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| Grave 665th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal"
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How much more stupid can MS stinking *be*? What on earth can they be *thinking* releasing that RARE won't have Perfect Dark Zero until 2006? THREE YEARS FROM NOW!
Don't get me wrong, I understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, but for crimony's sake...it takes them *how* long to get Halo 2 (the sequel to what is undoubtedly the most popular and acclaimed game on the system) onto the release schedule, they don't have any truly hardcore old school stuff to speak of (vertical/side-scrolling shmups? side-scrolling adventures? etc.), but oh yeah, YOU CAN GET ONLINE TO PLAY TETRIS.
More and more, MS is just looking like a sad excuse to try to cash in on "that big video game craze thingie".
As a guy who hasn't bought any next gen system since the DC, all I can say is that MS is doing some seriously good PR for the PS2.
And if Rare released that themselves, you'd be bitching them out too. Oh well.
I have an Xbox. I enjoy playing games on it. I brought it to college with me so I can play CvS2 and MechAssault with the kids who stayed back at home. It's not a bad system, and if you mod it, it's the ultimate set-top box. And you can't beat LAN Halo for ease of setup and awesome gameplay. Halo 2 will be worth the wait until next year. Will Perfect Dark be worth 3 years? Probably not... but are Rare games ever worth the wait?
Stop jumping down MS's throat about what their developers are doing. If you don't like them or Xbox, that's fine. You don't have to like it or play it. Don't wait for the games. Play other ones on other consoles. Since you haven't bought anything since DC, it's obviously not a factor to you.
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| boagman
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| "Re(2):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Tue 16 Sep 23:17
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When was the last time Rare released anything in a timely manner?
Fair enough, but it's not just that one thing. I would think that, if MS wanted to at least make the XB look halfway decent, they'd at least take the time to say, "While PDZ won't be available until 2006 (and by that time, the new hardware will probably be in play), RARE will be releasing Title X in 2004, Title Y in 2005, etc."
Instead, they're making a high-cailber property look useless, again. It's as if they don't understand that if they want people to buy their machine, they have to make the *future* of said machine look at least somewhat appealing. Apparently, they aren't able to do that.
Pinball reigns. You heard me right.
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| boagman
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| "Re(2):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Tue 16 Sep 23:26
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How much more stupid can MS stinking *be*? What on earth can they be *thinking* releasing that RARE won't have Perfect Dark Zero until 2006? THREE YEARS FROM NOW!
Don't get me wrong, I understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, but for cY 5{ takes them *how* long to get Halo 2 (the sequel to what is undoubtedly the most popular and acclaimed game on the system) onto the release schedule, they don't have any truly hardcore old school stuff to speak of (vertical/side-scrolling shmups? side-scrolling adventures? etc.), but oh yeah, YOU CAN GET ONLINE TO PLAY TETRIS.
More and more, MS is just looking like a sad excuse to try to cash in on "that big video game craze thingie".
As a guy who hasn't bought any next gen system since the DC, all I can say is that MS is doing some seriously good PR for the PS2.
And if Rare released that themselves, you'd be bitching them out too. Oh well.
I have an Xbox. I enjoy playing games on it. I brought it to college with me so I can play CvS2 and MechAssault with the kids who stayed back at home. It's not a bad system, and if you mod it, it's the ultimate set-top box. And you can't beat LAN Halo for ease of setup and awesome gameplay. Halo 2 will be worth the wait until next year. Will Perfect Dark be worth 3 years? Probably not... but are Rare games ever worth the wait?
Stop jumping down MS's throat about what their developers are doing. If you don't like them or Xbox, that's fine. You don't have to like it or play it. Don't wait for the games. Play other ones on other consoles. Since you haven't bought anything since DC, it's obviously not a factor to you.
Hey, MS isn't exactly setting the gaming world on fire. Take a look at what the original PS did to the gaming world: it stood it on its ear, with killer first party apps, excellent (and pretty prompt) third party support, and some killer "here's what's to come" ideas.
