, the thing did amazingly well and saved Square's ass.
But also of course, given how reliable the internet is, I could be wrong.
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| DarkZero 340th Post
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| "FFVII: ADVENT CHILDREN???" , posted Thu 25 Sep 03:17
Magic Box has just posted an article about FFVII: Advent Children. The tone of the article, as well as my prediction for everyone's reactions, is a solid "WHAT THE FUCK?"
"Square Enix has announced a DVD title called Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. The story takes place 2 years after FFVII, the once peaceful world of FFVII has become corrupted again, and it seems both Cloud and Sephiroth are present in the movie. It is unclear whether this is only a DVD movie, or a full videogame."
I only BARELY believe this enough to be thoroughly disgusted. For one thing, it just looks horrible. I can't tell if the last image is Sephiroth rendered as a sickly Chinese woman in the game, a sickly Chinese woman dressed up as Sephiroth in real life, or some concept art of Sephiroth as a sickly Chinese woman, but no matter what it is, it looks like crap. And Cloud is apparently either A) a zombie, B) some sort of drug addict, or C) just very crappy looking. And worst of all, if this is actually something real from Square-Enix, it would crush my interpretation of the ending. Here's hoping that this is just a misunderstanding.
Oh, and two new Kingdom Hearts games. One for PS2, one for GBA. Not much of a shock there.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(1):FFVII: ADVENT CHILDREN???" , posted Thu 25 Sep 07:12
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Magic Box has just posted an article about FFVII: Advent Children. The tone of the article, as well as my prediction for everyone's reactions, is a solid "WHAT THE FUCK?"
"Square Enix has announced a DVD title called Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. The story takes place 2 years after FFVII, the once peaceful world of FFVII has become corrupted again, and it seems both Cloud and Sephiroth are present in the movie. It is unclear whether this is only a DVD movie, or a full videogame."
I only BARELY believe this enough to be thoroughly disgusted. For one thing, it just looks horrible. I can't tell if the last image is Sephiroth rendered as a sickly Chinese woman in the game, a sickly Chinese woman dressed up as Sephiroth in real life, or some concept art of Sephiroth as a sickly Chinese woman, but no matter what it is, it looks like crap. And Cloud is apparently either A) a zombie, B) some sort of drug addict, or C) just very crappy looking. And worst of all, if this is actually something real from Square-Enix, it would crush my interpretation of the ending. Here's hoping that this is just a misunderstanding.
Oh, and two new Kingdom Hearts games. One for PS2, one for GBA. Not much of a shock there.
OMG, I go to sleep and I wake up to this? what the holy crap is this? well, the pics looks kinda cool...
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| Hungrywolf 2383th Post
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| "Re(5):FFVII-2" , posted Thu 25 Sep 09:21
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I'd love a FFVI remake, although it would be a bit weird seeing the characters like that.
I remember, back in the days where FF7 was supposed to be on Nintendo 64 (yes, remember, it was what was originally planned...) there was 3 or 4 screenshots of the early game, on which you could recognize at least Lock and maybe Tina from FF6. They were SD but they were cute (not as awfull as FF7) and... Well, if I didn't already have reasons to cry on FF7, the memories of these screenshots was enough to break my then innocent and pure gamer heart. Now I don't trust anyone and I live in a cave with spiders, wine bottles and rotten children corpses buried in the ground.
I have the Nintendo Power with those screenshots (I think they were just a demo of what a FF VII would be graphically). I was disappointed when FF VII ended up on Playstation, but I hate the game for other reasons.
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| Myst
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| "Re(6):FFVII-2" , posted Thu 25 Sep 11:47
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I have the Nintendo Power with those screenshots (I think they were just a demo of what a FF VII would be graphically). I was disappointed when FF VII ended up on Playstation, but I hate the game for other reasons.
I also have that Nintendo Power issue. It seems that Locke, Shadow and Terra were supposed to be re-used in the N64 version of FF7. But then it went to PS and the whole concept of the original plans for FF7 went out the window.
For the FF7:Advent Children, Sephiroth does look to me as everyone has speculated so far. They do need to redesign that one.
Second off, it's a "DVD", not confirmed if it's a game or a movie yet, as many games are not put on DVD-ROMs. I too am hoping for it to be a DVD movie, not a game.
As for that person who posted about the many other games other than Final Fantasy, and that 6 gamer club (sorry, I can't remember who you are right now, deepest apologies), can I be the 7th member? I've played all of those games, have yet to clear them though. I hate gaming backlog. Until a month ago, I still had PSX games to finish.
