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| TiamatRoar 498th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Okamoto doesn't want SF sequel"
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Did he specifically mention Street Fighter? Since "too many sequels" is pretty obvious when you're up to Megaman X 7 and Megaman 8 and Resident Evil's 50 gadjillion remakes and Megaman Battlenetwork is reaching 4 and will probably go on to like, 8 or so, too, at this rate. Compared to that, Street Fighter finally getting past the number 3 seems paltry by comparison. Especially considering that out of all the sequels Capcom is doing, Street Fighter is last on their list, anyways. They've stated no SF4 until AT LEAST the 20th anniversary. Why would Okamoto leave from anger of sequels regarding Street Fighter if there isn't a new SF sequel coming out? His anger of sequels thus logically probably applies more to all the Megaman and Resident Evil games and all the other franchises that actually ARE getting sequels, like say, Omnishua. Either way, though, I do agree that we thus probably wouldn't have gotten an SF4 under him, anyways.
Of course, on another note, given the #@$@ed up history of Street Fighter's various sequels that aren't sequels, it could also be possible that it could be the "sequels of the sequels that aren't really sequels" that would tick Okamoto off before actual sequels start to. Street Fighter 2, then SF2 CE, SF2 Turbo, SSF2, SSF2T, SF2Revival, Hyper SF2 X or whatever it will be called, for example. Of course, there's also SF3, SF3DI, SF3TS. And of course, SFA, SFA2, SFA2Dash, SFA3, SFA3 Upper.
...whew, all this innovation must really be getting Capcom tired!
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/misc/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
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| Toxico 3188th Post
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|  "Re(2):Okamoto doesn't want SF sequel"
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Street Fighter 2, then SF2 CE, SF2 Turbo, SSF2, SSF2T, SF2Revival, for example. Of course, there's also SF3, SF3DI, SF3TS. And of course, SFA, SFA2, SFA2Dash, SFA3, SFA3 Upper.
I didn't read SFZ2A (or was it SFA2Z?).... It's unusual but with other capcom titles the one thing I do love is that they only make a secuel when they think they can only add a true improvement to the saga (namely the case of BoF games).... Every time I see a rockman game or a sf game that idea escapes me, I'm not saying that such games are bad or anything but it seems.... how do we say in sudamerica??... llega a ser trillado, onda "SF más, Sf menos, da lo mismo".
edit: Monkey... told you that.
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| Sensenic 783th Post
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| "Re(3):Okamoto doesn't want SF sequel" , posted Wed 24 Sep 09:19:
Tiamat: I was gonna answer to the first paragraph with the second one's point, so I guess we agree, then. 
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...whew, all this innovation must really be getting Capcom tired!
As Okamoto says, not only Capcom but all gaming companies (in general, of course) are relying on well-working but already trillado ideas until they get everything out of it, and sometimes even more.
What Okamoto thinks about this too, is that they're getting consumers used to this trillado formulas so they progressively won't allow new ones.
Me, I have nothing against sequels for games I enjoy, on the contrary, I like it, but as long as it doesn't meen leaving experimentation forgotten. If you don't try something you'll never know if it'll work.
PS: Trillado means, more or less, something used in excess, or something too seen.
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How do you say "sushi" in Japanese? :D
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| DarkZero 332th Post
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| "Re(3):Okamoto doesn't want SF sequel" , posted Wed 24 Sep 09:31
Capcom may make a lot of sequels, but they're a really big company that puts out a lot of games, so they've probably made more original games to in the last three to four years than most other companies have in the same time period. Just since the PS2 and GBA have come out, Capcom has made Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Maximo, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, Chaos Legion, Auto Modellista, Robin Hood, Bombastic, P.N. 03, True Cast Sports Fishing, and Group S Challenge, as well as pseudo-sequels that aren't really sequels to anything such as Onimusha Tactics, Megaman Battle Network, and Megaman Zero. With that many completely new games in just a few short years, who cares how many sequels they have? And I'm not even counting Breath of Fire, which really doesn't count as a sequel because none of the games follow the same story or game system as the others.
And Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness didn't exactly fail to bring in new customers.
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| whitesword 1424th Post
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| "Re(4):Okamoto doesn't want SF sequel" , posted Wed 24 Sep 09:58
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Capcom may make a lot of sequels, but they're a really big company that puts out a lot of games, so they've probably made more original games to in the last three to four years than most other companies have in the same time period. Just since the PS2 and GBA have come out, Capcom has made Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Maximo, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, Chaos Legion, Auto Modellista, Robin Hood, Bombastic, P.N. 03, True Cast Sports Fishing, and Group S Challenge, as well as pseudo-sequels that aren't really sequels to anything such as Onimusha Tactics, Megaman Battle Network, and Megaman Zero. With that many completely new games in just a few short years, who cares how many sequels they have? And I'm not even counting Breath of Fire, which really doesn't count as a sequel because none of the games follow the same story or game system as the others.
*Gives DarkZero 800 Capcomist points, but then takes away half of them because he listed some games that Capcom only published, as games that they have "made"*
Speaking of that, did anyone try out Robin Hood?
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| Sensenic 784th Post
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| "Re(1):fighting sequels" , posted Wed 24 Sep 14:43
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I wonder, would Okamoto rather see the same Ryu and Ken be reused in 15 different VS games and never get a single new move because no actual Street Fighter game has given them that?
VS games can't innovate the characters, they can only innovate the system.
That, sir, is simply incorrect. See MvC Sakura.
I agree with Mosquiton.
And I guess (although I can't know, of course) Okamoto'd rather see another original game, not another one with Ryu and Ken
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And I think the topic of this thread was somewhat misleading.
Well, didn't intend to mislead anyone. 
Just told you people about this interview, so maybe someone would find it and link it, since I think it's interesting for this BBS.
And, since I seemed to recall someone making that comment about no new SF without Okamoto, I also wanted to note that probably with him in Capcom there wouldn't have been another SF anyway. And that's all.
And I have to admit to Darkzero I forgot about those "Capcom 5" and all the other games they were making that are original, like Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7, etc.
Mwahahaha! I'm gonna murder someone...
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| Fygee 819th Post
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| "Re(4):fighting sequels" , posted Thu 25 Sep 00:23
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And Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness didn't exactly fail to bring in new customers.
It brought in new customers, but those new customers will likely never bother buying Tomb Raider again after seen how crap Angel of Darkness was. Tomb Raider is also a prime example of how a series with lots of sequels ultimately fails.
Here's the thing about sequels. The amount of them you make is irrelivant. What really matters is if the game plays really well, and introduces enough new elements in the game, both visually and gameplay-wise. So long as those two things are there, people will still buy and love them, even if its Street Figher 296: Super Hyper Mega Turbo Final Omega Alpha Extreme Excitement Tournament Edition. If it wasn't true, then all the Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, and Mega Man games (excluding perhaps X6 which was turd) would've fallen flat on their faces, instead of continuing to sell and rake in the big bucks. Whereas Tomb Raider has caused an uproar with its fans and sold nowhere near as well as they expected it to, thanks in part to it being crapola. Low poly boobs can only keep you popular for so long.
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