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| Toxico 3141th Post
 
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|  "Haggies rules."
, posted Wed 3 Sep 08:18
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how the hell do you jump forward in Soul Calibur?
Hold block, then do up.
Heihachi has many motions changes, for example his old "twin piston" is made with df tringle, triange (df + B, B in SC; df + 2, 2 in TTT), unlike the usual df 1, 2 of Tekken... still he's damn tough with practice... The main problem his getting at will his dp + square or dp + triangle... You'll get the drill with time)
* dunno if the buttons are right, I just handle the usual tekken buttons layout (1, 2, 3, 4) *
for the record = haggies -> diapers.
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| Iron D 2302th Post
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|  "About Heihachi"
, posted Fri 5 Sep 14:15:
Whoever it was that mentioned Heihachi's story is incorrect. Heihachi's story is that he finds a shard from Soul Edge while he's in a sauna, get's cut by the shard, passes out and awakens in the past.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
His ending basically just says that he wakes up and is back in his own time. Meh.
End of Spoiler
As far as his moves, his double jumping kick is done with ff+k,k (in tekken its u/f+lk,rk) and his jumping spin kick to sweep kick is u/f+k,k (in Tekken it was u/f+rk,rk).
Most of his moves are done the same, but there are some weird differences. Oh, and the man does DAMAGE, I tells ya.
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| Hungrywolf 2297th Post
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| "Re(1):So what about Link?" , posted Fri 5 Sep 17:41
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Whoever it was that mentioned Heihachi's story is incorrect. Heihachi's story is that he finds a shard from Soul Edge while he's in a sauna, get's cut by the shard, passes out and awakens in the past.
Odd that Heihachi cuts himself and has a wonderful dream, but Necrid's story says a shard turned him into a horrible(-ly designed) monster...
they should have used young Heihachi and had him build a time machine to get the Soul Edge (if he lives in a world were his dead son can be cloned to the same age and with same memories as when he died, and he can use the DNA of a giant monster and his grandson to become a godlike being he can make a time machine just fine!) and when he tries to go back to his own time Yoshimitsu tries to steal it from him and ends up in the future!!! It's a twofer story that way!!!
So far we have falling asleep in the sauna and Malebogia not wanting the Soul Calibur until 5 centuries after it's gone so he has to send his current Spawn back in time to get it rather then using one of the badass medeval ones from the toy line (personally I like Samurai Spawn... though Viking Spawn ain't without his charm)as background stories... what's Link's story?
Did Ganondorf kick him down a well and that well turned out to be warp pipe to 15th (14th?) century Europe and Link decides only the Soul Edge can get him home?
Link's Profile:
Name: Link
Bithplace: Hyrule
Weapon: Sword & Shield
Weapon Name: Master Sword & Hylian Shield (default)
Stage: Ostrheinsburg Chapel
Once upon a time, Hyrule's tranquility was shattered by the arrival
of several disasters. The calamities brought dark, ominous clouds
which shut out the sun. Suprisingly, it came to light that a magician
was to blame for the disasters.
Just as the people were about to lose all hope, the sun miraculosly
returned. Link, who was summoned by Zelda to find the cause of the
disasters, succesfully defeated the magician. The people of Hyrule
rejoiced in the belief that eternal peace would rule.
Unfortunately, this was not to be.
It became clear that the magician responsible for the disasters was
in fact, controlled by an evil sword called Soul Edge, which existed
in another world.
Futhermore. the fragments of Soul Edge were gathering together in this
other world.
Knowing that the resurrection of the evil blade must be prevented at
all costs, Link chose to travel to the other world and destroy
Soul Edge.
Link gathered his trusted Master Sword, Hylian Shield, and Ocarina,and
set off on a secret journey.
I'll post the ending too if you want it.
