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"azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 01:27

I just picked up the first volume of the azumanga daioh manga at suncoast and read about half of it.... I guess its okay. instead of studying english, they now study spanish - so I don't know how they're gonna make all the "yukari speaks bad english jokes" but whatever. and I remember a few months back when it was announced that ADV picked up the rights to azumanga, everyone wondered what osaka's accent would be like, but now its confirmed:

osaka is from new york.

she says "fuggetaboutit" instead of "nandayonen" - I guess the joke gets across. plus she says "how YOU doin?" when introducing herself.

I dunno... so far I'm kinda 50/50 on this one. granted, it was a hard series to translate into english, but I'll definitely pick up the next volume when it comes out.

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"Re(1):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 03:55

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"Re(1):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 04:35

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osaka is from new york.

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"Re(1):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 04:55

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I just picked up the first volume of the azumanga daioh manga at suncoast and read about half of it.... I guess its okay. instead of studying english, they now study spanish - so I don't know how they're gonna make all the "yukari speaks bad english jokes" but whatever. and I remember a few months back when it was announced that ADV picked up the rights to azumanga, everyone wondered what osaka's accent would be like, but now its confirmed:

osaka is from new york.

she says "fuggetaboutit" instead of "nandayonen" - I guess the joke gets across. plus she says "how YOU doin?" when introducing herself.

I dunno... so far I'm kinda 50/50 on this one. granted, it was a hard series to translate into english, but I'll definitely pick up the next volume when it comes out.

You have to be kidding me; learning Spanish just seems so weird. I think we could have figured out that the characters with Japanese names in a Japanese school might be learning English as a second language and make the logical connection that even though we are reading what they are saying in English, that they are actually speaking a different language... They do call Osaka, Osaka and not "Brooklyn" right?

I couldn't find this one yesterday, but I'm a tiny bit worried now. I'm still out on the Osaka thing since admittedly they had to give her some kind of accent or half of her jokes would make no sense. I just wish they'd pick another dialect since I really hate the stereotypical New Jersey/New York area dialects (no offence to anyone here from that area); the whole "How's ya doin? FUGGEDDABOUDID!!" way of talking is like nails on a chalkboard.

I still think the cover is odd. "AZUMANGA DAIOH: The Manga." Yeah I think I figured that one out...

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"Re(1):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 07:07:

I think the only justified change is the "fuggetaboutit," none of the scanlations or fansubs left it as NANDEYANEN, and if they left it like that it would have been weird.

The whole learning Spanish thing is odd, but I would pay to see the Japanese Yukari voice actor trying to speak Spanish.

Edit: its not Osaka, its Texas, y'all!!!!111!

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- so I don't know how they're gonna make all the "yukari speaks bad english jokes" but whatever.
but now its confirmed:
osaka is from TEXAS.
she says "fuggetaboutit" instead of "nandayonen" - I guess the joke gets across. plus she says "how YOU doin?" when introducing herself.

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"Re(2):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 07:21

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osaka is from new york.
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Hey Olivier, what about a French version...
The Marseille cliché...

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"Re(2):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 10:25:

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I think the only justified change is the "fuggetaboutit," none of the scanlations or fansubs left it as NANDEYANEN, and if they left it like that it would have been weird.

Oh I definetly think they should change it to something in English, but the FUGGEDABOUTIT just doesn't seem to fit. I'm certainly not the one to judge since I know next to nothing about the accent, but sounds more like she's telling Tommy from Goodfellas to get of her case than finishing a punchline of a comedy bit. It's also a more masculine expression which doesn't fit Osaka so well. It would be cool if someone who knows about this could say if "Nandeyanen" is something predominantly said by one sex or not.

Maybe it'll seem better in context. I'm going to try and buy it today (none of the stores in my area had it yesterday.)

On the plus side, I might be able to finally get a conclusive answer as to what "Norinori" means since it's the title to one of the comics.

EDIT: I'm not trying to be excesively negative. It's just some of the edits seem like stuff we should have stopped seeing years ago.

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"Re(3):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 11:03

i thought they were gonna keep them Japanese with the cultural notes on the side. Kasuga won't even have a hardcore hick accent

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"Re(3):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 12:46

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EDIT: I'm not trying to be excesively negative. It's just some of the edits seem like stuff we should have stopped seeing years ago.

Yeah, I'm also sick to death of the whole "Lookit meeee! I'm pretending I'm from New York! FUUUUUUGEEEEDDDAAAAABAAAAAWWWWWDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!" thing. It's about as old as the "teenage boy employee character" with the horrible over-acted voice crack and pimples and braces and all that (like those two retards on Monsters Inc.).