Here's MS saying, "We don't have a whole lot to offer, what we *do* have isn't that special, and when we *do* get something right, it's going to take forever and a stinking day to do it again, be it from first party or third party sources."
It's amazing to me that if Namco hadn't released SC2 for the XB, there really wouldn't be much in the way of killer apps for the machine at all.
More than that, though, are the stupid mistakes they make. Sure, House of the Dead 3 is a good idea. Not having a light gun for the game is *not*. Oh yeah, nobody likes light guns in light gun games.
Oh, and no one appreciates a decent shmup, or adventure, or what have you.
"We'll have great games in a year! Or two! Or when the XB3 comes out! In the meantime, buy a copy of NFL Fever, won't you? Please?"
I think not.
Pinball reigns. You heard me right.
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| Grave 666th Post
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| "oh dear." , posted Tue 16 Sep 23:49
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Hey, MS isn't exactly setting the gaming world on fire. Take a look at what the original PS did to the gaming world: it stood it on its ear, with killer first party apps, excellent (and pretty prompt) third party support, and some killer "here's what's to come" ideas.
I don't think any system has had that kind of impact since then.
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Here's MS saying, "We don't have a whole lot to offer, what we *do* have isn't that special, and when we *do* get something right, it's going to take forever and a stinking day to do it again, be it from first party or third party sources."
No, you're saying that. For one, it's a mistake for anyone to depend on Rare being prompt. It'd be like depending on Blizzard to be EARLY. Just doesn't happen, man. 3 years is a little bit ridiculous, though. And who says Perfect Dark is even going to be good? Yeah, Halo 2 is taking a while. So? It's probably going to be worth the wait, especially with Live support. People will eat it up even if it's anything less than great. Hell, my Xbox would have been worth the price of purchase if the only game I had for it was Halo. It's my favorite multiplayer game ever. It sells systems and yeah, for the American market, it hasn't done too badly. Fortunately, though, that's not the only good game. I've been enjoying JSRF, Gunvalkyrie (okay, so I'm the only one), PD Orta, Rallisport, CvS2, Buffy, Indiana Jones, and MechAssault plenty. I'll be getting Otogi soon, and I'd like to own Moto GP 2.
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It's amazing to me that if Namco hadn't released SC2 for the XB, there really wouldn't be much in the way of killer apps for the machine at all.
No, not a lot stands out. But what's there isn't bad. And when it comes to playing online, let's face it, MS is the only one that's really in the game. PS2 online play is pretty sad, and GC... well, I hope you like PSO, PSO, and more PSO.
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More than that, though, are the stupid mistakes they make. Sure, House of the Dead 3 is a good idea. Not having a light gun for the game is *not*. Oh yeah, nobody likes light guns in light gun games.
If you're going to look like a fool, at least do some fact checking first. There is a light gun available, possibly more than one, but I know of one. Yes, HotD3 is the only game available for it, as far as I know. However, there's only a 3rd party gun. Going to trash MS for not releasing a gun? Don't. That's Sega's responsibility. Going to trash Sega for not releasing a gun? That might work, except I can think of another system that only had 3rd party guns available in the US... oh wait, what was that? Dreamcast? Yeah, I didn't hear anyone bitching about how HotD2 didn't have guns.
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Oh, and no one appreciates a decent shmup, or adventure, or what have you.
No, there's nothing in terms of traditional shooters yet, but I won't have you tell me there's a lack of good action and adventure on the console. Have you played Indiana Jones? No? I recommend you do. You'll probably be surprised. And PD Orta is pretty spiffy. I hear Otogi's excellent... can't wait to find out for myself.
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"We'll have great games in a year! Or two! Or when the XB3 comes out! In the meantime, buy a copy of NFL Fever, won't you? Please?"
I think not.
Of course, that clearly wouldn't matter to you, oh expert on the gaming scene who hasn't bought a system since DC. I can tell you're so sure you know what's up, and I probably can't sway your opinion. That's fine. I'll just have you know this. I loved mocking Xbox before I owned one. Blah blah blah, system's too big, stupid controllers, MS sucks, Halo is the only good game, blah. When the Controller S/JSRF/Sega GT deal for $200 came around, I grabbed one. Never regretted it.
