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| Grave 641th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Square Enix TGS line up."
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O.O Looks like they're gonna get quite a few interesting games out there. Admittedly... the whole Square Enix thing strikes me as a slightly bad omen. But putting it in perspective... I'm not sure if I really would have wanted Square to merge with anyone else. Enix has some really awesome games in my experience, good artists and good musicians. ^_^ Hopefully all this stuff will pan out.
I want more original games out of this pairing. Square had a lot of exciting new games in the PS1's lifetime... where's that for PS2? Will we get it on PS3? Bushido Blade, FFT, Einhander, Brave Fencer Musashiden, Dewprism... KH didn't really do it for me, FFX didn't do it for me... Driving Emotion Type-S certainly didn't do it for me, and well... I liked the Bouncer, but that's because I'm the world's only Dream Factory fan. And no, I still didn't like Kakuto Chojin.
Anyway... Kenshin DQ looks like a blast, and I can't wait for it... but everything else I'm slightly less excited about. The prospect of a FF7-2, though completely silly, also excites me, because I didn't like FFX at all, and if they could make an old-style FF that felt vaguely familiar to me after FFX, I'd be happy... even another game like FF9, it'd be okay...
blah! I don't know! All I know is that I will probably never finish DW7 so DW8 can take its time on coming out.
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| Cain Highwind 260th Post
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| "Re(2):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 17:01
Definetely agreed. I hate this current trend of FF's done by Nomura, Kitase, and company. I still play them, but they're nothing compared to FFT which is my favorite FF next to VI.
On the subject of FF though. Does anyone else get bothered that Square seems to have this "Artist copyright policy" where characters pre-FFVII can't go in games like Kingdom Hearts because they're not designed by Nomura? Okay, I like KH Cloud and Yuffie, but give me a redesigned Cyan, Rydia, Cecil, Kefka, or Edgar! Or geeze, I wouldn't even mind a newer Non-Nomura character like Delita, Zidane, or Steiner. The only time I've ever seen to break the artist-game cameo trend was with FFT (surprise surprise) with Cloud being in the game. I mean geeze Square, Nomura isn't your one and only, end-all be-all character designer.
As for the TGS lineup. Beign a fan of the original, I would like to see KH2 (provided it looks good). I've already expressed interest with FFXII. I also think Drag-on Dragoon (Drakengard sounds much better IMHO) looks promising as well.
And ever since Square and Enix merged I have hoped for a "true" Chrono sequel with the original Dream Team (even though I did enjoy CC). Toriyama doing the character designs, Yuji Hori doing the story, and Sakaguchi and Kitase supervising.
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2363th Post
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| "Re(3):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 18:44
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On the subject of FF though. Does anyone else get bothered that Square seems to have this "Artist copyright policy" where characters pre-FFVII can't go in games like Kingdom Hearts because they're not designed by Nomura? Okay, I like KH Cloud and Yuffie, but give me a redesigned Cyan, Rydia, Cecil, Kefka, or Edgar! Or geeze, I wouldn't even mind a newer Non-Nomura character like Delita, Zidane, or Steiner. The only time I've ever seen to break the artist-game cameo trend was with FFT (surprise surprise) with Cloud being in the game. I mean geeze Square, Nomura isn't your one and only, end-all be-all character designer.
My guess is that they chose mostly Nomura for Kingodm Hearts because the Nomura series is the most well known FF games in NA and Europe. And it's easier to use those characters to boost the sales of the game in NA and Europe...
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| Ultima 326th Post
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| "Re(3):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 19:52:
Cain:
I could be wrong, but I think the reason why only Nomura-designed characters were included in KH is because Nomura is, I dunno, the producer of KH? The game is more or less his baby, so he puts who he wants in it. Makes sense to me. I wouldn't mind seeing some redesigned pre-FFVII characters, but eh.
Darkzero:
Concerning FFXII, I'm not wary at all, as long as it continues in the same trend of FFX (a trend which started on FFVI, then continued in FFVII and FFVIII, but FFVIII was too big a jump), and not the awful backwardness that was FFIX. I consider FFX to be one of the best titles in the series, and it's actually less flawed than FFVI. It may actually be my favourite, but I'm not sure. So if FFXII is in the same goodness vein that is FFX, I'm all for it. Nostalgia-blinded folk (sorry, but FFVI = overrated; certainly not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, but still, overrated) be damned.
