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| Pollyanna
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|  "Plot"
, posted Wed 24 Sep 21:04
Well, you have to excuse me, because I don't remember a lot of the terminology used in the game, but it's pretty much about the end/rebirth of the world...or Japan at least. Tokyo gets all messed up and it's like...hmm...a sort of post-apocalyptic desert-type world infested with demons and angels and such. Several key demons and a group of humans are all pressing to give "rebirth" to a new world through collection of "Magatsuhi", which can be pulled from someone's body like their soul (but it's not like you have one magastuhi, you have lots of it). Anyway, your friends all get involved in these struggles and get sponser "gods" to create a "kotowari", which is like a dream for the new world that you need lots of magastuhi and a "sponsor" for. So...you end up seeing your friends/enemies come up with these crazy ideas for a new world that you can choose to support or not and get involved in different struggles for rebirth. In the end...you choose...and of course, taking the neutral, "choose none" path (which is actually the path of your teacher) gets you the best ending.
Of course, that's a very vague description that a stuck-up Megaten fan would berate me about, but it gives you an idea. The settings are all interesting areas in Tokyo, the music is GREAT and the enemies, of course are awesome. It's got a really interesting fight system, too, but I won't bother going into detail unless someone asks.
It was a really excellent game, though. Definitely.
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| iggy 1714th Post
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|  "Re(1):Mmmmhhh..."
, posted Thu 25 Sep 03:31:
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Hey my dear Iggy, can you explain what kind of game is this Shin Megami Tensei? RPG? Action? Fighter? adventure? I want to know (Yeah, I'm too lazy to do proper research), I'm intrigued by this Dante Crossover.
Also, what's the deal behind Botkai and Megaman Exe? another crossover?
Shin megami tensei is a RPG where... Well, actually, I never played the game itself, only the gaidens (the Persona series and Soulhackers). The gaidens are mostly about young hip people getting involved in some occult thing, and if you pass this first (difficult) problem, it's actually quite fun. You fight devils (which have many different alignements a la ADD, law/neutral/Chaos/ec) and you can talk to them to convince them to join you, then you can make them fusion to create more powerfull demons. In Persona, you equip the demons and they are the magic you use, in Soulhacker they join your party as regular character, but I don't know in ShinMegaten.
...Sorry for not beeing more specific about it.
Bokura no Taiô is a game made by Konami, and the main character will make a cameo appearance in Rockman EXE 4 (if I get it well, instead of fighting a character named ****, you meet a character who is the hero of Bokutai. he's more of a bonus and shouldn't be involved in the scenario).
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fill me in my dear Iggy.
Be carefull with what you say, these are dangerous words to say to me.
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| Radish 1702th Post
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| "Re(2):Mmmmhhh..." , posted Thu 25 Sep 05:05
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Hey my dear Iggy, can you explain what kind of game is this Shin Megami Tensei? RPG? Action? Fighter? adventure? I want to know (Yeah, I'm too lazy to do proper research), I'm intrigued by this Dante Crossover.
Also, what's the deal behind Botkai and Megaman Exe? another crossover?
Shin megami tensei is a RPG where... Well, actually, I never played the game itself, only the gaidens (the Persona series and Soulhackers). The gaidens are mostly about young hip people getting involved in some occult thing, and if you pass this first (difficult) problem, it's actually quite fun. You fight devils (which have many different alignements a la ADD, law/neutral/Chaos/ec) and you can talk to them to convince them to join you, then you can make them fusion to create more powerfull demons. In Persona, you equip the demons and they are the magic you use, in Soulhacker they join your party as regular character, but I don't know in ShinMegaten.
...Sorry for not beeing more specific about it.
Bokura no Taiô is a game made by Konami, and the main character will make a cameo appearance in Rockman EXE 4 (if I get it well, instead of fighting a character named ****, you meet a character who is the hero of Bokutai. he's more of a bonus and shouldn't be involved in the scenario).
fill me in my dear Iggy.
Be carefull with what you say, these are dangerous words to say to me.
SMT was a Super Famicom game that was released in the '90s. You recruit demons just like in Soul Hacker (I think; I have played SMT but not SH) and they sit around in your Pocket PC until you summon them and they fight in your party. You get some human party members and they can use magic but you can't (you are the only one that can summon demons.)
The gaidens tend to have a bit more structured plot going on while the first SMT at least was a lot of wandering around until you ran into an event. Also you walked around in 3D "squares." It's like Space Hulk or the early Wizardry games if you’ve ever played those. Depending on the actions you take throughout the game you either go down the Law, Chaos (both of which are supposed to be bad it seems) or Neutral. I think this just affects the ending but it probably influences your demon contracts as well.
Also Japan is nuked in the early party of the game because old testament God (law) is pissed that some Japanese guy (choas) has started summoning Demons and he has Thor pretend to be the American ambassador who sets off our nukes at Tokyo, which sparks the end of the world (which makes no sense for several reasons.) After that the rest of the game takes place in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Basically they threw a bunch of different mythologies together and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. SMT2 I'm pretty sure is a direct sequel that takes place in the future after SMT. Not sure what SMT3 is.