I still don't like MS. In fact, I refuse to run Windows... not because of MS hatred, but because I think it sucks. Anyway, I don't like their business practices, but I think they make a good console that has its share of fun games, and Xbox Live is, hands down, the best way to play online. And on consoles, it's pretty much the only way.
Like I said, you can hate it if you want, but you're only depriving yourself the experiences, not anyone else.
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| OYashiroForever 495th Post
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| "Re(1):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Wed 17 Sep 00:16
While I would normally be the first person to jump in on a "the Xbox is a shameless excuse to cash in on a billion dollar industry" thread, this is hardly the way of going about doing it. While announcing a game 3 years prior to its release seems a little counter-productive (particularly since the next batch of consoles will either be out or nearing release around that time), it's not exactly MS's fault. If you wanted to pick on the Xbox's shortcomings, you could point out the fact that the Xbox is only barely leading the "miserable failure" Gamecube in sales in the US + Europe and is getting outsold nearly every week by the PSOne in Japan (also keeping in mind that a good 25% of Xbox owners, as well as PS2 owners, have had to buy a 2nd system due to shoddy craftsmanship and corner-cutting on MS/Sony's part). Or perhaps you could mention that no game has sold more than 200,000 copies for the Xbox in Japan. Then again, you could mention that every major exclusive the system has is being/has been ported to other systems.
To be perfectly honest, though, I've gotten over my Xbox hatred. The system has already failed, MS is losing tens of millions every year, and no amount of gushing by eager "they'll fire me if I don't hock product X" EB employees can change that. In a way, I almost feel sorry for MS at this point... they do seem like they're trying to put a decent product out there. In any case, as someone already mentioned, the X may not be a very good gaming console, but it makes a great set-top box for running all sorts of wonderful hacks. 
Oh, and as for that "no shooters, etc." thing... that would be because they have zero Japanese third-party support. Same reason why you didn't see too many sim sports games on the PC Engine. ;)
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| Undead Fred 870th Post
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| "Re(4):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Thu 18 Sep 00:07
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Of course, that clearly wouldn't matter to you, oh expert on the gaming scene who hasn't bought a system since DC. I can tell you're so sure you know what's up, and I probably can't sway your opinion. That's fine. I'll just have you know this. I loved mocking Xbox before I owned one. Blah blah blah, system's too big, stupid controllers, MS sucks, Halo is the only good game, blah. When the Controller S/JSRF/Sega GT deal for $200 came around, I grabbed one. Never regretted it.
I used to bash the XBox before I had one. I was pissed off that the XBox was getting all these games I wanted (DOA, JSRF, etc.), but eventually broke down and saved up my money. People complain about the controller, but I think it's perfect. It fits my hands great. It's got some great games, and the whole custom soundtrack thing is BEAUTIFUL.
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Playing THPS4 with my own personal soundtrack gives the game endless replay.
I have never liked the THPS soundtracks, so the Tony Hawk series is built for the XBox in my opinion. That, and you get all the HD space in the world to build parks in.
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If you think there are no reasons to own an xbox, you're just not looking. To me, it's a hundred times more appealing than a GC.
I agree. I'd ramble about why, but I just figured I'd say "good point!"
Well it's not summer anymore but I haven't made a new tag yet.
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| Grave 667th Post
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| "Re(5):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Thu 18 Sep 00:24
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I have never liked the THPS soundtracks, so the Tony Hawk series is built for the XBox in my opinion. That, and you get all the HD space in the world to build parks in.
Not only that, the most advanced version of my favorite THPS game, THPS2, is only available on Xbox. That's a good thing.
Oh, and I played the Dino Crisis 3 demo tonight... oddly enough, electric dinosaurs in space don't come off as too ridiculous... the jetpack is fun! Camera angles suck, but that's to be expected... of course, when you have to jump, they become that much worse.
Doesn't seem as good as DC2, but I'm digging it. I'd like to pick it up, but Otogi comes first.
