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| DarkZero 313th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Seems like SvC has already been dumped"
, posted Wed 17 Sep 20:00
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>> Link Here <<
Look at the pics, they definitely look like emu screen shots.
When I saw this thread, I was all prepared to come in here and point out that "No, YOU FOOL, those are just an arcade machine hooked up to a PC", expecting to find yet another link to Neo-Chaos.org with the thread title "Looks like SvC has been dumped". But these images... yeah, those are something new. They're leaps and bounds above any Video-Out screenshots I've seen and it's worth noting that Kasumi looks almost exactly like she does on most of my KOF ROMs.
I think Freeter's right, though. There's sometimes a huge gap between when these ROMs are dumped and when they're released to the public, so we probably won't see them for awhile.
Now the only thing left to contemplate is why the game looks so much prettier than usual. Most MVS ROMs I've played have to have scanlines and such added to remove pixelation and all of those other natural errors that occur in MVS games, but it seems that this game looks better WITHOUT an arcade monitor than with.
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| DarkZero 316th Post
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| "Re(6):Seems like SvC has already been dumped" , posted Thu 18 Sep 04:02
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oh!
well - hell. It's still better than releasing it. I mean - bootlegs cost money, roms are free. I'd be willing to bet that, if forced to buy a bootleg or wait a few months for the real thing, a lot of people would wait.
Not so with a rom.
People should just leave it alone :\
For one thing, these bootlegs are usually arcade machines, though I don't know much about Billy Jr.'s business, specifically. And second, regardless of what form the bootleg takes, the ROMs that you see on the internet before sites like Mame.dk and other MAME distributors release "official" dumps are usually from bootlegs. So he is, essentially, releasing the ROM to the public, but he's making money off of it for a month or so beforehand.
And even if the bootleg was a home version like a CD or cart, I don't see why anyone would wait. These bootlegged ROMs are more than 99% accurate and any copy of them would probably be pretty cheap. The only reason not to buy them would be for ethical reasons or because you really, really want the game manual.
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| Fygee 804th Post
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| "Re(6):Seems like SvC has already been dumped" , posted Thu 18 Sep 12:31
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Not really. By withholding the roms from the general public he makes more money off of the bootlegs he sells.
He sells bootlegs!? I didn't know he did bootlegs, but why didn't SNK sue him for that, instead of just bringing him to court on the issue of having copyright pictures on his website... Where did you get this information from?
Though, he was very vocal about not releasing roms into the public because he didn't want to hurt SNK's business. He seemed quite passionate a fan of SNK.
Well, you had to be close to the Neo-Geo rom scene to get all the info about it. As a member of Neo-0 and later PIGN, we got a good amount of info on the way he works.
Here's what BillyJr does.
Basically he refuses to release the roms to the public until he recieves a certain amount of donations (supposedly to pay for his dumping hardware, but really for his own personal profit). He's basically done just that for all roms post KOF '00. Naturally, he doesn't recieve the donations he expects, so he sells bootlegs of the games he dumps to make up for it. He was pretty notorious for being a bit of a bootleg kingpin for KOF '02 in China, even though he was using the excuse of "wanting to protect SNK" for not releasing the roms. Fact is, he refuses to release any of the roms until bootlegs stop being profitable in his eyes.
As far as I know, the KOF '02 bootleg roms dumped by someone else were from a BillyJr bootleg cart.
Fact is, when it comes to his "love" for SNK, its far outweighed by his sheer greed. If he truly loved SNK and wanted to protect their properties, he wouldn't be dumping the roms to these games in the first place, let alone selling them as bootlegs to line his own pockets and taking away money from the people who truly deserve it, simple as that.
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| Zepy 635th Post
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|  "Re(7):Seems like SvC has already been dumped"
, posted Sat 20 Sep 10:00
Hmmm... After doing a bit of research to clarify the image I had of Billyjr, I have to say I doubt this neo-0 constructed image of Billyjr. I had observed neo-0's actions on the front page and a little in the forums during the dumping of one of the kof roms(2k? 2k1?), and their communications with billyjr were a little less than honourable. The stuff they put on their site seemed to only serve to create a false negative image of billyjr.
The claim that billyjr is a notorious bootlegger is extremely suspicious. For one, he's still a student studying the law, which kinda puts a little restriction in becoming a bootleg kingpin. Secondly, while he admits having bootleg games(which is common in the asian chinese countries), he does not encourage them. In fact, his forum speaks out against piracy and the use of roms as a form of piracy.
He speaks and acts in the way where there is the emphasis on only the technical challenge of dumping the rom, and he is not actually interested in having the rom or distributing it. During the earlier days when people saw that he managed to overcome the early SNK encryptions, he plainly stated in his website for people to stop emailling him, because he did not own any of the boards that he did the test dumps from, and he would need to buy an actual board if he was to dump the actual roms which he has no money for. This is presumeably due to legal issues.
