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| iggy 1612th Post
 
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|  "first pics of GenSui 4"
, posted Thu 11 Sep 14:03:
At Sugoi
Thank you Fabien!
Humm... The game looks nice, but I already hate the thingie that seems to be the hero.
EDIT : oh, and finally, the in game art looks like crap. Where is the guy of Gensui3?
EDIT 2 : according to softbank, the principal monshô (I don't know the world used in the english version... emblem?) of the game is "batsu" (punishment), one of the strongest ones, but who also eats the life of its possessor when used.
I hate the fact that they speak of the hero as "the" hero, not "one of the" heroes... If they ditch the trinity system away, I will think twice about getting the game.
Legnard looks cool though.
EDIT 3 : Game watch has the same pics, plus the official art of "the" hero (yahari..)
And a short interview of the creators : Link Here
completely uninteresting, "will the game be as good as the former ones? - yes, we will do our best!". GREAT.
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| Radish 1657th Post
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| "Re(1):first pics of GenSui 4" , posted Thu 11 Sep 19:25:
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At Sugoi
Thank you Fabien!
Humm... The game looks nice, but I already hate the thingie that seems to be the hero.
EDIT : oh, and finally, the in game art looks like crap. Where is the guy of Gensui3?
EDIT 2 : according to softbank, the principal monshô (I don't know the world used in the english version... emblem?) of the game is "batsu" (punishment), one of the strongest ones, but who also eats the life of its possessor when used.
I hate the fact that they speak of the hero as "the" hero, not "one of the" heroes... If they ditch the trinity system away, I will think twice about getting the game.
Legnard looks cool though.
EDIT 3 : Game watch has the same pics, plus the official art of "the" hero (yahari..)
And a short interview of the creators : Link Here
completely uninteresting, "will the game be as good as the former ones? - yes, we will do our best!". GREAT.
I agree. Hopefully they will revamp the hero since he looks really lame. I'd have a hard time having to play an entire game with a design that ugly.
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| DarkZero 289th Post
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| "Re(2):first pics of GenSui 4" , posted Thu 11 Sep 23:28
I'm sort of ambivalent about whether or not they should use the Trinity System. On the one hand, it can really bring down the story, even though it worked really well in Suikoden 3. A Rashomon-style plot device requires a Rashomon-style plot and Suikoden games already require a story about warring races and young heroes and such. That's a lot of restrictions to put on a story and I'm not really sure how they could make a new story with the Trinity System that wouldn't become Suikoden 3.5: Special Remix Edition. The Trinity System worked well because of the way the villains were operating and the general air of mistrust and confusion that it created. I'm not sure how it could work without similar events and similar villains.
But on the other hand, the Trinity System is crucial to the gameplay. Having six different perspectives with a total of at least ten different parties (the three main perspectives regularly broke up into parties involving the hero and a new set of characters) ensured that every single character was well developed and attended to, even including the dogs. Out of 108 stars and a handful of additional characters, I can only think of one or two that didn't get any real attention during the game. If Suikoden 4 follows the normal RPG standard of one hero throughout the whole game, then it will be just the hero and 107 optional characters, rather than a dozen distinct parties that you use throughout the game.
Hopefully they will come up with something as good as the Trinity System that still works with the usual Suikoden gameplay. I think the graphics might be hopeless, though. The designs are boring, the character portraits are... well, boring, and the characters have lost their brightly colored semi-SD designs, which has rendered them... yeah, boring. Boring's pretty much the word here. We've seen these designs a thousand times over and they're just not interesting. But who cares about the graphics? Great gameplay is all I need.
Did anyone else notice the costume changes, though? The screenshots show the main character in three different costumes and one of the supporting characters in two. Suikoden X-2, anyone?
That or Suikogears...
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| iggy 1616th Post
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| "Re(3):first pics of GenSui 4" , posted Fri 12 Sep 04:46
* The art has lost his colors since 3 (and they keep saying the artist is the one who did the 1, so I guess she didn't work on 2 and 3). And they already said some times ago that they gave up the "half SD" style.
* yes, it seems to be "rune".
* I can't stop to think to Chris and Gedo, and even the shotakon character, Thomas. They were really great heroes, and, strangely for a RPG, they had a story and a personality, they were not like the heroes of DQ, "I don't say anything so the player can pretend he's me". That new hero seems to be a step back to the bland hero of Gensui1 and 2, and I can't see it as a good point. I hope I will be proven wrong though.
What I loved in the trinity system, except the huge impact it had on the well witten scenario, was, like DarkZero said, the fact that 90% of the free characters had a story, they were not just "I want to travel a lot! - Hey, you want to travel with us? - Yes, it would be fun!" and the character goes to your castle and never ever mooves from there, since you only have 6 places in your army. The fact to have for a long part of the game 3x6 (and even 4x6 with Thomas) gave you the opportunity to raise and get attached to much more of them, not to say create a real team dynamic (for example in Gedo's scenario, where you keep the same 6 characters for the whole scenario, and the 6 work wonderfully well together. It wouldn't have been possible in a normal "one hero" game).
But again, I'm bitching when I only saw a dozen pics. Maybe the hero will have an interesting personality and scenario, and maybe there will be an adaptation of the Trinity System (like Thomas and Koroku (ha!), you walk the game, then at one point you get to play a scenario with a different character before you come back to the main story... That's all I can wish.)
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