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| NARUTO 1726th Post
 
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|  "VF 4 evo topics."
, posted Sat 6 Sep 10:49
OK here is just a little topic about VF 4 evo.
1st I wish to say that the game is great, really! This time sega have a really good job.
The game is varied and complete, the only sad things is that IMO the weak point of the Serie hare always here and become bigger.
For exemple, a things that really make me disapointed it that there is not “impact” effect.
This is disturbing sinec sometimte I feel that I didn’t hit when I do, or I didn’t when I was sure to....And IMO some characters doesn’t have clear guard pose so you really don’t know if they block or not...
So mister sega next time but in some “impacte” effect not as big as in tekken but just some little one to be sure of what we’re making.
An other thing is Dural...when will sega change that boss, she isn’t a boss anymore...
Why not unlocking har from the begining??
Why not making her a true character? It’s sad to know that you’ll need to “run” after her and that she isn’t playable in the quest mode...Why not making a new boss and let dural be a normal one with items to colect??...
And comming to think of it why not story??
Except in the manual nothing is said about it. IMO those make the arcade mode useless for me and totaly uninteresting at all....
Why not some short animotion to make a little senario progress, why not some ending with the in-game sprite?? Compared to tekken is is a bit cheap.......
Same for the intro movie, compared to VF 3 CG movie, those CPU demo look really cheap too....
The final thin is a desapointed me a little, the quest mode, IMO not as good as SC 2 one.
VF 4 quest can be done only once, this make money hard to gat when in SC 2 you can make them as much as you wish...
The variety of the quest to are cheap from an arena to an other they are the same: throw someone X times, defeat someone X times, Make a 4 hit combos X times .....
Weird when in SC 2 they was reall varied, and I find that in VF 4 they aren’t “adapted” to the characters your playing, for exemple a 4 hit can be easier for charcter like Pai or Aoi and more hard for Wolf or Goh....
The last things is that some itme needs to be unlocked AND bough! That to much in SC 2 you only have to buy them that was hard enough in VF 4 a better thing will have been to make some locked and some selled.... especialy when you can do quest or tournament again to win some money....
Mister sega all player aren’t hardcore gamer, think to the one who play only sometimes and who wish to make is own character just like the other player.....
Anyway those doesn’t ruin the game they just make some little weak point that can be really easily corrected for a future VF 5. the 2P mode is one of the best and the game have enought stuff to keep the lonely player at it (even if those can be better)
I just think what VF 5 can be now..
Until VF 4 evo will take enough time of mine.
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| Burning Kyo 1808th Post
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|  "Re(1):VF 4 evo topics."
, posted Sat 6 Sep 14:49:
- VF serie has always try to be a fighting simulation, 'n so to be realistic as much as possible without falling in the "bourrinage" (encore que LeiFei est limite) and the boring.
That's explain why there's not visual impact effect (on the other hand, there're sound impact effect for each different kind of hits : guarded, counter, ... etc.) 'n not all the fighting style have a clear guard pose.
- It's hard to make of Dural a normal character because it's a humanoïd (ex- Kagemaru's mother) which practises all the styles of the characters in the game.
Besides she's no more a Boss, she's bonus character. I think that each character meet his "rival" in the final stage.
- The VF serie hasn't really a story, so no ending. It's true it's sad but it's not vital in this kind of game ...
- The major advantage of the quest mode is to allow you to fight against the A.I. of famous japanese players. The missions are just here for the character customization.
- Like you said, it's a game for hardcore gamers 'n otaku. Hard to enjoy 'n hard to mastered, the VF serie is fighting simulation. In general, the VF players mastered only 1 or 2 characters, but they really enjoy them.
I think there's enough classic 3D fighting games like the Tekken or the SoulCalibur, so ... some originality can't be so bad (^_^)
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| NARUTO 1728th Post
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member
| "Re(2):VF 4 evo topics." , posted Sun 7 Sep 01:50
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- VF serie has always try to be a fighting simulation, 'n so to be realistic as much as possible without falling in the "bourrinage" (encore que LeiFei est limite) and the boring.
That's explain why there's not visual impact effect (on the other hand, there're sound impact effect for each different kind of hits : guarded, counter, ... etc.) 'n not all the fighting style have a clear guard pose.
Sure but it's still a video game so a minimum of those can't be bad, I mean the true simulation will be to practice martial art ourselves....
so in a video game even serious it won't be bad, and make it a little bit easy.