As for the kof 2002 bootleg kingpin thing. I was frequenting his page at that time so I kind of know what probably happened... There was a time where he was commenting on the bad sales of kof 2002 and that it didn't make a difference if the roms were already out. However, he was in fact commenting on SNK's sales, not bootleg sales or sales that he was making. Though later I noticed that his comment was made in error from a misinterpretation of one of SNK's press releases...
He also hinted at who released the roms, but I can't recall confidently, so I wouldn't comment on that area.
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| DarkZero 325th Post
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| "Re(8):Seems like SvC has already been dumped" , posted Sat 20 Sep 12:33
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The claim that billyjr is a notorious bootlegger is extremely suspicious. For one, he's still a student studying the law, which kinda puts a little restriction in becoming a bootleg kingpin. Secondly, while he admits having bootleg games(which is common in the asian chinese countries), he does not encourage them. In fact, his forum speaks out against piracy and the use of roms as a form of piracy.
He speaks and acts in the way where there is the emphasis on only the technical challenge of dumping the rom, and he is not actually interested in having the rom or distributing it. During the earlier days when people saw that he managed to overcome the early SNK encryptions, he plainly stated in his website for people to stop emailling him, because he did not own any of the boards that he did the test dumps from, and he would need to buy an actual board if he was to dump the actual roms which he has no money for. This is presumeably due to legal issues.
How he speaks and acts is completely irrelevant. In case you haven't noticed, ROM dumping and trading is a dual hobby: half of it is dumping, trading, and collecting ROMs and the other half is lying your ass off in public about it. Every emulation site does this, even the nicest ones, mostly because they're being watched by copyright owners when they speak on the web, but partly because they simply enjoy it. Everyone on the official Mame.net boards claim that they hate "ROM kiddiez" that "b3g 4 teh ROMz" and that they are only in it for "preservation", but talk to them long enough and you'll see that preservation and playing tons of free arcade games take an equal share of their interest in emulation, and it's the same way on most other MAME boards.
In fact, some sites have even set up clever fronts for their operations. Mame.dk long ago officially closed its downloads due to "cost reasons" and "a letter from a copyright owner who will remain unnamed" and revamped itself as nothing more than a repository for arcade game information and MAME change lists. In fact, the last time I was there, there was a message up on their front page saying that ALL downloads of ALL files (including flyers and such) had been suspended due to bandwidth reasons. Yet during all of this, all you have to do is login and you'll find a working link to the ROMs somewhere towards the bottom of their huge information pages, right around the ZIP file information. Mame.dk has been crying itself a river and the entire MAME community has joined in to mourn its passing and send hatred toward the "unnamed copyright owner"... and it's all been a huge lie the entire time. This is the way the emulation community works, with a sad, indignant face bravely defending copyrights, all the while sending a wink and a nod to those with enough knowledge to see it.
I'm not sure if Billy Jr. really is the Geese Howard of the Clandestine Pacific Rim MVS Bootleg Trade, but whatever he CLAIMS to be is irrelevant. In fact, I'd say that the more down-trodden and pro-copyright his story becomes, the less authentic it's likely to be. That's the same mask that everyone in the emulation community tries to put on.
But as long as we're on the topic, you can see Billy Jr.'s new round of pics here for as long as they're up. They look like they could be fake, but maybe not. The backgrounds are very crisp and the characters look pretty much like what I expected from an emulated version of SvC. Then again, the two Red Arremers look stunningly, stupidly different.
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| DarkZero 326th Post
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| "Re(10):Seems like SvC has already been dumped" , posted Sat 20 Sep 15:45
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Even if Athena and Arr are playable in the home cart (how did he manage to dump a HC version anyway?)...
Every NeoGeo cart carries both the home and arcade versions on it. The data on the AES and MVS carts are identical and what version appears on your screen depends on what BIOS you're using. MVS carts in MVS systems boot with the MVS arcade BIOS, while AES carts in AES home systems boot with the AES home version BIOS. Therefore, when you dump a ROM, and are no longer held back by the physical constraints of which cart fits in which slot, you can just tell the ROM that you're using whatever BIOS you choose and the ROM will load up like that. This is how emulators like Kawaks allow you to switch between the home and arcade versions of NeoGeo games by choosing a different setting in a menu instead of booting up a different ROM. If the emulator tells kof2k.zip that it's using the MVS arcade BIOS, the arcade version of KOF 2000 shows up, and if it says it's using the AES home version BIOS, the console version of KOF 2000 will show up, all with the same kof2k.zip ROM and without any reloading.
But yes, the new images are probably fake. I just thought they were worth mentioning for the Hell of it, partly because there is the off chance that they're legitimate.
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