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| Sensenic 785th Post
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| "Re(6):FFVII-2" , posted Thu 25 Sep 12:29
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I have the Nintendo Power with those screenshots (I think they were just a demo of what a FF VII would be graphically). I was disappointed when FF VII ended up on Playstation, but I hate the game for other reasons.
Me too have them (very cute), and I agree with hungrywolf that they were just a demo.
But since I discovered them when revisiting old mags I already knew FF7 in it's final version, so no disappointments here. And I still love that game, even with the awful Spanish-from-American translation and some argumental gaps, precisely because of its plot and because it introduced me to jap RPG.
But...
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Magic Box has just posted an article about FFVII: Advent Children. The tone of the article, as well as my prediction for everyone's reactions, is a solid "WHAT THE FUCK?"
That's it, WHAT THE FUCK??!!
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"Square Enix has announced a DVD title called Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. The story takes place 2 years after FFVII, the once peaceful world of FFVII has become corrupted again, and it seems both Cloud and Sephiroth are present in the movie. It is unclear whether this is only a DVD movie, or a full videogame."
I only BARELY believe this enough to be thoroughly disgusted. For one thing, it just looks horrible. I can't tell if the last image is Sephiroth rendered as a sickly Chinese woman in the game, a sickly Chinese woman dressed up as Sephiroth in real life, or some concept art of Sephiroth as a sickly Chinese woman, but no matter what it is, it looks like crap. And Cloud is apparently either A) a zombie, B) some sort of drug addict, or C) just very crappy looking. And worst of all, if this is actually something real from Square-Enix, it would crush my interpretation of the ending. Here's hoping that this is just a misunderstanding.
I completely agree, specially on the ending part. That game was great by itself, leave it alone! In these cases is where I agree with Okamoto san. Damn profitable bussinesses : angryface :
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| Grave 678th Post
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| "Re(2):Final Fantasy CGI Demo" , posted Thu 25 Sep 12:31
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The oft-mentioned, rarely linked "N64" FF CGI information and media.
Yeay! Thanks a lot!
I love that people expected N64 to perform at that level. It's kinda funny... that demo ran on an SGI Onyx. I think the look of it, though pretty simple and sparse on details in battle, is nicer than, say, FFX... I miss the clean, simple look of games. I think I prefer the gouraud shaded in-battle characters of FFVII to the textured characters that came later, I don't know why... There's this movement that seems to think the most realistic graphics possible are best, and... well, I just don't think so.
I don't like the way Cloud looks in that shot, anyway. This whole project worries me.
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| Hungrywolf 2391th Post
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| "Re(9):FFVII-2" , posted Thu 25 Sep 19:43:
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To all the folks who think that Meteor destroyed humans in FFVII, and thus the sequel "ruins the ending for you", GET OVER IT. You only had a 50-50 shot of being correct (less so IMO, since I never bought that theory for a second), so stop whining.
I have no idea what this OAV will be about, but I'm not going to judge how it *looks* based on some tiny, somewhat indistinct shots (unless someone can provide links to much clearer pics than the ones on Magic Box). I just hope it doesn't suck.
50-50? I think it's more likely the humans all died than that. Again, I don't care, because I hated VII. That's why I don't care about this movie.
And DarkZero, I'd like to see the model of Richter too. Even better would be Simon though.
EDIT: I meant DarkZero, not Freeter, fixed it... don't know why I made that mistake.
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| DarkZero 342th Post
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| "Re(9):FFVII-2" , posted Thu 25 Sep 20:21
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To all the folks who think that Meteor destroyed humans in FFVII, and thus the sequel "ruins the ending for you", GET OVER IT. You only had a 50-50 shot of being correct (less so IMO, since I never bought that theory for a second), so stop whining.
Actually, what matters to me isn't really so much HOW they're changing FFVII's ending, but that they're changing it AT ALL. As Motomu Toriyama alluded to, the ending was sort of ambiguous and the players were allowed to see whatever ending they wanted to see in it. That seemed to be the point and I don't see what's wrong with that. I don't see why Square, like George Lucas, has to go back to their most critically and financially successful work and say, "Hey, look, there's a grey area! I bet we could fill that in... WITH MONEY!"
I have pretty much the same view of the sequels to The Matrix. The Matrix was a fine movie that didn't leave much room for a sequel, but its creators found just enough of a grey area to squeeze more money out of it, just like the one George Lucas found when he realized that the original's actors were a bit too old to effectively play their characters again, but that prequels left a wide open space... to use as a money pit. I wish that these companies would just realize that they did a good job and move on instead of going back and altering their old works with sequels and prequels just to make more money by telling a story that doesn't really need to be told.
