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| DarkZero 267th Post
 
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|  "Eidos Drops GameCube Support"
, posted Sat 6 Sep 18:11
Mike McGarvey, chief executive for Eidos announced yesteday, that the company will no longer publish games for Nintendo's Gamecube console.
According to McGarvey, game's released on the Gamecube have been the least profitable for the company...he went on to comment: "The GameCube is a declining business"
Eidos will continue to publish games on both the Xbox and PS2 around the globe."
In other news, the GameCube outsold the PS2 in Japan for the first time, Tales of Symphonia is the best-selling game in Japan, and Tomb Raider blows. Eidos joins the prestigious ranks of Acclaim in dropping support for the GameCube, leaving the GC with only lackluster bargain bin developers like Square-Enix, Namco, Nintendo's HAL Labs and Retro Studios, Sega, and every other studio whose games rank higher than 5 out of 10 and don't garner review quotes with the word "sucks" in them.
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| Hungrywolf 2304th Post
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| "Re(1):Eidos Drops GameCube Support" , posted Sat 6 Sep 18:37
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Mike McGarvey, chief executive for Eidos announced yesteday, that the company will no longer publish games for Nintendo's Gamecube console.
According to McGarvey, game's released on the Gamecube have been the least profitable for the company...he went on to comment: "The GameCube is a declining business"
Eidos will continue to publish games on both the Xbox and PS2 around the globe."
In other news, the GameCube outsold the PS2 in Japan for the first time, Tales of Symphonia is the best-selling game in Japan, and Tomb Raider blows. Eidos joins the prestigious ranks of Acclaim in dropping support for the GameCube, leaving the GC with only lackluster bargain bin developers like Square-Enix, Namco, Nintendo's HAL Labs and Retro Studios, Sega, and every other studio whose games rank higher than 5 out of 10 and don't garner review quotes with the word "sucks" in them.
What games has Eidos done on GCN??? I didn't know they were giving it any support...
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| Dr Baghead 2520th Post
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| "Re(1):Eidos Drops GameCube Support" , posted Sat 6 Sep 20:17
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Mike McGarvey, chief executive for Eidos announced yesteday, that the company will no longer publish games for Nintendo's Gamecube console.
According to McGarvey, game's released on the Gamecube have been the least profitable for the company...he went on to comment: "The GameCube is a declining business"
Eidos will continue to publish games on both the Xbox and PS2 around the globe."
In other news, the GameCube outsold the PS2 in Japan for the first time, Tales of Symphonia is the best-selling game in Japan, and Tomb Raider blows. Eidos joins the prestigious ranks of Acclaim in dropping support for the GameCube, leaving the GC with only lackluster bargain bin developers like Square-Enix, Namco, Nintendo's HAL Labs and Retro Studios, Sega, and every other studio whose games rank higher than 5 out of 10 and don't garner review quotes with the word "sucks" in them.
I tried looking at this from Radish point of view, that it's sad trend were big players are leaving the Cube... but I just can't see Eidos as being a "big player" these days.
Time Spliters 2 and The Hitman are both at least a year old, and it's not like Eidos has been spitting out high quality products left and right. (all though it's inappropriate, let's take a moument to laugh at TR:Angel of Darkness, it's 3 years in the making should have given them time to revent the real and make Lara have a game worthy of praise she's unfairly given but instead made it even more dated and laughable then one could imagine! You'd think they could at least have made her look like a real woman in that amount of time.)
Losing Eidos is nothing, now if we want to worry about a European developer not making GCN games Rockstar deserves our tears... they still consider Nintendo "kiddy" and even though the Xbox will be getting a very keen GTA box set Nintendo still gets squat! The very fact they aren't even willing to test the water with Evil Dead or State of Emergancy or some other budget title to see the reaction shows a problem in the Cube's image.
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| DarkZero 268th Post
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| "Re(3):Eidos Drops GameCube Support" , posted Sat 6 Sep 21:38
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I think it's easy to say "Ha ha! Tombraider sucks, good riddance Eidos!" but this is starting to be a real problem. It seems third party support is failing since most Cube owners only buy first party software. In addition all of Nintendo's "I gotta buy it!" titles aren't moving the system (none of them moved them like this latest Tales game did). Eidos is a big player so it looks bad to smaller publishers that have more to lose if a large company can't turn a profit with big name titles.
Eidos is a big player? Are you actually putting them anywhere near the tier of Square-Enix, Namco, Konami, Capcom, or Nintendo? AT BEST, they are a mediocre American developer whose games only sell well in their home country and who is just one step above Acclaim, a company that everoyne would've forgotten about by now if they weren't jerking the media around with lies about putting advertisements in graveyards. As Baghead mentioned, Timesplitters 2 and Hitman 2 aren't exactly recent games. In addition to that, Tomb Raider reached the number one or number two spot on the North American sales chart and was pathetically bad, which is going to give all future Eidos games the stigma "... from the makers of Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness!".
