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| sabo10 628th Post
 
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|  "illegalized anime"
, posted Tue 2 Sep 20:32:
I may be a bit late picking up on this, but...
paraphrased from "Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003" or "PROTECT Act"
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
I thought it would be fun to start a list of commercially available products in the U.S.A. that violate this law as a service to help the feds get started cracking skulls. I'll get the ball rolling:
- Minnie May's blowjob and other sexual conduct in Gunsmith Cat's manga
- Rei sitting on Shinji's penis in End of Evangelion.
I'd also suggest feds go after Himeya's American branch
WARNING, CLICKING THAT LINK IS A FEDERAL CRIME.
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| Jazzie D 2158th Post
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| "Re(1):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:43
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I may be a bit late picking up on this, but...
paraphrased from "Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003" or "PROTECT Act"
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
I thought it would be fun to start a list of commercially available products in the U.S.A. that violate this law as a service to help the feds get started cracking skulls. I'll get the ball rolling:
- Minnie May's blowjob and other sexual conduct in Gunsmith Cat's manga
- Rei sitting on Shinji's penis in End of Evangelion.
I'd also suggest feds go after Himeya's American branch
WARNING, CLICKING THAT LINK IS A FEDERAL CRIME.
I am now more scared than ever. =P
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| Gen 1975th Post
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| "Re(1):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:55:
The law's been posted about before by that's ok.
Live action pornography of sex with minors, and things displayed openly/publicly make sense to go after.
This law is tight on things import comics.
If someone wants to sell import comics to hobbyist adults inside a store, where the items can't be seen from the public street or though the store window... If children are allowed in the store, the store needs to make those graphics not visible to minors, which can be done by placing them behind a counter, in a special adult only section, in a separate room.. etc. etc..
This would forbid a film maker from making a R rated film that had a non-pornographic seen in which the film portrayed the action as negative. However a lurid X-rated pornographic text description written for perverted purposes seems to be allowed.
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I may be a bit late picking up on this, but...
paraphrased from "Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003" or "PROTECT Act"
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
I thought it would be fun to start a list of commercially available products in the U.S.A. that violate this law as a service to help the feds get started cracking skulls. I'll get the ball rolling:
- Minnie May's blowjob and other sexual conduct in Gunsmith Cat's manga
- Rei sitting on Shinji's penis in End of Evangelion.
I'd also suggest feds go after Himeya's American branch
WARNING, CLICKING THAT LINK IS A FEDERAL CRIME.
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| sabo10 631th Post
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| "Re(9):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 2 Sep 22:53:
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didnt the ussc already specifically state in some case or other that the banning of depictions of children engaged in sexual conduct is unconstitutional? i remember some language like "laws against child pornography are made to protect children and if no children are used to manufacturer such goods, blah blah blah..." was that the ashcroft case? whatever. the ussc will probably over turn that law anyway. congress is a group of morons anyway - theyll vote for anything that makes them more popular. honestly, no one in congress has the balls to stand up against a child porno ban law, and be pointed out as "the guy who didnt support the ban on child porn." so they all vote for it. that silly law probably passed like 100 - 0. lol.
80-0. Not one of those corrupt, slimy, soulless, evil, scowling motherfuckers stood up to say "Hay, guyz, maybe making it a crime to draw pictures isn't such a good idear."
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| Gen 1976th Post
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| "Re(10):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 2 Sep 23:06
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didnt the ussc already specifically state in some case or other that the banning of depictions of children engaged in sexual conduct is unconstitutional? i remember some language like "laws against child pornography are made to protect children and if no children are used to manufacturer such goods, blah blah blah..." was that the ashcroft case? whatever. the ussc will probably over turn that law anyway. congress is a group of morons anyway - theyll vote for anything that makes them more popular. honestly, no one in congress has the balls to stand up against a child porno ban law, and be pointed out as "the guy who didnt support the ban on child porn." so they all vote for it. that silly law probably passed like 100 - 0. lol.
80-0. Not one of those corrupt, slimy, soulless, evil, scowling motherfuckers stood up to say "Hay, guyz, maybe making it a crime to draw pictures isn't such a good idear."
If they did they'd get roasted
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| Kagami
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| "Re(1):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 2 Sep 23:55
quote:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
You left out the next sentence, though.
(and) "‘‘(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or
scientific value;"
Which, if you google for that line, you will see is the USSC’s standard test for whether any material of any kind deserves freedom of speech protection – i.e. it’s a redundant statement of the meaning of obscenity and doesn’t change anything. It just makes the anti-free speech, anti-art voters feel like their representatives are “doing something.” I’d say the joke’s on them. :)
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| Gen 1978th Post
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| "Re(2):illegalized anime" , posted Wed 3 Sep 01:19:
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The truly sad thing is that Bush, despite being the most abrasive, poorly spoken, and useless president in American history, will probably end up being around for 4 more years. Has anyone taken a serious look at the Democratic party's potential candidates for 2004? No wheat amongst the sea of chaff. Pathetic when they can't even scrounge up anyone that can challenge Bush Jr.
Neither of those 2 parties has scrounged up President-quality canidates for years.
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]The American political system is so fundamentally flawed at this point it's unsalvageable. The whole thing needs to be scrapped and rebooted.
Nader sounds like he wants to do that, kind of.
