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| trufenix
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|  "Re(3):attention: creative fighting game fol"
, posted Thu 18 Sep 10:38
Fuchi,
I'm not really sure what an adequate measurement would be as far as "stacking up to MUGEN" since I've never really used MUGEN.
Of what you mentioned, UFGE can do wavs, mp3s, or midis for bgm, and wavs for character sfx. It's windows based using DirectX 8, so as long as you have a machine capable of running that, UFGE should do all right.
UFGE doesn't currently have support for joysticks, which is a signifigant difference from MUGEN (I think?) tho you can X-arcade it if you have one of those, or one of those other keyboard mapping utils.
Jaz,
There is a KoF mode, but right now it's more like just bare elimination, there's no correlation between team life bars / super bars, and there's no mid battle assists like KoF '94 - '96. Life bars and super do carry over for the winner appropriately.
Strikers are coming soon, but that's a release down the road at least.
The tag mode has a shared super meter, and assists ala MSHvSF / MvC2, though it's only 2 on 2.
Best way to identify would probably be to just test it out. I dun know how well my words can convey it's abilities / shortcomings.
-F.
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| Jazzie D 2183th Post
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| "Re(4):attention: creative fighting game fol" , posted Thu 18 Sep 13:24
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Jaz,
There is a KoF mode, but right now it's more like just bare elimination, there's no correlation between team life bars / super bars, and there's no mid battle assists like KoF '94 - '96. Life bars and super do carry over for the winner appropriately.
Strikers are coming soon, but that's a release down the road at least.
The tag mode has a shared super meter, and assists ala MSHvSF / MvC2, though it's only 2 on 2.
Best way to identify would probably be to just test it out. I dun know how well my words can convey it's abilities / shortcomings.
-F.
Oh. So, it's basically a five regular round Street Fighter mode, but with characters being eliminated should that person lose. Okay.
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| trufenix
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| "Re(5):attention: creative fighting game fol" , posted Fri 19 Sep 06:00:
Thanks everyone for the responses, support, love, etc. . etc. Responses:
Jazz:
More like KoF 94 - 96, sans the assists.
Bag:
Depends, I'd say it's not very complicated to dev for, there's just not a lot in the way of tuts, so a lot of it is figuring it out on your own / dissecting other peoples stuff.
Fuchi:
The hit boxes suck because I'm too lazy to set them. For the latest chars (FenixRyu, Gambit) they've been cleanly defined tho. It's all in there, I'm just too lazy to use it (=.
Again, thanks for the support. Stuf like this'll keep the project going and getting better. If anyone is interested in actually doing some deving, drop by our forums. We are not many, but we are friendly, and everybody knows their way around the engine if you have questions and my documentation sucks.
Edit: Ama,
http://ggx.sprite-central.net/
-F.
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[this message was edited by trufenix on Fri 19 Sep 08:32] |
| suichi
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| "Re(1):attention: creative fighting game fol" , posted Fri 19 Sep 23:06
I've had a few fighting game characters running around in my head for a while now. Not too many new things, but a few that come to mind.
I'm curious, I've looked at it, and I can't see it in the documentation anywhere. Is there a modifier that allows for a super activation when you are getting hit? And specifically *only* when you are getting hit? I have a super move in mind that can only be activated when you're getting hit. Even more complexly, it only comes out after the normal hitstun is gone.
So A hits B with a combo, B inputs the super motion. A's combo finishes and B's super comes out immediately after he regains control. Is there anyway to do this in your current game engine?
And in addition, do you lock out control from the opponent when you do a super activation? As in, can player A do a super, the super flash happens, then player B does his super input during the previous super flash, and then after player B's super flash ends, both supers come out at the same time?
I've always wanted that to be avalible in a game. Imagine playing CvS and upon reacting to Ryu's ShinkuuHadoken quickly enough, you do Ryo's Haoushokoken and they both annihilate each other and cancel out?
--Suichiro
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| Luisinan 458th Post
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| "Re(2):attention: creative fighting game fol" , posted Sat 20 Sep 00:15
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I've had a few fighting game characters running around in my head for a while now. Not too many new things, but a few that come to mind.
I'm curious, I've looked at it, and I can't see it in the documentation anywhere. Is there a modifier that allows for a super activation when you are getting hit? And specifically *only* when you are getting hit? I have a super move in mind that can only be activated when you're getting hit. Even more complexly, it only comes out after the normal hitstun is gone.
So A hits B with a combo, B inputs the super motion. A's combo finishes and B's super comes out immediately after he regains control. Is there anyway to do this in your current game engine?
And in addition, do you lock out control from the opponent when you do a super activation? As in, can player A do a super, the super flash happens, then player B does his super input during the previous super flash, and then after player B's super flash ends, both supers come out at the same time?