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Also, as much as I love Valkyrie Profile (tied with Xenogears for my all-time favourite RPGs), I really don't see the point in a sequel. I'd rather someone just swiped the engine and used it in another game. ^_^
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| DarkZero 282th Post
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| "Re(4):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 21:05
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Darkzero:
Concerning FFXII, I'm not wary at all, as long as it continues in the same trend of FFX (a trend which started on FFVI, then continued in FFVII and FFVIII, but FFVIII was too big a jump), and not the awful backwardness that was FFIX. I consider FFX to be one of the best titles in the series, and it's actually less flawed than FFVI. It may actually be my favourite, but I'm not sure. So if FFXII is in the same goodness vein that is FFX, I'm all for it. Nostalgia-blinded folk (sorry, but FFVI = overrated; certainly not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, but still, overrated) be damned.
FFX had only two or three sets of monsters per area, tons of random battles, a large amount of important story sequences that you had to FIND in the sequential areas or just miss out on for a large part of the game, and zero strategy. Half of every boss fight was nothing but summoning and using your most powerful attack over and over; Every random encounter for the first half of the game was nothing but change-attack-change-attack-change-attack and the last half was nothing but Tidus, Auron, and Kimahri-turned-Auron, aka The Three Mighty Sons of T.G. Cid pressing Haste, Break, and Attack; and don't even get me started on the way the game parades hordes of undead enemies in front of you that are all immune to cure spells, even though those same undead enemies use Zombie-Life combos on you.
I'm not an Old School Fanboy. I've only played a few hours of FFVI as most, I think that FFIV was just a fun game (not a shining masterpiece), and my favorite FF is VIII. But X still sucked. A lot of FF games have been simplistic and easy, but FFX made Dead Or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball like look CHESS. There is a greater depth of gameplay and strategy in hitting myself in the head with a hammer for thirty hours. It may have taken the character design out of Saturday Morning Cartoon Land and into a more mature atmosphere, but it put the gameplay and the story on the short bus to kindergarten.
But if it's a whole new team, maybe there's some hope for FFXII after all. The series could certainly use some new blood. Hopefully one of them will be smart enough to consider that some of the FF junkies that have been playing their games for years might want a Hard Mode. I nearly died of shock when I watched someone start up Kingdom Hearts and saw the words "difficulty" and "Hard" show up afterwards.
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| Juan 3442th Post
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| "Re(5):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 21:38:
To add to your list, I did not appreciate meeting and having control of the entire cast near the beginning of the game.
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FFX had only two or three sets of monsters per area, tons of random battles, a large amount of important story sequences that you had to FIND in the sequential areas or just miss out on for a large part of the game, and zero strategy. Half of every boss fight was nothing but summoning and using your most powerful attack over and over; Every random encounter for the first half of the game was nothing but change-attack-change-attack-change-attack and the last half was nothing but Tidus, Auron, and Kimahri-turned-Auron, aka The Three Mighty Sons of T.G. Cid pressing Haste, Break, and Attack; and don't even get me started on the way the game parades hordes of undead enemies in front of you that are all immune to cure spells, even though those same undead enemies use Zombie-Life combos on you.
I'm not an Old School Fanboy. I've only played a few hours of FFVI as most, I think that FFIV was just a fun game (not a shining masterpiece), and my favorite FF is VIII. But X still sucked. A lot of FF games have been simplistic and easy, but FFX made Dead Or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball like look CHESS. There is a greater depth of gameplay and strategy in hitting myself in the head with a hammer for thirty hours. It may have taken the character design out of Saturday Morning Cartoon Land and into a more mature atmosphere, but it put the gameplay and the story on the short bus to kindergarten.
But if it's a whole new team, maybe there's some hope for FFXII after all. The series could certainly use some new blood. Hopefully one of them will be smart enough to consider that some of the FF junkies that have been playing their games for years might want a Hard Mode. I nearly died of shock when I watched someone start up Kingdom Hearts and saw the words "difficulty" and "Hard" show up afterwards.
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| OYashiroForever 475th Post
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| "Re(4):FFXII" , posted Tue 9 Sep 23:34
And commence flame war... <looks at watch> NOW! :)
All kidding aside, while there certainly were things that bothered me about FFX (the aforementioned foot speed and the painful, forced love scene), I found it to be fairly enjoyable overall. Would I play through it again? Yeah, down the road... and probably in Japanese. While the majority of the English voices were very good (particularly Wakka), there were a couple of dramatic scenes that I thought were ruined by stiff voice acting. In addition, some of the changes made to the dialogue (particularly in the final scene aboard the airship) rubbed me the wrong way.