I was about to start ranting about the translators treating us like morons for changing the "we're learning English" to "we're learning Spanish" thing (so the characters would relate better to American readers), but then I realized why they did it. It wasn't that we couldn't make the connection or whatever; it was for those scenes where they challenge each other to say something in English... those parts would probably not make sense unless they swtiched to Spanish. So, I'm okay with that. I'm still not sure if I like what they did to Osaka... is she really supposed to be from New York? I thought the Kansai accent was the Japanese equivalent of a American southern accent? Anyway, I know I at least heard Yukari-sensei speak Spanish once... she said "Adiooooooos..." at the end of class. But I can only think of that one example. Heh heh.

Well, if I see the book around sometime, I'll have to pick it up. I know I found an Azumanga art book over the summer, but all the writing is in Japanese, so I can't read a word of it.

I'm looking forward to getting the whole series on DVD.... I just hope they leave the option for Japanese voices. I'm used to their Japanese voices, and I like them.... so I hope they don't totally throw them out.

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"Re(4):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 14:12:

I just got it. I haven't had the time to read it all but it's a mixed bag.

1. They didn't edit out the kana sound effects; they write in an English equivalent underneath. Some people will like this, but it seems like they didn't spend a lot of time editing it and it takes up more graphical space than just removing the Japanese and inserting English.

2. There are no side notes. This means certain jokes are totally different since people wouldn't understand them. For instance the now infamous "Nandeyanen" comic now is about them trying to emulate Osaka's accent and not about the comedy routine.

3. Some texts are dramatically changed. However this is usually ok since the meaning of the joke is preserved. For example in the "Class Outburst" one Tomo is just trying to annoy Yukari and not re-enact the class outbursts.

4. The majority of the comic seems to have a good translation with the exceptions previously noted.

Overall I definitely like it, but I think I would have preferred a more accurate translation with cultural notes to explain the jokes. Plus the Spanish seems odd; one fan translation I saw had the English pronounced like it was written in katakana which I like better than changing it to Spanish.

EDIT: It really seems like two people translated individual comics and then they compiled them all without speaking to each other. Sometimes Osaka talks like everyone else, other times she's talking with "Youz" "Witcha" and other colloquialisms all over the place. Not to mention the incredible arbitrary edits in certain areas and then very close translations in others. Weird.

EDIT2: I'm convinced that multiple people translated this. At one point they talk about Osaka leaving her English books at home for Yukari's class. This is also one of the ones where her accent is super thick.

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"Re(5):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 16:37

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"Re(5):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 17:07

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EDIT2: I'm convinced that multiple people translated this. At one point they talk about Osaka leaving her English books at home for Yukari's class. This is also one of the ones where her accent is super thick.

Heh, yea... It's definitely lacking in the consistency area. As soon as you think Osaka's accent is gone, it picks up again. Really odd.

Aside from all the negatives, at least ADV kept the color intro pages. Love those. And the size is the same as the Japanese counterpart. Thumbs up to that.

Hopefully the second volume will correct the first's problems.

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"Re(6):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 17:39:

It BAFFOLZ my mind that these "people" that are paid to translate comics can't muster a better release than the fans that were doing it for free.

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"Re(2):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 18:01

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"Re(7):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 18:19

I expected this, though some stuff does disapoint me (The Spanish Class). Generally Manga does tend to get more Americanized than subtitled anime as they have to make sure the title appeals and is understandable to the NA readers (Who don't always understand Japanese culture jokes).

Still, nice to have the manga in English and to have it with color pages. And I think ADV can easily have a good transaltion that will please all reades if they tighten things up and go with some culutral notes...

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"Re(8):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 21:31

I wanted to get this, but I can't bear to read it after hearing how it was handled. I'll go back to reading UY over and over again. It has altered references as well, but thick stupid accents are noticibly absent.

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"Re(9):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Wed 17 Sep 21:34:

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I wanted to get this, but I can't bear to read it after hearing how it was handled. I'll go back to reading UY over and over again. It has altered references as well, but thick stupid accents are noticibly absent.

Even with the wacky changes I'm still enjoying it and would recommend people to pick it up. It easy to be negative about it, but it seems like there's a good translator that's working on it which makes up for the majority of the book (the really bad ones are in the vast minority). $10 is pretty cheap and it's still Azumanga no matter how you slice it.

EDIT: I think the biggest problem with it is consistency. What language does Yukari teach? Does Osaka have an accent? Are we translating the background noise or editing over it? It seems to change erratically throughout the book which is very odd. The foreigner at the end of book 1 (the American guy who talks to Osaka in English) is now German which makes no sense because Yukari doesn't teach German so why would Osaka assume she could speak it as well? They need to really get their strategy for this together for the next book.

Like Sabo said there are fan translations that are better and aren't getting paid. I like reading it in English since I already knew what was going on however I can see how someone new to the series might be confused by the constant changes.

[this message was edited by Radish on Wed 17 Sep 21:48]

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"Re(10):azumanga daioh english manga" , posted Thu 18 Sep 15:10

This is pretty irritating actually... I guess I'll still get it since I love the series so much, but I would have been much happier if they had preserved the original meanings / situations. Side notes would have been fine, but changing dialog really doesn't sit too well with me.