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| Dr Baghead 2512th Post
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| "Re(2):So what about Link?" , posted Fri 5 Sep 20:22
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Link's Profile:
Name: Link
Bithplace: Hyrule
Weapon: Sword & Shield
Weapon Name: Master Sword & Hylian Shield (default)
Stage: Ostrheinsburg Chapel
Once upon a time, Hyrule's tranquility was shattered by the arrival
of several disasters. The calamities brought dark, ominous clouds
which shut out the sun. Suprisingly, it came to light that a magician
was to blame for the disasters.
Just as the people were about to lose all hope, the sun miraculosly
returned. Link, who was summoned by Zelda to find the cause of the
disasters, succesfully defeated the magician. The people of Hyrule
rejoiced in the belief that eternal peace would rule.
Unfortunately, this was not to be.
It became clear that the magician responsible for the disasters was
in fact, controlled by an evil sword called Soul Edge, which existed
in another world.
Futhermore. the fragments of Soul Edge were gathering together in this
other world.
Knowing that the resurrection of the evil blade must be prevented at
all costs, Link chose to travel to the other world and destroy
Soul Edge.
Link gathered his trusted Master Sword, Hylian Shield, and Ocarina,and
set off on a secret journey.
Thanks, Wolf... it's odd how that assumes we know who Link is and jumps straight to the set up, yet Spawn's profile transcribes how he was brought back to life and doesn't mention until the short last paragraph why he went back in time.
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I'll post the ending too if you want it.
That would be great! Also, since you have his profile would you mind seeing who does his voice? (click "L" in the voice section of the profile)
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| Hungrywolf 2298th Post
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| "Re(3):So what about Link?" , posted Fri 5 Sep 20:40
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Link's Profile:
Name: Link
Bithplace: Hyrule
Weapon: Sword & Shield
Weapon Name: Master Sword & Hylian Shield (default)
Stage: Ostrheinsburg Chapel
Once upon a time, Hyrule's tranquility was shattered by the arrival
of several disasters. The calamities brought dark, ominous clouds
which shut out the sun. Suprisingly, it came to light that a magician
was to blame for the disasters.
Just as the people were about to lose all hope, the sun miraculosly
returned. Link, who was summoned by Zelda to find the cause of the
disasters, succesfully defeated the magician. The people of Hyrule
rejoiced in the belief that eternal peace would rule.
Unfortunately, this was not to be.
It became clear that the magician responsible for the disasters was
in fact, controlled by an evil sword called Soul Edge, which existed
in another world.
Futhermore. the fragments of Soul Edge were gathering together in this
other world.
Knowing that the resurrection of the evil blade must be prevented at
all costs, Link chose to travel to the other world and destroy
Soul Edge.
Link gathered his trusted Master Sword, Hylian Shield, and Ocarina,and
set off on a secret journey.
Thanks, Wolf... it's odd how that assumes we know who Link is and jumps straight to the set up, yet Spawn's profile transcribes how he was brought back to life and doesn't mention until the short last paragraph why he went back in time.
I'll post the ending too if you want it.
That would be great! Also, since you have his profile would you mind seeing who does his voice? (click "L" in the voice section of the profile)
ok....but he doesn't talk or anything...just makes noises like in the games... I'll check on it later when I get a chance.
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| Dr Baghead 2516th Post
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| "Re(6):So what about Link?" , posted Fri 5 Sep 23:23
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It's not too odd. I don't think that Miyamoto wants to give Link a specific voice, at least not yet. I mean, Mario talks in his games and yet Link still has yet to say anything. Spawn has had voices before...so has Heiheichi (sp? forgive me, not looking at his name and I really don't like Tekken, I've tried. I do like Christie in Tekken 4 though, but that's it. Least I think he's had a voice). Anyway that's all I can say about that. Anyway, I'll post the ending when I get a chance to look at it.
EDIT: Voice (though there is no talking) is by Nobuyuki Hiyama.
I wonder if that's his 'offical' Nintendo VA or a sound-alike like the not-Keith David Spawn (so now I have to pretend Spawn is voiced by Keith David to pretend I'm playing as Goliath with a potty mouth!!)...
