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"good news everyone regarding PS3compatibility" , posted Tue 2 Sep 17:30:post reply


PS3 will be back compatable with PS2 and PS1!

That's the meat of it but here's the page long version:

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=2171

SCE boss confirms PS3 backwards compatibility

Rob Fahey 14:23 02/09/2003
World not exactly in shock, but nice to know all the same


Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has confirmed that the PlayStation 3 will feature backwards compatibility with the PS2 and PSone, ensuring continued support for older software formats in the new hardware.

Speaking to Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun, Kutaragi-san attributed some of the success of the PS2 to the console's ability to play PSone games as well as PS2 native titles, stating that this was "a matter of security... [PS2] offers a sense of insurance because it is compatible with PSone and DVD-Movies."

This trend - started by Sony with the PS2, as backwards compatibility in home consoles was certainly not the norm before then - is set to continue with the PS3, which will offer emulation for the PS2 and hence for the PSone.

"PSone runs on the PlayStation 2 through emulation rather than actual hardware. PlayStation 3 will offer the same compatibility for PS2 software and the format will continue forever," he explained.

It's expected that Microsoft's successor to the Xbox will also offer backwards compatibility with current hardware - although the recently announced decision to partner with ATI rather than NVIDIA may cause trouble in this respect, according to some graphics experts.

"ATI's hardware runs the same sort of pixel shaders and so on that the NVIDIA chipset does," one graphics programmer working on Xbox games explained to us, "but getting the hardware to exactly mimic the behaviour of an NVIDIA part could be very tricky... It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft can get Xbox 2 to play Xbox games without glitches, especially ones that have been written to tie in closely with the console's specs."





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"Re(1):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Tue 2 Sep 18:22:post reply


Last time I heard, it was supposed to be compatible with PlayStation 2 games, _not_ with PlayStation ones.
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This trend - started by Sony with the PS2, as backwards compatibility in home consoles was certainly not the norm before then - is set to continue with the PS3, which will offer emulation for the PS2 and hence for the PSone.

"Hence"?
Is it just me, or does it looks like whoever wrote this piece may well be _speculating_ about the PlayStation compatibility?
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"PSone runs on the PlayStation 2 through emulation rather than actual hardware. PlayStation 3 will offer the same compatibility for PS2 software and the format will continue forever," he explained.

Nothing about PlayStation compatibility, here...
But if PlayStation games run on the PlayStation 2 "through emulation", maybe there's still hope, I guess?...





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"Re(2):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:00post reply


There is a reason Sony bought out Connectix's Virtual Game Station assets...





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"Re(2):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:05post reply


This article already appeared on Slashdot Games, which has a somewhat higher quality discussion than Slashdot itself usually has, and after a fairly good discussion of the article, everyone was left THOROUGHLY confused.

See, here's the problem: the PS2 does not emulate the PlayStation. Instead, it has the chips that are specific to the PlayStation integrated onto the PS2 hardware. When you put a PSOne game in, it uses the original PSOne chips and combines them with the more generic portions of the PS2 hardware. In other words, there's both a PSOne and a PS2 inside the PS2's casing and no emulation is taking place at all.

"PSone runs on the PlayStation 2 through emulation rather than actual hardware. PlayStation 3 will offer the same compatibility for PS2 software and the format will continue forever," he explained.

This is the really confusing bit. He states a fact that is utterly WRONG ("PSOne runs on the PS2 through emulation") and then uses that incorrect statement to support his conclusion: "PS2 will offer the same compatibility". This makes the statement contradictory. If the PS3 emulates the PS2 hardware, then it doesn't offer the same compatibility that the PS2 does. If the PS3 offers the same compatibility that the PS2 does, then it doesn't emulate the PS2 hardware.

Most people are assuming that the PS3 will emulate the PS2 hardware, and that since the PSOne hardware is directly connected to the PS2 hardware, it will naturally emulate PSOne games. However, there are a couple of other assumptions that you could make from the information given, one being that the writer is completely wrong about the whole emulation thing and that the PS3 will just have a couple of PS2 chips on it like the PS2 did with the PSOne, and thus not play PSOne games.

It will probably play games from all three PlayStation consoles, but we'll have to wait for further clarification to really know for sure.





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"Re(2):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:25post reply


quote:

This trend - started by Sony with the PS2, as backwards compatibility in home consoles was certainly not the norm before then - is set to continue with the PS3, which will offer emulation for the PS2 and hence for the PSone.


Well the writer didn't seem to know about the Segas and Ataris and other systems that were back compatable before. PS2 starting a trend doesn't make sense unless he means for within Sony itself.

I checked a little for a copy of the original Asahi Shimbun article but none yet turned up via internet searches...





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"Re(3):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 05:40post reply


quote:

This trend - started by Sony with the PS2, as backwards compatibility in home consoles was certainly not the norm before then - is set to continue with the PS3, which will offer emulation for the PS2 and hence for the PSone.

Well the writer didn't seem to know about the Segas and Ataris and other systems that were back compatable before. PS2 starting a trend doesn't make sense unless he means for within Sony itself.

I checked a little for a copy of the original Asahi Shimbun article but none yet turned up via internet searches...


I'd read somewhere that Nintendo also had this idea moving from NES to SNES/SFC.But they gave up the idea due to the cost involved.