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- It's hard to make of Dural a normal character because it's a humanoïd (ex- Kagemaru's mother) which practises all the styles of the characters in the game.
Besides she's no more a Boss, she's bonus character. I think that each character meet his "rival" in the final stage.
no it doesn't...make her in the cast from the beginnig and let her win itmens and prize like the other...
With the story problem solved (create one story it's really possible) she can be as every other guy. and in 3D characters color and customisation is so easy...Imagine she can with each other characters suit for her, a metal Akira, metal Pai....
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- The VF serie hasn't really a story, so no ending. It's true it's sad but it's not vital in this kind of game ...
Wrong! Totaly wrong, fighting game have enought already the reputation of pityfull scenario and even for a serious game like it a good scenario can be found.
that will explain dural existence for exemple.
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- The major advantage of the quest mode is to allow you to fight against the A.I. of famous japanese players. The missions are just here for the character customization.
OK as you wish, so why it' so hard to get those items???
in this way create 2 modes: a tournament for the IA player and a easiest one for the items...
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- Like you said, it's a game for hardcore gamers 'n otaku. Hard to enjoy 'n hard to mastered, the VF serie is fighting simulation. In general, the VF players mastered only 1 or 2 characters, but they really enjoy them.
I think there's enough classic 3D fighting games like the Tekken or the SoulCalibur, so ... some originality can't be so bad (^_^)
I din't agree I think that's VF sereis problem, to much hard core... if they adapt a little the game, by add littles things like: a story, easiest items and some hardest command simplified that can turn for a larger public...
Come on, all people deosn't have the time to spend 456 hour in front of there console just to defeat a particular guy, spend to much hour just to buy a little belt, het, sun glasses....
For the True VF player it doesn't matter if the quest mode will be easier and the itmes easy to catch since it's not what he care for, as long as is hard Ia mode is here.
And for the newbie He'll be able to enjoy an original quest mode and spend more time in his characters customisation since it'll be easier to got what he want.
Belive me I like the game it's just that I sad to see that those point aren't taken seriously by Sega, and other editor...
Make game easier for those who play rarely and make in each game an hard mode for those who want it...
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| hikarutilmitt
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Rare Customer
| "Re(1):VF 4 evo topics." , posted Sun 7 Sep 05:47
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The final thin is a desapointed me a little, the quest mode, IMO not as good as SC 2 one.
VF 4 quest can be done only once, this make money hard to gat when in SC 2 you can make them as much as you wish...
You can keep winning matches and get money from prize fights. There's always a way to get money.
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The variety of the quest to are cheap from an arena to an other they are the same: throw someone X times, defeat someone X times, Make a 4 hit combos X times .....
Weird when in SC 2 they was reall varied, and I find that in VF 4 they aren’t “adapted” to the characters your playing, for exemple a 4 hit can be easier for charcter like Pai or Aoi and more hard for Wolf or Goh....
It would have been nice to have certain quests for specific characters, yes, but there are a lot more quests than just those types. You get goofy stuff like "Hit your opponent wiht exactly 10 seconds left on the timer" or "Win 10 times in a row without RO" (god this one is pissing me off).
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The last things is that some itme needs to be unlocked AND bough! That to much in SC 2 you only have to buy them that was hard enough in VF 4 a better thing will have been to make some locked and some selled.... especialy when you can do quest or tournament again to win some money....
Mister sega all player aren’t hardcore gamer, think to the one who play only sometimes and who wish to make is own character just like the other player.....
Er you DO unlock and buy stuff. You can get items from winning prize fights, going through the various aprts of Trial mode, winning tournaments or doing the 28th, 29th and 30th Missions in Arcade mode. This is in addition to the items you can buy.
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| NARUTO 1732th Post
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member
| "Re(2):VF 4 evo topics." , posted Sun 7 Sep 23:31
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You can keep winning matches and get money from prize fights. There's always a way to get money.
yup but not as much as in SC 2 I've unlocked all the SC 2 hidden stuff quicker than all things for 1 characters in VF 4....
IN VF 4 it's damn too much hard to get all.
even the Practice trial are stupidly made IMO since they say thay teach you a 4 hit combo, but the CPU only accept his own combo not the one can do...and some of the CPU are damn hard to pull out.
making all items present in shop from the beginnig with only money to get will have make it easier so people will have been able to enjoy characters customisation whitout being a VF 4 monster player....
as I said think to newbie are occasinal player....