I've always wanted that to be avalible in a game. Imagine playing CvS and upon reacting to Ryu's ShinkuuHadoken quickly enough, you do Ryo's Haoushokoken and they both annihilate each other and cancel out?
--Suichiro
I think that's a cool idea- but dangerous. It would make non-comboed supers very unsafe (which they already are- but more so then before). The hit-stun super also sounds very intriguing, but again, possibly too advantageous for the character who has it. It would stifle aggressive play and foster turtling. But I like the tactical and mind game aspect of both these ideas.
BTW, a form of your ideas has already been implemented by at least Capcom. In 3rd Strike, there are certain attacks where that attacker has a longer recovery time then the character being attacked. Best example is Ken versus Remy. I believe Ken's hurricane kick and certain few other attacks, if they hit Remy and put Remy into hit stun, Remy will actually recover from hit stun faster then Ken will recover from his attacking animation. I've got a few retaliatory supers in there against Ken players because of this (maybe Remy can cancel a portion of his hit stun/recovery animation?) Hugo has worse attack recover animation I believe. Even when he connects, there is a big chance he'll get smacked back. Ouch, that sucks.
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| suichi
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| "Re(3):attention: creative fighting game fol" , posted Sun 21 Sep 00:47:
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I think that's a cool idea- but dangerous. It would make non-comboed supers very unsafe (which they already are- but more so then before).
That's the point. I want a more tactical game where you can't just use your super at the end of the round to cheese a guy with a superfireball. Or if you're gonna use a super, you'd best use it in a way that the opponent won't be ready for. The super activation flash isn't much time to input a whole super within, so you'd really need to be scouting it to pull it off. Or just put it in a combo, where it'll do less damage, but be guaranteed to come out.
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The hit-stun super also sounds very intriguing, but again, possibly too advantageous for the character who has it. It would stifle aggressive play and foster turtling. But I like the tactical and mind game aspect of both these ideas.
Again, I want this to be the case. I want something different in that if you're attacking this character, and he's low on life but has a super bar, then you'd better kill him when you land an attack. Or do enough damage in a combo to finish him off, lest he return the favor and hit you back. This super will not be able to be activated any other time than when you're in hitstun, so you can't use it offensively. But it'll make people weary of being aggresive to you when you have it. It won't work on throws, but it will work either on the ground, or in the air, preventing juggles and knockdowns. It sounds too good in theory, but then you won't be able to do it all the time. Also, during his super flash, you could counter with your own via the aforementioned system. I have plenty of plans to test and test and test more on it to keep it from being unblanced. For now I'm just interested in if the game engine will suport it.
--Suichi
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| trufenix
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|  "Re(4):size question"
, posted Fri 26 Sep 05:57
Okay, okay, I get it! Joystick support is my next priority, I promise.
As for high rez, I've thought about it many times, but the problem is only GGX characters could utilize it. Even the biggest Capcom char (sent, maybe jugg) would only be about half the size of Zato, or worse Potemkin. Which would look stupid and be very poorly balanced.
I do plan on supporting some more eye appealing resolutions, but even then I was planning on scaling everything appropriately so it didn't look so out of whack.
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I wish there was some easy way to test a sprite in game since even without any moves there's a heck of a lot of sprites needed before a character can be functional. Or maybe there is an easy way, I just don't know how to set it up yet.
Actually, you can put a char in the game with just a single frame of animation, you don't need to include any more than you want to at any point. Just build the following:
An .id (with just the dat, ani, and key lines).
A .dat (with the one image, and one sprite).
An .ani (with just the standing sequence at the top, and the one frame def at the bottom).
A .key file (with just =end= at the top).
Also, if you don't want to go through constructing the necessary data files to get a char in game, you can always just make a dummy .dat file with just the one image, and just preview them in the "ufgeedit" utility. It doesn't show backgrounds, but it hs the same res as the game so you can estimate from there.
If you need help / advice, you can contact me on AIM (trufenix), or e-mail me. I know my documentation skills suck.
-F.
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| Undead Fred 923th Post
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| "Re(5):size question" , posted Fri 26 Sep 14:57
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Okay, okay, I get it! Joystick support is my next priority, I promise.
Sweet! You got my attention, at least...
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As for high rez, I've thought about it many times, but the problem is only GGX characters could utilize it. Even the biggest Capcom char (sent, maybe jugg) would only be about half the size of Zato, or worse Potemkin. Which would look stupid and be very poorly balanced.
I do plan on supporting some more eye appealing resolutions, but even then I was planning on scaling everything appropriately so it didn't look so out of whack.
Okay, cool. Personally, I'm fine with scaling instead of "full resolution and proper size" or whatever. I just heard the comment about characters being too small and thought it would be like Samurai Shodown on SNES.
Cool! I'll have to at least give this program a try, then.
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