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On a more related (and slightly less flame-instigating) note, I can't build up any kind of ire over this. It's a ridiculous law that will eventually be struck down (while it looks great on a politician's resume, defense lawyers would find loopholes so quickly no one would ever be convicted under it), but I can't build up any sort of righteous indignation over what amounts to defending loli and moe. While it's certainly free speech and I wouldn't even think about depriving anyone the opportunity to see hyper-cute animated girlies being violated in various creative ways, it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it personally.
too much anger can prevent proper functioning. Though caring about positive outcomes of politics is good, not having to dwell in them allows puruit of other accomplishments. uh yeah
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(2):illegalized anime" , posted Wed 3 Sep 09:11
quote:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
You left out the next sentence, though.
(and) "‘‘(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or
scientific value;"
Which, if you google for that line, you will see is the USSC’s standard test for whether any material of any kind deserves freedom of speech protection – i.e. it’s a redundant statement of the meaning of obscenity and doesn’t change anything. It just makes the anti-free speech, anti-art voters feel like their representatives are “doing something.” I’d say the joke’s on them. :)
What that is, exactly, is the prime definition for finding something to be obscene. The problem with that is that what is deemed obscene by one community may not be by another (i.e. the Bible Belt vs, say, most of California) and you end up having stupid case findings that go to the SC and take close to a year to resolve.
I'm hoping that this law gets struck down not to approve of child pornography (which this is not) but to show people how utterly stupid it is.
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| Radish 1622th Post
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| "Re(3):illegalized anime" , posted Wed 3 Sep 10:09
quote:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
You left out the next sentence, though.
(and) "‘‘(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or
scientific value;"
Which, if you google for that line, you will see is the USSC’s standard test for whether any material of any kind deserves freedom of speech protection – i.e. it’s a redundant statement of the meaning of obscenity and doesn’t change anything. It just makes the anti-free speech, anti-art voters feel like their representatives are “doing something.” I’d say the joke’s on them. :)
What that is, exactly, is the prime definition for finding something to be obscene. The problem with that is that what is deemed obscene by one community may not be by another (i.e. the Bible Belt vs, say, most of California) and you end up having stupid case findings that go to the SC and take close to a year to resolve.
I'm hoping that this law gets struck down not to approve of child pornography (which this is not) but to show people how utterly stupid it is.
All obsenity laws are unconstitutional.
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| jiji
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| "Re(8):illegalized anime" , posted Mon 8 Sep 21:19
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Hotaru/Sailor Saturn? How in the world did that come from her? Where did you get this?
I think this is where I saw that definition (it was a while ago). However, I also found this while searching around:
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By way of further explanation, however, Katayama tests our familiarity with
the term 'moe'. It's crucial, he reproves the silent audience, if you're to
understand the current culture in Japan. Literally, it refers to the change
of seasons into spring, with the blooming flowers and the singing birds and
the whole nine yards. As applied idiomatically, it is interpreted as love
at first sight, infatuation to the point of overwhelming, obsessive desire.
The connection suggests to me that old Carpenters' song, 'Why do birds
suddenly appear/Every time you are near?/Just like me, they want to be/Close
to you." That settled, the panel signs off with an admonition to 'keep
spreading the love', presumably to each other as well as of anime.
That sounds a bit more likely to me.
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| hikarutilmitt
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| "Re(6):illegalized anime" , posted Tue 9 Sep 11:44
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All obsenity laws are unconstitutional.
Well, actually, they aren't if they are ordinances and those ordinances do not infringe upon the rights of businesses. The most obvious example being XXX theatres and shops being near schools or churches.
The problem with obscenity and being patently offensive is that you cannot necessarily determine it outside the context of the person. You also can almost always prove that something has some moral/social value simply by design (such as loli & moe art since they are, technically, art).
Thanks, you put that better than I would have. I'm more referring to laws that say, "You can't look at ____ because we don’t think that it’s good for you." Local ordinances aren't as egregious because generally they are a community policing itself and don’t prohibit people from viewing material, only the location in which they can (for instance it would be silly to have a hardcore porn section in the middle of a Blockbusters or your school distance example.)
The problem is that since ordinances ARE obscenity laws, in practice if not on paper, they tend to overstretch their boundaries and skirt the law about obscenity itself. I know that there are people lobbying in San Antonio that always try to get porn shops and strip clubs (er, sorry, "Gentlemen's/Sports Clubs/Bars") to move furhter form the city to the point where they are no longer in the city.
One of the things about that which pisses me off is that "wholesome" businesses have morepower than others, regardless of who was there first. A few strip clubs here had to move because they built a church (yes, a church is a business these days) near there, even though the club was there long before the church or its surrounding community.
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| Tashoku Kisune 2125th Post
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| "Re(1):illegalized anime" , posted Wed 10 Sep 07:12
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I may be a bit late picking up on this, but...
paraphrased from "Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003" or "PROTECT Act"
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/s151conf_002.pdf
(page 81)
ADDITIONAL OFFENSES - Any person who, in knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and is obscene; or depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex.
I thought it would be fun to start a list of commercially available products in the U.S.A. that violate this law as a service to help the feds get started cracking skulls. I'll get the ball rolling:
- Minnie May's blowjob and other sexual conduct in Gunsmith Cat's manga
- Rei sitting on Shinji's penis in End of Evangelion.
I'd also suggest feds go after Himeya's American branch
WARNING, CLICKING THAT LINK IS A FEDERAL CRIME.
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