Checks: WOW!! It's offical adult link! (from the Smash Brothers games... I bet Namco just got Nintendo to loan them the sounds from that)... he's also Nightmare, Yoshimitsu, KoF's Joe Higashi and SvC's Demitri!
Checks a few other VA's: Wow! these was all a bunch of unknowns and some guys from Zone of Enders... now I'm beining to wonder even more if "Victor Stone" is a real or it's one of the other Spawn VA's trying to avoid SAG union conflicts for appearing in this game.
also thanks for posting the ending, I can't wait to see it with pictures (but alas I must... got to rent the PS2 version next, then I can settle down and buy the GCN version with no questions of what could have been)
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| Hungrywolf 2302th Post
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| "Re(7):So what about Link?" , posted Sat 6 Sep 07:13
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It's not too odd. I don't think that Miyamoto wants to give Link a specific voice, at least not yet. I mean, Mario talks in his games and yet Link still has yet to say anything. Spawn has had voices before...so has Heiheichi (sp? forgive me, not looking at his name and I really don't like Tekken, I've tried. I do like Christie in Tekken 4 though, but that's it. Least I think he's had a voice). Anyway that's all I can say about that. Anyway, I'll post the ending when I get a chance to look at it.
EDIT: Voice (though there is no talking) is by Nobuyuki Hiyama.
I wonder if that's his 'offical' Nintendo VA or a sound-alike like the not-Keith David Spawn (so now I have to pretend Spawn is voiced by Keith David to pretend I'm playing as Goliath with a potty mouth!!)...
Checks: WOW!! It's offical adult link! (from the Smash Brothers games... I bet Namco just got Nintendo to loan them the sounds from that)... he's also Nightmare, Yoshimitsu, KoF's Joe Higashi and SvC's Demitri!
Checks a few other VA's: Wow! these was all a bunch of unknowns and some guys from Zone of Enders... now I'm beining to wonder even more if "Victor Stone" is a real or it's one of the other Spawn VA's trying to avoid SAG union conflicts for appearing in this game.
also thanks for posting the ending, I can't wait to see it with pictures (but alas I must... got to rent the PS2 version next, then I can settle down and buy the GCN version with no questions of what could have been)
After reading this thread, I think I can say that Link was the best exclusive. Of course, I already believed that before so I guess really this thread just let me know what the other characters were like. I wonder what other exclusives PS2 and X-box could've had???
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| Dr Baghead 2517th Post
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| "Heihachi does not equal Sony!!!!!" , posted Sat 6 Sep 11:15
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Well Spawn is a great character but I do not really see how he represents the Xbox; I think it was just a nod to Todd Mcfarlane who produced some Soul Calibur 2 figures.
Xbox=Black casing, on button glows green
Spawn=Black suit, eyes glow green
TA-DA!!!
and actually Spawn in SC2 not just as a nod to the toys but because Todd was shopping around Spawn for videogame as SC2's home versions went into production... when he approached Namco about doing a game they said "maybe, but hey! How about making us a character for Soul Calibur!" and Todd was all "how about Spawn? can that character be Spawn?" and Namco was all "well maybe... but we'd rather have an original character"... so we got Necrid, Spawn became an exclusive and Namco is in production on a MacFarlane Monsters AND Spawn game (both of which will be on the X-Box as well as PS2)
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Otherwise I think Master Chief from Halo is probably the image of what an Xbox mascot would be if they had one. Of course Halo was created by Bungie Software, but you know Microsoft can find a way to work in Master Chief anyway (plus Bungie would agree naturally, more publicity)
Why the hell should the exclusives represent the system anyway? Sure Link is linked to Nintendo, but when I think "Heihachi" I don't think PS-family... I think "Namco" (and they're multisystem, ain't they?), "arcades", "crappy gameplay", and "old man in thong diaper" but never "Playstation 2!", it's really pushing it to say Heihachi summons up Sony like Link does Nintendo.
Besides Master Chief (who I like to call "Master Chef" it sounds a lot cooler!) would be a HORRIBLE character, as dumb as Spawn is he have some persona and class(as do Link and Heihachi.)