As for buying first party software, I think this is about to change. Tales of Symphonia and Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles have sold very well in Japan and you just KNOW that anything with the name "Final Fantasy" on it is bound for the top ten sales list in North America. In addition to that, Hell would have to freeze over before a remake of Metal Gear Solid receives anything less than blockbuster sales across the world. If Nintendo keeps up the good job that they're doing right now, I think they might be able to turn things around, providing that they don't get caught up in the "I'll just wait for the next round of consoles" slump that's bound to hurt everyone but Sony.
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doesn't matter who supports it...I think it's too late for the gamecube now.
And uh...at this point I wouldn't put sega in with the 'good' developers. They're not showing a hell of a lot of good stuff round about now.
It's true that Sega's inclusion on the list is just my own high hopes for Sonic Heroes creeping into my logic, but I don't think that it's too late for the GameCube. The GameCube is keeping pace with the Xbox in most countries, and even though it's losing ground in North America, it's gaining ground in Japan. Until we hit the new console lag slump, it's up in the air. I, like everyone else, may not be using my GameCube right now, but with Tales of Symphonia, Viewtiful Joe, and Twin Snakes on the way, I think there's hope that I will be in the future.
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| Radish 1634th Post
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| "Re(4):Eidos Drops GameCube Support" , posted Sat 6 Sep 23:06
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Eidos is a big player? Are you actually putting them anywhere near the tier of Square-Enix, Namco, Konami, Capcom, or Nintendo? AT BEST, they are a mediocre American developer whose games only sell well in their home country and who is just one step above Acclaim, a company that everoyne would've forgotten about by now if they weren't jerking the media around with lies about putting advertisements in graveyards. As Baghead mentioned, Timesplitters 2 and Hitman 2 aren't exactly recent games. In addition to that, Tomb Raider reached the number one or number two spot on the North American sales chart and was pathetically bad, which is going to give all future Eidos games the stigma "... from the makers of Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness!".
As for buying first party software, I think this is about to change. Tales of Symphonia and Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles have sold very well in Japan and you just KNOW that anything with the name "Final Fantasy" on it is bound for the top ten sales list in North America. In addition to that, Hell would have to freeze over before a remake of Metal Gear Solid receives anything less than blockbuster sales across the world. If Nintendo keeps up the good job that they're doing right now, I think they might be able to turn things around, providing that they don't get caught up in the "I'll just wait for the next round of consoles" slump that's bound to hurt everyone but Sony.
doesn't matter who supports it...I think it's too late for the gamecube now.
And uh...at this point I wouldn't put sega in with the 'good' developers. They're not showing a hell of a lot of good stuff round about now.
It's true that Sega's inclusion on the list is just my own high hopes for Sonic Heroes creeping into my logic, but I don't think that it's too late for the GameCube. The GameCube is keeping pace with the Xbox in most countries, and even though it's losing ground in North America, it's gaining ground in Japan. Until we hit the new console lag slump, it's up in the air. I, like everyone else, may not be using my GameCube right now, but with Tales of Symphonia, Viewtiful Joe, and Twin Snakes on the way, I think there's hope that I will be in the future.
Um, Hitman 2 came out a few months ago. That's fairly recent. And anyway, Eidos leaving Nintendo certainly isn't the nail in the Gamecube's coffin like you seem to think I meant, but it's indicative of a trend of third party support leaving the system for the Xbox or PS2. Eidos also has the rights to the Legacy of Kain franchise but I don't think they planned on bringing the next one to Gamecube anyway. Huge companies like Konami and Namco can take risks on Gamecube software, but most can't and would rather code for the sure deal than try on a system whose player base consistently prefers first party software to third party. I guess we can debate over the term "big" but it seems pointless to me.
Eidos has been releasing crappy games since the first Freedom Force over 4 years ago and it hasn't seemed to hurt their sales. Eidos /= Core. I don't even like the company, but you're a little naive to think that the recent crappy Tomb Raider game is going to hurt their long-term sales at all. Plus they were powerful enough to get their shitty bug filled game past the quality inspectors at Sony so they have some leverage.
Anyway I'm really sick of the "X game is going to turn everything around for the Gamecube" argument since it's impossible to disprove a future happening. However if history is any indication not even a well-done remake will turn it around.
Examples:
Pikmin is going to save the Gamecube!
Super Smash Brothers is going to save the Gamecube!
Super Mario Sunshine is going to save the Gamecube!
Metroid Prime is going to save the Gamecube!
Resident Evil Remake is going to save the Gamecube!
Zelda is going to save the Gamecube!
