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| Hungrywolf 2289th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):SvC2,likely?"
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After finally playing SvC,and having mixed feelings on the game,I was pondering when I was playing the game whether or not Playmore will make another one?
The cast was kind of bland in this game. Yeah,yeah,I'm sure we've all heard the ranting before. So I won't go further. (NO T&C! THAT'S A CRIME!)......OK. Now I won't go no further. 
Do you think this game was a big enough success to have another(like the CvS series was)?
I think a sequel will happen. I mean the game sold out of the 1st shipping and everything. Maybe if the home console versions will do well, that will help SNK Playmore make another game too.
probably will be a sequel with more characters and more selection, and probably still no T and C, oh well, I don't care that much about it. I do like Cammy, but I can live without her. I mean, I haven't been able to play as Mary in any game other than KoF and Garou Densetsu and I deal with that, don't I? (Not even the Neo Geo Pocket games had Mary in them (I know the card ones did, you know what I mean)) Anyway, the second one will probably improve much as CvS2 did for CvS. I think I'll like SvC when I do play it. As for the roster, I don't find it bland at all. In fact, it's incredibly fresh. I didn't expect it to have such variety.
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| TiamatRoar 462th Post
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| "Re(1):SvC2,likely?" , posted Sun 31 Aug 19:14
I think the cast got interesting when they threw in Zero, Mars People, Original Athena, and Red Arremer. Those four alone increased the game representation variety by like, 50%, and also Athena increased the female representation variety by about 17.5% or so. With a SvC2, where hopefully Athena and Red Arremer will be balanced to be less... boss-ish (since there'll probably be new bosses to take their place), things would be even better.
Anyways, Playmore has the Capcom sprites now and the game did sell and the franchise power of both SNK and Capcom continues to sell games so I'd be surprised as heck if there weren't an SvC2. Even if it is dead in Japan now, the cabinets sold and Playmore made the money, and with the amount of initial fervor, I think most arcade operators made a profit on the thing too (though admittingly, I don't know the arcade business too well, but that was a lot of quarters being plunked in for that first couple of months). I'd also be surprised as heck if Cammy weren't in it, really. I'm not too surprised that she was passed up for the first game, but I find it hard to believe she'd be passed up a second time. She's just like... too popular for that as far as I know.
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| iggy 1524th Post
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| "Re(2):SvC2,likely?" , posted Mon 1 Sep 03:41:
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Athena increased the female representation variety by about 17.5% or so.
Yes, that was the most surprising part, especially given the fact it was SNK who did the game ("OK, we need a new character for KOF! Hmmm... so... She will have huge boobs, be really young, have fancy clothes so people can cosplay, and have some retarded otaku-related references! What? Oh, yes, she must fight too").
The absence of Yuri and Sakura (who I hate, but let's face it) is the best proof of the upcoming sequel. Although I wouldn't mind Sakura beeing ditched away and replaced by Lilith in the moemoe department (if she is as well redone as Demitori, and with the "versatility" of her wings... Oh my god, she will need a whole comicket just for the dôjin about her alone.)
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| DarkZero
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| "Re(6):SvC2,likely?" , posted Mon 1 Sep 05:30
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> > What about space constraints though? I would assume this one is pushing Neo-Geo to the max so a sequel would probably mean the removal of some characters to put in new ones.
> There really isn't a "max" as such, it just depends on how much in the way of hardware they're willing to stuff in the cart. Doing the games on PCBs instead of in carts allows for more flexibility, too.
Oh? If so, then why didn't MVS KoF2K2 have King and Shingo in them?
KOF2k2 was an MVS cart, while SvC was a PCB with an MVS-like architecture. You can only add so much memory to a cart due to physical space limitations, but a PCB is much larger and can have more chips added to it as needed. Thanks to the idea of putting an MVS-like architecture on a PCB, the MVS could effectively live forever, supporting successively larger and larger games.
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Also, to the person who said SvC is the biggest selling Snk game in years: Is this for arcade, or (pre-sold) home carts?
I'm pretty sure it was both. It was a very high profile title and thanks to the fact that it was on a PCB, the number of buyers could exceed the number of arcade owners that own an MVS cart system.
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I just hope and pray that they move the new one to new hardware. The whole novelty of having Capcom characters on the Neo will be long gone, and all they'll have to rely on is better gameplay, larger roster, and better graphics.
There's not much chance of that happening. They just made all of those Capcom sprites and moving to new hardware would necessitate that they make new, higher quality sprites for all of the characters in SvC. That's still a bit much to expect from a company that was bankrupt just a short time ago and is just now getting back on its feet.
The only thing we can hope for is a new MVS game with better gameplay and better quality control to prevent infinites and such from ruining the competitiveness of the game.
And personally, I don't think that SvC2 is coming any time soon. SNK was smart this time and made SvC something more than just another KOF. Doing another SvC in just a year or two would be a huge mistake, since it would bring us back to the drudgery of minor upgrade games such as KOF2k and KOF2k1. I'd rather that they focus on other projects like Mark of the Wolves 2, Last Blade 3, or, *GASP*, an entirely new game. I think a lot of us would also prefer a game with fewer characters and tighter gameplay to another KOF or SvC forty character mess.