Anywho... my question is: what's up with all of the FFIX hate? As one of the MANY folks who found FFVIII to be a total disaster (nauseatingly boring battle system, a story that could've been written by a D-grade romance novelist, and totally unlikeable characters... about the only thing I liked about it was their attempt at making the protagonist an asshole), I thought FFIX was a breath of fresh air: light-hearted, fast-paced, and nostalgic.
Certainly it wasn't perfect, but what FF is? Anyone care to shed some light on what I missed that made this game an unredeemable turd?
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| Time Mage 1621th Post
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| "I, for one, like FFIX a lot." , posted Wed 10 Sep 00:41
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Anywho... my question is: what's up with all of the FFIX hate? As one of the MANY folks who found FFVIII to be a total disaster (nauseatingly boring battle system, a story that could've been written by a D-grade romance novelist, and totally unlikeable characters... about the only thing I liked about it was their attempt at making the protagonist an asshole), I thought FFIX was a breath of fresh air: light-hearted, fast-paced, and nostalgic.
Certainly it wasn't perfect, but what FF is? Anyone care to shed some light on what I missed that made this game an unredeemable turd?
I just don't know. To me, FFIX is my favourite one, along with, probably, FFVI. FFV and FFVII follow closely.
Maybe it's because I like medieval fantasy themes best, or because I love all the characters of FFIX, in which everyone has their own personality, origin and concerns, unlike the worst (less good if you want), FFVIII. Warning: FFVIII rant in the spoiler:
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The whole "Oh, we knew all each other but we didn't remembered" it's stupid, as the whole "love" story and the origins of the enemy, the broken battle and ability system, etc... The only good parts were the Laguna ones, I like that guy! :)
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About FFIX, the only thing I didn't liked was the slooooow battles and
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the stupidly unnecessary new final boss. A more powerful version of Trance Kuja would have worked quite well, I think...
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All in all, I'm eagerly awaiting FFXII, mainly because of Matsuno being behind it, but also to see a FF game set in a medieval-industrial era, like FFVI, FFIX, and partially FFV. I like that era is the best for the FF, just personal taste, of course.
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| Time Mage 1622th Post
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| "This is like an edit, but isn't one." , posted Wed 10 Sep 00:48
Sorry for the double post, but editing destroys the spoilers;
I want to add that Tobal 2 is one of the funnest and most original fighters I've ever played, although Ergheiz was not that great. I wouldn't mind to see a Tobal 3.
Also, another game of the Quintet "Soul series", would be great. Terranigma was a great last game, but I want moooore!
Oh! One last thing! There IS a new Seiken Densetsu in non-portable consoles; It's name: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, for the Game Cube. Same battle system, same evelopment team, same musician (I think)... I think nobody here will be fooled by the imposed title, no?
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| DarkZero 283th Post
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| "Re(7):FFXII" , posted Wed 10 Sep 01:54
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I think I'm the only one who hated the Sphere system. It was basically like the regular character progression in a RPG, but if you tried really hard your could turn you fighter into a crappy mage. It just seemed like a gimmicky way to implement something that could have been done much easier.
I also hated the Sphere Grid System, but I was trying not to be long-winded. I hated it for completely different reasons, though. Have you ever seen one of those game shows where they let the contestant pick from nine doors and their prize is behind one of them? The Sphere Grid System was like that. Eight of the doors, which is a whole lot of doors, do NOTHING. Pick the one with the prize behind it though, and you're in the money.
95% of the time, you couldn't do ANY real customization with the Sphere Grid. However, there was a chance that you would stumble onto a really good combo that would TOTALLY break the game and ruin the fun, which is what I did. I took Kimahri, the variable character, and apparently put him into just the right spot on Auron's side of the sphere. Give Tidus a little bit of white magic and a lot of Haste after that and you no longer need anyone but Tidus, Auron, and Kimahri to mop up every battle very quickly. The fact that I was just pressing Haste, Break, and Attack during every single battle for hours on end made the already boring battle system into nothing but a chore. And yes, all of that includes the monsters that seemed like they required magic to kill them. Even though they only took 5-10% of physical damage, The Three Mighty Sons of T.G. Cid still slaughtered them instantly.
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Plus when will RPG designers figure out that no one likes their SHITTY TEDIOUS MINIGAMES?! I'm trying to have fun; if I want to hit a damn button 200 times in a row I can simulate that excitement myself.
Agreed. Minigames belong in games that dedicated to minigames, like Breath of Fire 3. If you're going to put 20 minigames in your game, that's fine. People that like minigames will like that game. But three or four? That's just a waste of everyone's time.