Do you honestly think that I would be any happier if they had all died and we got an OVA about a sickly Chinese woman in a Red XIII costume "fighting the ghosts of Shin-Ra to save his new homeland"? That would've sucked just as much and it would've made similar alterations to the plot, because having anything but tranquil, natural peace on Earth in the "they all died" scenario would change the ending of FFVII just as much, mostly by making it inconsistent and trivial.
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| Ultima 338th Post
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| "Re(10):FFVII-2" , posted Sat 27 Sep 00:16
> Actually, what matters to me isn't really so much HOW they're changing FFVII's ending, but that they're changing it AT ALL.
*Shrugs* It's not your property. It's their's. They're free to do what they want with it (including fuck it up, but I don't think they're doing that in this case).
> As Motomu Toriyama alluded to, the ending was sort of ambiguous and the players were allowed to see whatever ending they wanted to see in it. That seemed to be the point and I don't see what's wrong with that.
At the time, perhaps. BUt Square (y'know, the CREATORS of the game, who have final say in how stuff IN THE GAME should be interpreted) has decided that, in fact, the ending was not ambiguious at all. Frankly, I still think the notion of all life on the planet being wiped out to be a stupid premise. All Square did was take the path of least stupidity.
So n'yah. :p
> I don't see why Square, like George Lucas, has to go back to their most critically and financially successful work and say, "Hey, look, there's a grey area! I bet we could fill that in... WITH MONEY!"
In the case of George Lucas, there was always more to Star Wars to be told (it was obvious RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING - the first SW is labelled EPISODE IV, so it's not like he just sniffed some glue at some point ROTJ and said "hey, maybe I'll make a prequel to the SW triology!), he just didn't have the capability to tell the stories that he wanted at the time. So he waited until he could do so. If he's got the money and the means, I see no reason why he can't tell HIS stories about stuff HE created. Of course, the stuff he's been telling of late isn't that shit hot, but that's because of the way he's been telling the stories, not that the idea of telling the stories has been bad.
In the case of Square, contrary to what you might think, their goal IS TO MAKE MONEY. If they can do that by revisiting some of *their* older beloved works, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK. It's *their* property to do with as they see fit. As I said, that includes fucking it up if they so wish.
> I have pretty much the same view of the sequels to The Matrix. [snip]
NOw this is just nonsense. I had heard about MAtrix sequels very shortly after the first Matrix had been released - it was always planned as trilogy. The first movie was fairly complete and they could have ended it there, but if the Wachoswski Bros. wanted to tell more, and they had the means to do so, *why* shouldn't they? Again, it's THEIR property.
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> Do you honestly think that I would be any happier if they had all died and we got an OVA about a sickly Chinese woman in a Red XIII costume "fighting the ghosts of Shin-Ra to save his new homeland"? That would've sucked just as much and it would've made similar alterations to the plot,
No, that would just be plain stupid.
> because having anything but tranquil, natural peace on Earth in the "they all died" scenario would change the ending of FFVII just as much, mostly by making it inconsistent and trivial.
See above. This obviously never happened. It never happened in the first place and Square has (albeit retroactively) proven theat. Square, for whatever reason[s[ (mostly for money probably), took the path of least stupidity, the scenario that made the most sense. I applaud them for it.
Of course, the actual movie can be a royal suckfest, but I won't fault them for the idea. Meh.
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| DarkZero 349th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):FFVII-2" , posted Sat 27 Sep 01:06
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*Shrugs* It's not your property. It's their's. They're free to do what they want with it (including fuck it up, but I don't think they're doing that in this case).
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In the case of Square, contrary to what you might think, their goal IS TO MAKE MONEY. If they can do that by revisiting some of *their* older beloved works, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK. It's *their* property to do with as they see fit. As I said, that includes fucking it up if they so wish.
So basically, you're saying that I'm not allowed to think that something sucks, or more importantly that something is wrong or stupid, because it isn't my property... but it's okay for you to think that my opinion is wrong and/or stupid, even though my opinion is not your property.
Somehow, I doubt that you're any more consistent than that with your opinions. Have you honestly never expressed a negative thought about ANYTHING AT ALL that wasn't YOUR property? Do you begin to think that something is a bad idea and then say, "Wait, that's not my idea, so I should just shut up," and then do so?
And claiming that what they're doing is okay because "it's theirs" and "they're free to do it" is like responding to any criticism of yourself with "I've got free speech". No one's saying that the Japanese government should raid Square-Enix headquarters and imprison/slaughter the employees so they won't make this DVD. They're perfectly free to make it, but I'm just as free to think that it's a bad idea. The freedom to do something is not the freedom, literally or morally, to do it without criticism.
