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| Grave 635th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):K9999 vs Dio"
, posted Mon 1 Sep 22:18
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Sorry if someone else has already pointed this out, but this has been bugging me for a while and i havent found any other info regarding this matter on the internet...
Anyhow, it's obvious that K9999 is an homage to Tetsuo from Akira, but there's another character that hes largely based off of: "Dio" from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Has anyone else ever noticed that a good chunk of K9999's movements are just redrawn versions of Dio's animations from the Capcom fighter? I mean, its pretty blatant once you notice. Off the top of my head K999's got the same stance, same walk cycle, same projectile throwing motion and a very similar kick as Dio. For a good comparission between the two characters look at the following links:
Here's Dio's Walking animation:
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/shadowdio.html
and scroll down on this page to see K9999's:
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/k9999.html
Just food for thought. Not a big deal and pretty understandable when you consider that Eolith probably had alot of new, less experienced artists and programers when they created him (on a related note May Lee looks to have original moves and is probably the most poorly animated character in the game).
Anyhow, it makes me wonder if this sort of animation borrowing has happened anywhere else.
Interesting... but I initially read this thread as "K9999 vs. Dion", which was a lot more interesting initially!
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 2228th Post
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|  "Re(1):K9999 vs Dio"
, posted Mon 1 Sep 22:50:
i kinda wish i've played JoJo before so i could see exactly what you're talking about. this kinda shit really interests me
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Anyhow, it makes me wonder if this sort of animation borrowing has happened anywhere else.
i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "animation borrowing" but some "similar fighting styles" off the top of my head are
:: Kyosuke (Rival Schools) and Iori (King of Fighters) ::
i swear, they fight the exact same way. not really a closed fist or an open palm but "maybe" some sort of claw. instead of a "normal" punch or kick, they throw their limbs out there like a "fierce slap." i didn't even notice it until CvS2, and i've never seen anyone else with that fighting style before. i'm wondering if anyone knows any origins of it
:: Iincyo / Chairperson (Rival Schools) and Lei Fei (Virtua Fighter) ::
i'm thinking it's gotta be some kinda Chinese martial art. they both fight at a proper, upright position and their blows are delivered systematically. each hit is executed at the same amount of time it took to deliver the last
:: Momo (Justice Gakuen) and May (Guilty Gear) ::
not much a real martial art, but still a few similarities. 1) large weapon used for excellent range, 2) command throw, 3) and of course the multi-hit air move
:: Zaki (Justice Gakuen) and Baiken (Guilty Gear) ::
not too many similarities here. all i've gotta say about these two is the red hair, deep voice, and the chain. Baiken's the bastard child of Zaki and Kenshin
i could probably name a dozen more, but these are the rarer similar characters i've seen in games (well, off the top of my head). by the way, i'm not putting down any of the characters i'm naming. just pointing out their similarities. i think it's interesting. it also makes me wonder if some of the newer characters would have existed if the older ones had not, and how much the newer characters would have changed if the older, similar characters were never created
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well, i've got a few more
:: Sanosuke (Rurouni Kenshin) and Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear) ::
the hair, the face, the whole "wicked" routine (it says "bad" or "wicked" on Sano's back, right?), and of course that devil-may-care attitude
:: Demitri (Vampire Savior) and Zato-One / Eddie (Guilty Gear) ::
how the "demon" takes shape during certain moves / whenever they're injured
:: Vicious (Cowboy Bebop) and Setsuna (Last Blade) ::
ever wanna play as Vicious in a fighting game? the hair, the covering of the face, both are swordsmen, both are pretty evil
hmm, i'll stop while i'm ahead, although i will say Bridget looks a lot like that chick in Chrno Crusade
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| DarkZero 251th Post
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| "Re(2):K9999 vs Dio" , posted Mon 1 Sep 23:23
quote : Kyosuke (Rival Schools) and Iori (King of Fighters) ::
i swear, they fight the exact same way. not really a closed fist or an open palm but "maybe" some sort of claw. instead of a "normal" punch or kick, they throw their limbs out there like a "fierce slap." i didn't even notice it until CvS2, and i've never seen anyone else with that fighting style before. i'm wondering if anyone knows any origins of it
In the original Rival Schools, or at least the arcade version that I've played, Kyosuke's fighting technique is actually based more heavily on a tapping or stabbing motion with his fingers, presumably aiming for pressure points. He also takes several odd, seemingless useless stances which remind me of Tai Chi, or at least "movie Tai Chi". I didn't think that the original Rival Schools version of Kyosuke acted much like Iori at all.
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:: Vicious (Cowboy Bebop) and Setsuna (Last Blade) ::
ever wanna play as Vicious in a fighting game? the hair, the covering of the face, both are swordsmen, both are pretty evil
Don't forget about the bird, man. It's all about the bird.
And as for K9999, considering that he's a copy of a well-known anime and manga character already, could his stances and walking animation be a homage to Dio instead of a rip-off? When a normal character acts like a character from another game, accusing them of a sort of... "sprite plagiarism", I guess, seems natural. But when a homage character acts just like another character? That seems more likely to me to have been intended than to be the product of laziness.
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| Toxico 3138th Post
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|  "Re(3):MUGEN! *schwing*"
, posted Tue 2 Sep 11:28:
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You can program anything you like, as long as you're able and MUGEN doesn't prevent it for one reason or another. It's a pretty flexible engine, but it's not limitless even though the name suggests it.
Yes, there are limitations... For example I remember than an ancient version of Mugen didn't allowed transparencies (dunno now). But netherless you can do many things, for example you could take an existing Mugen character and change his voice, name or even adding more moves using existing sprites (striker attack, new super based on exisiting moves). It's hard to learn but pretty fun when you get a grip of it.
... I remember I had a Maxima with my own voice and many.... Improvements.... Damn, those throws where hard to 'construct'.
ON TOPIC (the "siblings"), I would like to list: Ryoko = World Heroes (ADK) and Ryoko = Fighters History (Data East)... You could tell the "lack of mind" on the design, similar moves, voice, looks and same name.... Ha ha ha... (I'll post pics later).
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| Dr Baghead 2498th Post
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| "Re(4):MUGEN! *schwing*" , posted Tue 2 Sep 20:29
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MUGEN SUCKS BECAUSE IT HAS INFINITES AND IT IS BROKEN AND IT SHOULD BE BANNED.
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...Sorry. Couldn't resist.
 bored
Mugen does kind of suck... mostly because I don't have the time and energy to rip/convert every KoF character and background on my own.
Now I'm sure one must be saying to that "but Dr.Baghead (or Dr.B/Baggie/Bag-O/some other shorthand name you've made up for me) aren't most, if not all, the KoF characters already on Mugen?"
the answer to that is "yes and no", Yes because with little to no searching you can find them for Mugen, but no because many have been "improved" by the converters... I don't want MvC style Leona, an Angel with SvC2 style Grooves, a Terry with inflated power, or a naked Mai that shoots out a million Hadokens for her SDM, I just want a character with no added moves/play styles/costumes (the exception of course is adding a move they had in past game but lost over time, those additions are nice) I just want a character that's as close as possible to their arcade counter part!!!
and until MUGEN isn't over run with people who think Dan "sucks" unless he uses all of MvC Akuma's attacks it will never be possible to have the perfect KoF dreammatch I've been dreaming of -__-,
Devil May Cry:the movie - A ViewAskew Production?
Click the tag to see that Dante and more at Baghead's not-so-good custom figures page!
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"Re(4):K9999 vs Dio" 
Poppy!