If Microsoft was to go out of their way to get an exclusive fighter Kasumi from DoA would be far more logical.
DoA3 and Halo ware both exclusives and launch titles with the same amount of ties to the XBox (Microsoft owns most if not all of Bungie and Itagaki is snuggled so tightly in Bill Gates bed I'm surprised I have to say that metaphorically and not literally), and unlike Master Chef Kasumi was designed for non-projectile-weapon-based-combat (she has a f**king sword! She should use it!)
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And the problem with the PS2 version is, frankly, Sony does not have any mascots. Unlike Nintendo, they hardly produce any titles in-house, they are all licensed to 2nd party publishers. I may be mistaken on that, but if I am wrong, I am not aware of any good game that Sony has ever produced on their own. So who else is there to choose but a property Namco already owns?
PaRappa the Rapper and Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal are Sony owned, and both are very badass. I think they also own Jak and Daxter, they'd fit in as well as Link would.(aside from which they have a lot of exclusivity rights... they could probably have pulled a few strings and got Lara Croft in the game if they really wanted to.)
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| Burning Ranger 468th Post
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| "Re(1):Heihachi does not equal Sony!!!!!" , posted Sat 6 Sep 14:40
I'm starting to think that the 'exclusive' characters are all just marketing ploys for the different versions. Think about it... Link was in the GC version because he is the legendary swordsman of the Nintendo universe, and that alone could draw in Zelda fans to get the GC version. Even though Spawn is not a symbol of the X-box, he is a widely recognizable and popular comic book character, and that would draw in a lot of comic book fans as well as mainstream gaming fans who have X-boxes. Heicachi is the symbol of Tekken, probably the most widely known 3D fighting game in existence, and that would appeal to Namco fans, though not necesserily PS2 fans in general. I think Heichachi is probably the pooly chosen exclusive. When you think about it, Link and Spawn are probably far more recognizable on a mainstream level than Heicachi. I think that corporate representation is irrelevant.
Think about it. If the Dreamcast was still a popular supported system today and Soul Calibur 2 came out for it, who would be the exclusive character?
Personally, adding exclusive characters takes away from the concept of "definitive version" of the game. A definitive version has ALL characters, OR, has the base amount of characters if later releases have exclusives. I think it would have just been better if no exclusives were added. This way, all versions would be "definitive".
But then, Link is kinda cool...
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| Undead Fred 851th Post
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| "Re(2):Heihachi does not equal Sony!!!!!" , posted Sat 6 Sep 15:07
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After reading this thread, I think I can say that Link was the best exclusive.
Sorry, but that's your opinion. Personally, I wasn't excited about seeing Link in the game at all. I'm kind of tired of seeing Mario or Link or Samus or [insert classic NES character here] in EVERYTHING Nintendo does. It's like seeing cameos of Hannah-Barbera characters in every Cartoon Cartoon on Cartoon Network. I wanted a pissed-off zombie-faced angry guy as the exclusive character in the one I bought, so I got the one with Spawn in it. I like Spawn's little "spinning axe" moves, too.... they're fun to use.
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I'm starting to think that the 'exclusive' characters are all just marketing ploys for the different versions. Think about it... Link was in the GC version because he is the legendary swordsman of the Nintendo universe, and that alone could draw in Zelda fans to get the GC version. Even though Spawn is not a symbol of the X-box, he is a widely recognizable and popular comic book character, and that would draw in a lot of comic book fans as well as mainstream gaming fans who have X-boxes. Heicachi is the symbol of Tekken, probably the most widely known 3D fighting game in existence, and that would appeal to Namco fans, though not necesserily PS2 fans in general. I think Heichachi is probably the pooly chosen exclusive. When you think about it, Link and Spawn are probably far more recognizable on a mainstream level than Heicachi. I think that corporate representation is irrelevant.