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| Hungrywolf 2394th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):FFVII-2" , posted Sat 27 Sep 11:38
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Square reused an engine to make a game built purely around fan service, one that sold like 2 million copies in a day. I think we're well aware of the fact Square is out to make money. I think the question becomes are they interested in anything beyond money anymore?
I haven't played FFX-2 yet so I'm may be wrong, but it sounds to me to be better than FFX. I hated the battle system of FFX since it was so rigid. Characters wouldn't couldn't move up if others died (or god forbid were broken) and summoning was just two big things exchanging hits. The Sphere system was a gimmicky way to pretend that characters had no levels. There were way too many idiotic minigames that were painfully not fun. The environments took too long to walk through.
Plus I ended up just using 4 of the characters anyway since Wakka and Kilmari's designs were pretty uninspired.
It sounds like FFX2 speeds up the battles, reintroduces the job system and gives you more flexibility in where you can go. It's a bit fanservicey but whatever; that doesn't make me NOT want to play it.
I don't see the problem with reusing the FFX engine either. What's the point of wasting time redoing a perfectly good graphical engine? I'd be annoyed if they kept using it over and over without innovating, but FFX is already leagues ahead of anything else on the PS2 in that regard. The "Square only cares about money" argument is ridiculous considering the amount of licensed crap some companies spew out when Square's games even when bad, at least show a considerable about of time and effort were involved. If all Square cared about was money we'd already have seen 4 Final Fantasy 7 sequels already.
And seriously FF7 is Square's property. If they say that Sephiroth comes back from the dead and has his stupid duel with Cloud after using the Holy Materia to resurrect Aerith, then I guess that's that. If you don't like it, you can pretend it doesn't exist like I do with the last 8 seasons of the Simpsons.
I have to say I'm a bit intrigued by FFX-2 (mainly because of the job system) and because it adds to the story of FFX. However, I have no interest in FF VII-2 adding to the story of FF VII (I didn't like VII, some of you do, that's fine. We all know my stance on it. One thing I hated about the game was the ending, but I had far more problems). X-2 though, is being released shortly after X, so it hasn't been too long. VII-2 though is being released so long after VII that I'd have to be a really big fan about VII to get excited about it (if it was a game) and as a movie, I am even less enthused. Anyway, those of you that are fans of VII, I hope the movie doesn't disappoint...of course, if you are a VII fan and not interested in the movie, avoid it...
I'm kindof avoiding the second Kenshin OVA myself right now because of what I've heard of the story... I will just think of the manga's story as the only canon, then perhaps I can get the new OVA and still enjoy it...
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| "Re(2):Re(10):FFVII-2" , posted Sat 27 Sep 14:17
Ultima: Of course you're completely right when you said SquareEnix has the right to do whatever they want with their products, as it was them who made it, but we fans also have the right to complain about it if we don't like it or think they're "betraying" their own original ideas, haven't we? Of course we can be wrong about this last part, but who hasn't ever been wrong?
We have the right to be angry when SquareEnix starts doing sequels for the sake of money when the original FF philosophy was that every sequel would be a whole new world every time, haven't we? as Disney fans have it to complain about their recent sequel policy when Walt himself was against it, for example.
Me an Darkzero were only criticizing SE for doing this movie when we both think it shouldn't have been done (sorry for speaking for you Darkzero, correct me if I'm wrong). Perhaps at the end it'll turn out to be good, who knows, and perhaps it'll fit exactly the argument and explain the game plot's obscure parts, but I just don't like the smell of "easy & quick profit" that I'm getting from it. That's all.
And about the ending BTW I, for one, didn't think the human race died because of meteor or whatever, but the DVD certainly contradicts my idea of the ending because at least I considered Sephiroth (and Jenova) dead. Twice.
Going OT, on the Star wars thingie I agree with you that in this case is different because it was originally supposed to be a trilogy of trilogies (at least I heard about this waaaay before any first rumour about Ep. I saw the light), and I even don't dislike these new chapters, specially Ep. 2 (not better than the originals but still...). BUT, at the same time, I've no doubt money was behind Lucas' decision to film the prequels too.
PS: Already seen those "FFVI 3D" vids. So nice, it's certainly better than FFVII's final result, but if some fans didn't like the slooow battles in 7, 8 & 9, boy, this would've get them desperate  Awesome FFVI music selection, specially Dancing Mad, Decisive Battle and the Ending Theme, 3 of my favourites.
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
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