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| Hungrywolf 2340th Post
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| "Re(4):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Thu 18 Sep 09:20
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If you think there are no reasons to own an xbox, you're just not looking. To me, it's a hundred times more appealing than a GC.
That's the most rediculous thing I've heard today. Seriously though, Ninja Gaiden is finally coming out for the X-box, right? I want to play that. And I like DoA3. That's about it, but that's just me. (I'm just mentioning the games I like on X-box that are ONLY on X-box). Again, I don't own an X-box, but that's just me. The system itself is fine, but there aren't many games for it that appeal to me.
Oh, and yeah, PSO is the only online game for GCN right now. But Nintendo did make a deal with AOL that may have to do with future online game stuff.
Of course, I'm not really that concerned aout online gaming. If I play anything online, I play it online on my computer.
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| thebigword
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| "Re(5):Is M'S *trying* to make the XB unappeal" , posted Thu 18 Sep 10:05
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If you think there are no reasons to own an xbox, you're just not looking. To me, it's a hundred times more appealing than a GC.
That's the most rediculous thing I've heard today. Seriously though, Ninja Gaiden is finally coming out for the X-box, right? I want to play that. And I like DoA3. That's about it, but that's just me. (I'm just mentioning the games I like on X-box that are ONLY on X-box). Again, I don't own an X-box, but that's just me. The system itself is fine, but there aren't many games for it that appeal to me.
Oh, and yeah, PSO is the only online game for GCN right now. But Nintendo did make a deal with AOL that may have to do with future online game stuff.
Of course, I'm not really that concerned aout online gaming. If I play anything online, I play it online on my computer.
i'd have to agree with the wolf. I have a friend who owns and XBOX, and he just loves it. I've played games on it several times, but there hasn't been one game that has appealed to me, or made me shit my pants. There have been a couple of games that had my interest (JSRF, Star Wars: KOTOR), but they don't make me want to buy the system, especially when I know some games are coming to the pc(and a lot of XBOX games do), and I happen to have a killer gaming pc. I never like Halo because of the controller, S or not. FPS are made to be played with a mouse and keyboard(accuracy). I did play the PC beta of Halo, and I actually enjoyed it, so I'm probably getting that and KOTOR when they come to pc.
Yes, XBOX has a lot of online games, and the Cube only has PSO. I could care less. I play all the online games i can handle on the pc.
There's nothing wrong with XBOX, really. For some people, the game selection is great, and the controller is great, too. For some others, it's nothing special. I've played many games on my friend's XBOX, and even though they are great visually, I think they are lacking in other areas. But, that's just my opinion. I have a PS2, and a Cube. I like the PS2 because of the huge selection (almost too many games in my opinion, I'm so behind). I like the Cube (even if the selection is small) because i know the gameplay is excellent(mostly Nintendo titles) and overall I think the games appeal to a wider audience than the BOX.
But, none of us can say that one console is better than the other. It all comes down to taste.
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| Omar 278th Post
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|  "The toads!"
, posted Thu 18 Sep 13:10
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How much more stupid can MS stinking *be*? What on earth can they be *thinking* releasing that RARE won't have Perfect Dark Zero until 2006? THREE YEARS FROM NOW!
Cīmon, it's just like with Nintendo. Fanboys thinking that a single game can make or break the success of a console.
There are 2 Rare games coming this year, Kameo and Ghoulies, anyway.
Actually, the delay does make sense. You see, there is a lot of people that belive (like me :P ) that MS is not here to "win" this console war (wich is not possible, anyway, none will defeat Sony in this generation). They are here to establish a brand and establish themselves as a console and games maker. It's a long term plan that stretches beyond this generation, something I belive that MS has actually stated.
If it wasn't, they would have already left the console business.
Still, I was waiting for Perfect Dark for this generation...(wich could actually happen, given speculation about next gen consoles being released until 2006) but then again, I'm still waiting for a Battletoads game. If someone has the resources to untangle the legal rights mess the 'toads are, is MS.
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