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It would have been nice to have certain quests for specific characters, yes, but there are a lot more quests than just those types. You get goofy stuff like "Hit your opponent wiht exactly 10 seconds left on the timer" or "Win 10 times in a row without RO" (god this one is pissing me off).
the problem aren't the characters in particular, it's just that the mission aren't balanced for all characters...
they should have put some more common mission, like a 1 VS 3 match, or wall make more damage...some of they like fight 3 or 4 time XXX character are boring simce who knows when the CPU will give you this character...IMO I go in and out of the arcade as long I got him....sad.
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Er you DO unlock and buy stuff. You can get items from winning prize fights, going through the various aprts of Trial mode, winning tournaments or doing the 28th, 29th and 30th Missions in Arcade mode. This is in addition to the items you can buy.
the Problem here comes from items who need to be unlocked THEN bough. So or you unlock them (with easier condition please!!!), Or you buy them but not the booth ot them...
Item custom should (must?) be really more easy for low level player, this way they could enjoy this part of the game as well...
Anyway hardcore player doesn't really care for that and a hight level turnament can be made as well for them...
with minor prize like wallpaper or other stuff that won't be sad to miss, but that Fan will be happy to catch.
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| hikarutilmitt
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Rare Customer
| "Re(3):VF 4 evo topics." , posted Mon 8 Sep 00:08
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yup but not as much as in SC 2 I've unlocked all the SC 2 hidden stuff quicker than all things for 1 characters in VF 4....
IN VF 4 it's damn too much hard to get all.
even the Practice trial are stupidly made IMO since they say thay teach you a 4 hit combo, but the CPU only accept his own combo not the one can do...and some of the CPU are damn hard to pull out.
making all items present in shop from the beginnig with only money to get will have make it easier so people will have been able to enjoy characters customisation whitout being a VF 4 monster player....
as I said think to newbie are occasinal player....
Er, I'd rather it take me a long time to open stuff up and have to work for it rather than finish a single mode in a couple of hours and that be all.
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the Problem here comes from items who need to be unlocked THEN bough. So or you unlock them (with easier condition please!!!), Or you buy them but not the booth ot them...
Item custom should (must?) be really more easy for low level player, this way they could enjoy this part of the game as well...
Anyway hardcore player doesn't really care for that and a hight level turnament can be made as well for them...
with minor prize like wallpaper or other stuff that won't be sad to miss, but that Fan will be happy to catch.
You seem to misunderstand me or I am misunderstanding you. You have to wait until certain arcades to be able to buy certain things in the shop, yes, but you can ALSO win items in matches where it says "Winner Gets a Prize". You don't buy everything you get, ya know. In fact, you tend to have to win more items than buy them.
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| NARUTO 1734th Post
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member
| "Re(4):VF 4 evo topics." , posted Mon 8 Sep 08:57
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Er, I'd rather it take me a long time to open stuff up and have to work for it rather than finish a single mode in a couple of hours and that be all.
I agree here, but VF 4 are still too much long to unlock all.
And here I take the point of view of some friend of me who only play sometimes and doesn't have the game, still I wish they can Custom a little "their" characters more easily...
If for exemple all hair item where unlocked in the same time, (for exemple 4 hair style by characters, when you unlock "hair item 1" with pai, all "hair item 1" should be unlocked for all.)
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You seem to misunderstand me or I am misunderstanding you. You have to wait until certain arcades to be able to buy certain things in the shop, yes, but you can ALSO win items in matches where it says "Winner Gets a Prize". You don't buy everything you get, ya know. In fact, you tend to have to win more items than buy them.
Missunderstand here yes, all I wish to say is that all items should be avalable from the 1st shop (arcade) so the one who will to buy only haircut, doesn't have to wait the last shop...
the fact that you win some of them isn't a problem (even if IMO they could make those more often to keep the player "hungry")
As you win them without condition, except winnig the match....
As for Gekiranger, yes the event square is more original IMO, those kind of thing are good. Well even if here again an other problem post out, the CPU level aren't well balanced if your lucky you can fall on a 5 kyu character, when your 2 dan, that good but sometimes CPU comes with a warrior and totaly moop the floor with you....
in those CPU level should be higher than 1+ level of yours, ( a 2dan player will never see more than 3rd dan CPU)
As for SC 2 ther where a lots of diffrent things...
Earthquake, wind, Dangerous arena, dangerous wall, dangerous floor, 1 vs 5, prize match, bomb match, poison match..and so on...
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