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"Re(3):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 09:12:post reply


quote:

Well the writer didn't seem to know about the Segas and Ataris and other systems that were back compatable before. PS2 starting a trend doesn't make sense unless he means for within Sony itself.



<nitpick>

You needed an optional adapter for Master System compatibility (The Power Base, plus it's own ac adapter) for the Genesis.

Same thing with the Atari 5200, regarding backwards compatibility with the 2600, though I don't know if it needed another ac adapter.

The Atari 7800 has built-in backwards compatibility for the 2600 games, but not for the 5200. This is like Nintendo releasing the Nintendo 64 with NES backward compatibility but not Snes support. It jumped a "generation".

Thus, the writer is right, as long as he is refering to backawrds built-in compatibility with the direct previous generation software.

</nitpick>

Anyway, I hope the news is real, though its true is confusing. I hope Nintendo and MS add some backwards compatibility to their next consoles.






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"Re(4):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 09:24post reply


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Anyway, I hope the news is real, though its true is confusing. I hope Nintendo and MS add some backwards compatibility to their next consoles.



I heard that the man responsible for the PS1 & PS2 has just left sony.... I'll check I find that again, but the forum on wich I saw it was down.... I guess I need sugar on my blood.





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"Re(5):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 10:11:post reply


quote:

I heard that the man responsible for the PS1 & PS2 has just left sony.... I'll check I find that again, but the forum on wich I saw it was down.... I guess I need sugar on my blood.



Chief Technical Officer Shin'ichi Okamoto did leave SCE, according to Gamesarefun.com, he was a team member of the developer group that is working on the PS3, but I'm not sure exactly what role he played on the creation of PS1 and PS2.






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"Re(1):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 11:29post reply


I think the only reason Sony makes systems backwards compatable is because they know their systems are hunks of crap and this way consumers can keep replacing broken machines and not feel like they've bought "6 PS1's" but rather "3 PS1's, 2 PS2's, and a PS3" (and unless my PS2 breaks again before the PS3's US release, guess count that is...)


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It's expected that Microsoft's successor to the Xbox will also offer backwards compatibility with current hardware - although the recently announced decision to partner with ATI rather than NVIDIA may cause trouble in this respect, according to some graphics experts.

"ATI's hardware runs the same sort of pixel shaders and so on that the NVIDIA chipset does," one graphics programmer working on Xbox games explained to us, "but getting the hardware to exactly mimic the behaviour of an NVIDIA part could be very tricky... It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft can get Xbox 2 to play Xbox games without glitches, especially ones that have been written to tie in closely with the console's specs."



It would be retarded for the XBox2 to be backwards compatable.

Unless it has a special "Make Christie Not Such a Bitch" and "Unlimited Koins" I see no reason to give up game saves I've worked so hard on to play on a new system.






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"Re(2):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 12:14post reply


I'm curious to see if they'll make the PSP compatible with it. I'm going to guess no, but since the architecture is supposedly so similar to that of the PS2...





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"Re(3):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 13:32post reply


The final product will probably end up being PS2 chips in the console to play the PS2 games, and PS1 compatibility, to save a little cash, will most likely be emulated.





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"Re(4):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 13:41post reply


quote:

Well the writer didn't seem to know about the Segas and Ataris and other systems that were back compatable before. PS2 starting a trend doesn't make sense unless he means for within Sony itself.


<nitpick>

You needed an optional adapter for Master System compatibility (The Power Base, plus it's own ac adapter) for the Genesis.

Same thing with the Atari 5200, regarding backwards compatibility with the 2600, though I don't know if it needed another ac adapter.

The Atari 7800 has built-in backwards compatibility for the 2600 games, but not for the 5200. This is like Nintendo releasing the Nintendo 64 with NES backward compatibility but not Snes support. It jumped a "generation".

Thus, the writer is right, as long as he is refering to backawrds built-in compatibility with the direct previous generation software.

</nitpick>

Anyway, I hope the news is real, though its true is confusing. I hope Nintendo and MS add some backwards compatibility to their next consoles.

I don't think he ment the trend of back compatibility directly to the previous system and without an add on. Though it's interesting to look at the or list those systems that 'skipped a generation' or needed an add on. Gameboy through Gameboy Advance were all back compatable directly.
Coleco played Atari games.





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"Re: Good news regarding PS3 compatibility" , posted Wed 3 Sep 18:28post reply


It works with HDTV, it plays DVD movies, it'll most liely have networking (wireless?) built-in, it'll probably have TiVO functionality, it does this Cell Technology thing with other equipment, it'll link up to the PSP, it is backwards-compatible with the PS2 (and, logic dictates, the PSOne)...

At this point, I'm wondering if the PS3 will be compatible with PS3 games.

Though, as a side note, I suppose we'll probably end up with "Dual Shock 3" controllers that look and feel almost exactly like the ones we have now. *sigh*





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"Re(5):good news everyone regarding PS3compati" , posted Wed 3 Sep 20:00post reply


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Gameboy through Gameboy Advance were all back compatable directly.



Yes, however usually there is a distinction made between portable consoles and home consoles, since supousedly both fulfill a different need ("gaming on the go" / "gaming at home")

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Coleco played Atari games.



Yes, with an optional adapter called Expansion Module 1, I think. They supousedly planned an Intellevision adapter, too, but never released it.






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