Oh and SMT fans are generally the most elitist and snobish on the Internet as far as videogame fans go.
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| Pollyanna
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|  "Re(3):Mmmmhhh..."
, posted Thu 25 Sep 07:46
Yes, dealing with Megaten fans can be difficult. I thought I was one, but I was chewed up and spit out like a piece of trash.
Shin Megaten 3 doesn't have the 3D dungeons like the other games, but it might as wlel, because you're still running around in corridors. It's majorly gamplay based. Not that there isn't plot, but it's not the driving force. Most of the time, the characters just talk to each other in cinemas.
There's no summoning in SMT3, either. Your team is just made of demons that you either made by combining demons or recruited through negotiation. In the battles, you give all commands and then let it go, which is interesting, because it works on a sort of "point" system rather than turns. The fast still go first, but instead of just having 4 characters (which you do), you have 4 POINTS. So...if you do anything, exept pass, you lose a point. If you pass, you lose half a point. If you hit an enemy's weakness, you gain half a point. If you hit an enemy's strong point, you lose a point. Miss a group of 4 enemies and your turn is over. Neat idea...
I guess I said that a bit unclearly, though.."Half a point" is really essentially like a full point, because you can do anything with a half, it's just that if you wait again, you'll use it up.
Ahhhahaha...and I LOVE the crazy heavy metal battle music. BEST BATTLE THEMES EVER.
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| Radish 1704th Post
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| "Re(4):Mmmmhhh..." , posted Thu 25 Sep 12:23:
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Yes, dealing with Megaten fans can be difficult. I thought I was one, but I was chewed up and spit out like a piece of trash.
Likewise, although my exile was out of personal choice.
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Shin Megaten 3 doesn't have the 3D dungeons like the other games, but it might as wlel, because you're still running around in corridors. It's majorly gamplay based. Not that there isn't plot, but it's not the driving force. Most of the time, the characters just talk to each other in cinemas.
There's no summoning in SMT3, either. Your team is just made of demons that you either made by combining demons or recruited through negotiation. In the battles, you give all commands and then let it go, which is interesting, because it works on a sort of "point" system rather than turns. The fast still go first, but instead of just having 4 characters (which you do), you have 4 POINTS. So...if you do anything, exept pass, you lose a point. If you pass, you lose half a point. If you hit an enemy's weakness, you gain half a point. If you hit an enemy's strong point, you lose a point. Miss a group of 4 enemies and your turn is over. Neat idea...
I guess I said that a bit unclearly, though.."Half a point" is really essentially like a full point, because you can do anything with a half, it's just that if you wait again, you'll use it up.
Ahhhahaha...and I LOVE the crazy heavy metal battle music. BEST BATTLE THEMES EVER.
I'm probably just going to bite the bullet and buy the import if Atlus doesn't say anything about this by 2nd Quarter 04. I figure at that point this is just going to fall into the same hole that Innocent Sin did where they never really able to bring it over but didn't say so because no press is better than bad press.
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| Radish 1712th Post
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| "Re(5):Mmmmhhh..." , posted Fri 26 Sep 05:03
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Personally I think this game has no chance of coming over and Atlus just doesn't want the bad press of not releasing a game. Since it's so low profile, no one is going to call them on it like people would if say Square wasn't bringing over Final Fantasy 12. The people waiting for it will be annoyed but no one else will care. It's very stupid because there's really no reason I can fathom for it not getting translated.
I thought I knew what the situation was with all of this, but now I'm confused. What, exactly, has Atlus done so far? I'm guessing that they've either A) Licensed it and aren't translating/releasing it for some reason, B) Said they will license it and haven't, or C) Are expected to license it by the fans and haven't, but I'm not sure which it is. You make it sound like it's A, but a game publishing company licensing it and then not releasing it strikes me as utterly insane. I've never heard of anything like that before.
Atlus of Japan developed the game so the only US company that would be able to bring it over (unless the highly unlikely event of someone else buying the rights for a US release) would be Atlus US. They said they were thinking about bringing it over but released no details as to why they are massively stalling. One of the reasons that Atlus employee was pissed was all the conjecture that the Atlus board members were thinking up as to reasons why the game wasn't coming over, but no one outside the company has any idea and if they did they haven't told anyone.
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| Mosquiton 924th Post
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| "Re(1):Pics of Dante" , posted Fri 26 Sep 12:41
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More events, new scenario, new demons, new harder dongeon(s), and Dante hunts you since you're half demon. I liked Nemesis better...
I've been filled by bigger things my dear Iggy! so, bring it on! OK, I think it would be wiser for me to stop now before it's too late
I dunno, that Morrigan cosplay isn't so bad. Dante looks pretty cool in the game, I'd be curious to see his attacks.
I really, really wish that DMC2 hadn't sucked so much though. Now, the only hope for the series is to do a really cool prequel without "Zero" attached to the end of the name.
If Capcom is smart they'll let me pen the scenario and have some design input.
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