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Anywho... my question is: what's up with all of the FFIX hate? As one of the MANY folks who found FFVIII to be a total disaster (nauseatingly boring battle system, a story that could've been written by a D-grade romance novelist, and totally unlikeable characters... about the only thing I liked about it was their attempt at making the protagonist an asshole), I thought FFIX was a breath of fresh air: light-hearted, fast-paced, and nostalgic.
I don't by any means think that FFIX was an "unredeemable turd", but I just didn't find it to be particularly meaningful or enjoyable. It was easy, it was quick, I didn't like its characters, and I found its plot meaningless. In hindsight, I suppose that both FFVIII and FFIX were mixed bags, but they were different mixed bags. FFVIII's military atmosphere, serious/asshole characters, and serious-but-ridiculous plot made a game with mediocre gameplay enjoyable for me, while FFIX's light-hearted atmosphere, goofball characters, and just plain ridiculous plot made a game with mediocre gameplay all that much worse. Now that I realize this, I suddenly understand why FFVIII fans hate FFIX and FFIX fans hate FFVIII. Hopefully I will remember this revelation... but probably not.
And seriously, you can't tell me that a Final Fantasy game that I breezed through in 30 hours without missing anything but Ozma and also somehow started a summoning loop that summoned Bahamut twelve consecutive times isn't mediocre. Its sheer lack of memorable, innovative content at least equals FFVIII's tedious, bug-ridden, but still very ambitious gameplay in terms of sheer mediocrity. One tried and failed and the other just didn't try: it's the same damn thing.
FFVIII/FFIX:
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And yes, Necron sucked. Necron sucked very, very much. Oh my God, did Necron sure suck. He was the suckiest suck that ever sucked. I thought I had seen the ultimate tossed-in final boss when I fought Ultimecia, but Necron actually sucked more than that. Then again, I think that once you throw in Greaver, which they should've just called "What the fuck?" in the English translation, they're actually tied.
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| Tashoku Kisune 2122th Post
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| "Re(3):Square Enix TGS line up." , posted Wed 10 Sep 06:58
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Anyway... Kenshin DQ looks like a blast, and I can't wait for it... but everything else I'm slightly less excited about. The prospect of a FF7-2, though completely silly, also excites me, because I didn't like FFX at all, and if they could make an old-style FF that felt vaguely familiar to me after FFX, I'd be happy... even another game like FF9, it'd be okay...
I'd have to agree with you there, Grave. I kinda miss the old style of things. FFVII is the game I thank for me being on this messageboard... it's the reason I still play videogames. And despite that it has started to become out of date... I still owe a bit of loyalty to it. Truth be told... an FF7-2 would be really awesome. ^_^
Square-Enix seems like it would be a good combination. (Y'know.. two good companies merging.) But I wonder how the games will turn out. I have high hopes.. but also high expectations for them both. Hopefully, I won't get let down. ^_~
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| Hagen de Merak 523th Post
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| "Re(4):FFXII" , posted Wed 10 Sep 10:20
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Definetely agreed. I hate this current trend of FF's done by Nomura, Kitase, and company. I still play them, but they're nothing compared to FFT which is my favorite FF next to VI.
On a somewhat related note, is anyone else sort of wary of FF12 after FF9 and FF10? I didn't like the design, concept, plot, or gameplay of either game and FF9 just seems to continue the abundant suckage of those games in every respect. FF10 was the first Final Fantasy game in years that I haven't finished and I blew through FF9 because it was easy enough that I finished it in just a few days. After so many bombs (and many would include FF8 in that list), is the title really worth anything any more?
Hopefully the screenshots and gameplay descriptions will change my mind.
the last ff i enjoyed was tactics(psx). If your only referring to the main series, 7 was the last one i liked. But yeah, i agree. i didnt like ff8 and 9 for the same reasons you just mentioned. Character design wise, i think ff9 had awesome designs (amano's versions, at least). an example would be zidane, a badass looking thief turned into a kid pirate. As far as the ff8 and ff10 character designs, they looked too much like fashion models instead of RPG characters. granted i played ff8 and ff9 all the way through, i was thinking "maybe it will get good" and also so people wouldnt say "you didnt play the whole thing, so you cant judge the game." But i learned my lesson after completing those 2, hence i never tried 10. who knows, maybe i should rent it.