No offense, man... but this just now dawned on you? Of COURSE it's a marketing ploy. It's cool that they had an exclusive character for each system, but I am highly positive that they were also meant to sway people toward one system or another. Personally, I chose the XBox one not only because of the whole "XBox has a hard drive, so I won't need my memory card and maybe the graphics will be better and blah blah blah," but also because Spawn was in it. I figured I'd have more fun playing with him than Heihachi (I don't really like Heihachi anyway... now if it were Bryan Fury, I'd consider it). I would have loved to have seen Kasumi in the XBox version, but I don't think Tecmo would go for that. It's different with the other exclusive characters; they're not from a competing game company that makes fighters. I didn't even think of Kasumi having a sword, though. That would have worked out perfectly.
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| Hungrywolf 2313th Post
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| "Re(9):Heihachi does not equal Sony!!!!!" , posted Mon 8 Sep 20:32
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Say what you want, but most people who play fighting games own a PS2. Best controller for it, best joystick peripherals. If you want to buy a fighting game for some other system, you'd need a REALLY good reason. And "NOO I DUN WANT NO JAGGIEEZZ" isn't going to cut it.
If a controllers the only reason you'd except an inferior copy of a game, might I suggest you stop playing games and take up knitting, Grandma?
I mean think about isn't "LOLOLOL!!! OMGRAOSHFL! L00k @ how HUGE that XSux con+0ller iz!!!!" or "d00d! The Lame^3's c0n+ollr looks like Mari0's p00p!!!! It fVckLng sux!!!" just as lame as "NOO I DUN WANT NO JAGGIEEZZ" when it comes to picking a game?
So when it boils down to it, you're either a graphic-whore or cry-baby who's afraid their delicate little girl hand will be hurt on anything other then a Dual Shock....
I have to make sure my Wavebird gets lots of love since so many people seem to hate on it. I'm glad I have a unique controller, because there is no controller for another system with the wireless capabilities mine has. Also, the controller setup itself is great to me. To each his own, but I'll always get the Gamecube version if a game is available on PS2 and GCN. And it has nothing to do with the controller, it just means I'm very loyal to Nintendo. And I like the controller, no matter how many people think it's horrible.
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| Omar 276th Post
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|  "Polygonman should have been in SC2"
, posted Mon 8 Sep 21:04
Well, it's not that the extra characters were choosen because they represented the console.
It's easy. Nintendo and Namco currently have a very healthy relationship (StarFox and all), so incLuding Link is part of that. And it doesn't hurt that it will certainly boost sales on the plataform by including a first party character.
Namco and Tod McFarlane have a good relationship right now, too. If I remember correctly not only is McFarlane doing the toys, it's also shoping around the movie rights, something he has done for other (not yet greenlit) projects. So it makes sense to have McFarlane characters. Spawn has seen much better days in terms of comic book sales and popularity, so it brings the character back into mainstream and prepares gamers for the next Spawn game. (and that rumoured comic relaunch by TopCow)
(Altough, I love Baghead's black/green explanation and will probably use it a lot in real life)
Heihachi is not there bacause he "respresents" a console. He is there probably bacause Tekken has done well in the past on the Playstation 2, I guess. And it's not like this is the first Soul/Tekken crossover eh? ;)
So, in my opinion the reason is not because each character respresents a console. It's because of the relationships between Namco and the copyright owners.
Also, am I the only one that thinks that the era of consoles mascots is long gone? I'mean, who remembers Polygonman? ;)
As for a definitive version of SC2, to me, it's all about wich one plays the best and runs better. An extra character doesn't make too much of a difference to me, because, well, those weren't in the arcade to begin with. :)
I have only played the Xbox version so far and I think too that Spawn ain't bad, heh.
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Well Spawn is a great character but I do not really see how he represents the Xbox; I think it was just a nod to Todd Mcfarlane who produced some Soul Calibur 2 figures.
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"Re(1):Spawn ain't bad (SC2 thread)" 
"Heihachi doesn't have his diaper" 
how the hell do you jump forward in Soul Calibur?
SQUARE, TRIANGLE in Tekken would be 