Now it's Tales/Metal Gear/Final Fantasy that's going to be Nintendo's savior. I'll believe it when I see it. Don't bother bringing up Viewtiful Joe; it looks like a great game but we all know it's not going to sell Gamecubes. Tales has done what none of the others could have. If this is a changing point: great. Otherwise it'll be like the rest and people will buy the system for one or two games and then let it sit in the corner.
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| Dr Baghead 2524th Post
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| "Re(1):Eidos facts" , posted Sun 7 Sep 11:56
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1) Eidos is primarily a EUROPEAN company, not American. One of the largest companies in Europe, actually.
Size matters not, unless it's on an IMAX.
Remember the internet boom when companies selling $50 bags of peanuts for $5 with free shipping were the biggest in the land?
Eidos is like that but instead of $50 bags of peanuts they're biggest product is a poorly conviced rip-off of Indiana Jones, James Bond, and Metal Gear... and instead of for $5 it's for $50 dispite being a rehash of something you just bough 11 months ago... and instead of being with free shipping it's with giant poorly rendered fake looking boobs.
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2) Eidos was responsible for publishing Capcom's Resident Evil games and Square's Final Fantasy games in Europe.
Oh! NO!!!! It's too bad no other companies would ever think of stepping in and publishing those games!!! I mean, Capcom's Resident Evil games and Square-Enix's Final Fantasy games are such a major risk to market no one would dare step into Eidos' brave shoes and distrubt them in Europe!!
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3) Eidos started Fresh Games, and translated and released niche titles such as Ka (Mister Mosquito), Mad Maestro, and Legaia 2.
Good thing they did too! The $10 "please take these things away!!!" bin at the Virgin Record Store was pretty empty before hand.
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4) Eidos did not develop Tomb Raider. That was Core. Eidos just owns the rights to the character of Lara Croft.
They own Core though, that's like saying Nintendo has nothing to do with Pokemon or that Bill Johnson shouldn't be blamed for starting the fire that killed a family of 5 because his CIGERETTE started the fire, not him!
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| VariantX
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| "Re(1):Eidos Drops GameCube Support" , posted Sun 7 Sep 12:28
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Mike McGarvey, chief executive for Eidos announced yesteday, that the company will no longer publish games for Nintendo's Gamecube console.
According to McGarvey, game's released on the Gamecube have been the least profitable for the company...he went on to comment: "The GameCube is a declining business"
Eidos will continue to publish games on both the Xbox and PS2 around the globe."
In other news, the GameCube outsold the PS2 in Japan for the first time, Tales of Symphonia is the best-selling game in Japan, and Tomb Raider blows. Eidos joins the prestigious ranks of Acclaim in dropping support for the GameCube, leaving the GC with only lackluster bargain bin developers like Square-Enix, Namco, Nintendo's HAL Labs and Retro Studios, Sega, and every other studio whose games rank higher than 5 out of 10 and don't garner review quotes with the word "sucks" in them.
Oh no!! I dont know how nintendo can go on without another poorly designed tomb raider game. They made timesplitters 2... which was about nearly 6-7 months ago and pretty much everyone who wanted the game got it about 4 months afterwards. Last legacy of kain game was ass without a doubt. And then they port hitman 2 to gamecube after everyone else enjoyed the game on every other platform almost 2 months prior. And yet, its nintendo's fault because they couldnt sell their crap on gamecube. Frankly i hear the "nintendo is a kiddie console" excuse far more from the developers in the beginning than the fanboys of the other systems. I recall nintendo started the ultra violence stuff on n64 with certain fps shooters in the beginning. The only thing that came close on the psx platform was resident evil.
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| Time Mage 1620th Post
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| "Re(2):Eidos facts" , posted Mon 8 Sep 13:29:
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Intercontinental publishing deals between game companies are usually made for a number of YEARS, not a number of GAMES, and it would be stupid for Eidos to pay the penalties and legal fees for breaking two major contracts with Square-Enix and Capcom instead of just publishing the games with little fanfare. Since the GameSpot article mentions absolutely nothing about this decision ending Eidos's European publishing deals, I think it's safe to assume that they're still on.
Sony published FF8, FF9, Vagrant Story, and all the post-FF7 Square games in Spain. EA is publishing Capcom games in Spain right now, at least in GC.
I don't give a damn about Eidos games, except maybe Time Splitters, which I was't going to buy anyway, but I think it's a good game GC owners will miss. Oh, the same with Commandos.
I'm very happy with my GC, I have 8 games that I like a lot (Residen Evil, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Resident Evil 0, Star Wars: Rogue Leader) and I have barely the time to finish them, so I don't miss more games, nor I have money for more purchasing frequency. Also, with VJ, PN03, SC2 and FZGX coming, not to mention MG:TTS and FFCC coming, I won't have time to get bored.
EDIT: My GBA needs food too.
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