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| S-T-E
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| "Re(10):Square Enix TGS line up." , posted Wed 10 Sep 20:09
I've been dying for a 3rd Chrono game since Chrono Cross, and all I get is the title "Chrono Break?" I'm already disappointed! What about "Chrono Shift, Chrono Fracture, Chrono Trap, Chrono Shatter, Chrono Transfer, Chrono Wave, Chrono Trigger 2: The Direct Sequel that S-T-E Dreams About"
FFVIII fans....I just don't understand you guys. I'm glad someone mentioned the relationship between FFVIII fans vs FFIX fans because I've noticed it too, that each side usually dislikes the other game (well I guess most FF fans dislike FFVIII, but FFVIII fans dislike FFIX more than others), and I just can't wrap my head around how someone can like FFVIII...I'm completely stumped! As for FFX, I hate it for the same reasons already mentioned and more, but was anyone else distracted by the real-time animation for the human characters? They didn't move realistically at all! In fact, they're gestures are like that of a person in a Pluto suit at Disneyland, what with those exaggerated movements of the arms and hips.
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And the chemistry between Tidus and Yuna! They're in love, right? I really couldn't tell, and when they kissed I didn't understand why. I felt nothing for either of those boneheads.
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As for this TGS line up...I'm not excited, or even interested in half of what's been announced. Sword of Mana kinda says to me "Hey give me a try!" but that's really it, and I still don't have a GBA. *sigh* Looks like my RPG drought is going to last a little longer...
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| Shin ATproof 955th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Square Enix TGS line up." , posted Thu 11 Sep 01:36
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FFVIII fans....I just don't understand you guys. I'm glad someone mentioned the relationship between FFVIII fans vs FFIX fans because I've noticed it too, that each side usually dislikes the other game (well I guess most FF fans dislike FFVIII, but FFVIII fans dislike FFIX more than others), and I just can't wrap my head around how someone can like FFVIII...I'm completely stumped! As for FFX, I hate it for the same reasons already mentioned and more, but was anyone else distracted by the real-time animation for the human characters? They didn't move realistically at all! In fact, they're gestures are like that of a person in a Pluto suit at Disneyland, what with those exaggerated movements of the arms and hips.
[sigh]
I like FF8 and I am currently impartial to FF9 given that I haven't had much time to play it...I'm still on the second CD but I like it so far. Actually there is a love/hate triangle with FF fans. FF7, FF8 and FF9. Between the 3 FF fans are split pretty evenly oh likes and dislikes. What I have found people who like FF7 don't like FF8 or FF9. People who like FF8 don't like FF7 or FF9. People who like FF9 don't like FF7 or FF8. I like most of the Final Fantasy games but some more than others, heh.
7, 8 and 9 are fun games both have a lot of pros and cons but you see people will never fully realize that there are things that people like and dislike that varies their opinion on a game. This isn't a hard concept to grasp...maybe it is...maybe that is why this discussion exists.
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| Hungrywolf 2320th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Square Enix TGS line up." , posted Thu 11 Sep 06:45
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FFVIII fans....I just don't understand you guys. I'm glad someone mentioned the relationship between FFVIII fans vs FFIX fans because I've noticed it too, that each side usually dislikes the other game (well I guess most FF fans dislike FFVIII, but FFVIII fans dislike FFIX more than others), and I just can't wrap my head around how someone can like FFVIII...I'm completely stumped! As for FFX, I hate it for the same reasons already mentioned and more, but was anyone else distracted by the real-time animation for the human characters? They didn't move realistically at all! In fact, they're gestures are like that of a person in a Pluto suit at Disneyland, what with those exaggerated movements of the arms and hips.
[sigh]
I like FF8 and I am currently impartial to FF9 given that I haven't had much time to play it...I'm still on the second CD but I like it so far. Actually there is a love/hate triangle with FF fans. FF7, FF8 and FF9. Between the 3 FF fans are split pretty evenly oh likes and dislikes. What I have found people who like FF7 don't like FF8 or FF9. People who like FF8 don't like FF7 or FF9. People who like FF9 don't like FF7 or FF8. I like most of the Final Fantasy games but some more than others, heh.
7, 8 and 9 are fun games both have a lot of pros and cons but you see people will never fully realize that there are things that people like and dislike that varies their opinion on a game. This isn't a hard concept to grasp...maybe it is...maybe that is why this discussion exists.
I like 8 and 9 a lot but can't stand 7. I like 1 through 6 too and as mentioned earlier in this post, wish that some of the early characters would get to have cameos in stuff like Kingdom Hearts. I haven't really played X, but from what I've seen, I don't think I would like it very much. Maybe I'll be surprised when I do try it out...I do think I'd have a LOT of fun with FF XI though.
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