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| DarkZero 262th Post
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| "Re(8):SvC2,likely?" , posted Thu 4 Sep 02:05
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Okay, but this changing of the arcade architecture - how is it still going to be compatible with the home Neo Geo/AES (I get confused on which is which) systems? Aren't they going to reach a point where they'll have an arcade game that won't be able to run on the home systems? *is confused*
Whether or not they will take advantage of what the PCB can do for them right now is up in the air. They could be selling SvC on a PCB solely to take advantage of the fact that there are more arcade owners with free arcade cabinets than there are arcade owners with multi-slot MVS kits. However, I believe that they COULD extend the MVS's limitations via the PCB if they wanted to, though that would probably mean abandoning the AES.
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Also, since SvC is technically not an MVS cart, does that mean that you don't need an arcade with an MVS system to get the game? It's essentially a stand alone system/game?
Exactly. It comes on a PCB just like every other non-CD/cart game. It is essentially its own system with a single game built into it and it looks sort of like a motherboard.
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That is not quite true. They used the PCB because of security issues. The problem are not the physical limitations, because there are memory blocks with much more capacity then the ones currently used for the neo-geo carts BUT the problem is that the system architecture can not adress the additional memory.
So the PCB has not a mvs like architecture, it has the mvs architecture, otherwise a home cart would not be possible.
Well, first off, I'd really like to see a link for some of this. The statements I've heard so far regarding the PCB being a security measure have, much like your statement, been nothing more than self-contained statements without facts or reasoning. I'm supposed to assume that a PCB is more secure and that that is DEFINITELY the motivation for the change to a PCB among all of SNK's other possible motivations. Those are some pretty big assumptions, especially when you're telling me both that the PCB is different from an MVS cart in that it has more security, but is still the exact same MVS architecture. Where is the evidence for this?
Also, the contradiction in what you're saying would also make the entire security issue irrelevant. If the PCB somehow offers more security than the MVS, but the AES will be the same as a standard MVS cart, then the game could be dumped from the AES cart before the PS2 or Xbox console ports of SvC are released. Considering that new SNK games often aren't dumped until a few months after their initial arcade release anyway, that means that the situation will not have changed. SvC, like most KOF games, would have a decent arcade run followed by poor console port sales and diminished extended arcade play because people can just download it at home a few months after its release.
I've also never heard anything about memory limitations in the MVS and AES besides the price and the space inside the cart. Provided that SNK abandoned the AES, I don't see any reason why they couldn't expand the base MVS architecture with more memory on an arcade PCB.
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| CPSIII
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| "Re(9):SvC2,likely?" , posted Thu 4 Sep 02:22
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Also, the contradiction in what you're saying would also make the entire security issue irrelevant. If the PCB somehow offers more security than the MVS, but the AES will be the same as a standard MVS cart, then the game could be dumped from the AES cart before the PS2 or Xbox console ports of SvC are released. Considering that new SNK games often aren't dumped until a few months after their initial arcade release anyway, that means that the situation will not have changed. SvC, like most KOF games, would have a decent arcade run followed by poor console port sales and diminished extended arcade play because people can just download it at home a few months after its release.
What they wanted to cut is not the dumping of ROMs for Emulations but the ability for software pirates to get the ROM information and manufacture bootlegs which are WAY cheaper and therefore could easily deliver them a big financial loss.
You know I cannot look in one of SNKs CEOs heads but my GUESS is that once the homecard is released they simlply do not care THAT MUCH anymore because most of the arcade operators that are interested in the game have it already and it is unlikely that there is a burst in interest because of the home release and the following descending interest at the game in the arcades.
You see it is not a contradiction.
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I've also never heard anything about memory limitations in the MVS and AES besides the price and the space inside the cart. Provided that SNK abandoned the AES, I don't see any reason why they couldn't expand the base MVS architecture with more memory on an arcade PCB.
Its a fact that the additional Memory could not be addressed by the MVS system.
And what you say contradicts itself because if I put in a memory block with more capicity in a MVS cart it would be possible for the AES cart too, therefore it would not be needed to abandon the AES.
They could however change the system architecture of the mvs to be able to use more memory but that would be stupid, because they would have to abandon the AES while still using a dated system while they could use new hardware.
You know when they kill of the AES the MVS becomes obsolete. There would be no point in using a dated hard and software anymore.
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| DarkZero 264th Post
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| "Re(10):SvC2,likely?" , posted Thu 4 Sep 10:25
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What they wanted to cut is not the dumping of ROMs for Emulations but the ability for software pirates to get the ROM information and manufacture bootlegs which are WAY cheaper and therefore could easily deliver them a big financial loss.
Hold on. Let's go back a second here before we lose each other some more. Are you saying that it's more secure because there's security ON the PCB or because the security IS the PCB, i.e. that a PCB is more secure than a cart? The latter doesn't really make much sense, but the former does, even though I'd need a link to an actual technical spec to believe it. The most I've seen about the PCB's security is some conjecture early on about how there "seems to be" some added security on the PCB. So far, I haven't seen anyone take a serious look at the chips on it.
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Its a fact that the additional Memory could not be addressed by the MVS system.
And what you say contradicts itself because if I put in a memory block with more capicity in a MVS cart it would be possible for the AES cart too, therefore it would not be needed to abandon the AES.
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of several smaller chips instead of moving up to chips with larger and larger capacities over time. I could be wrong, but I think that several low-end chips would probably cost a lot less than a few high-end chips, and that that would keep the cost of the outdated MVS system from becoming prohibitive. Unless the market for arcade chips is much more innovative and competitive than I've been lead to believe, then the continued use of enormous, and successively larger, chips must be a financial burden to SNK.
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You know when they kill of the AES the MVS becomes obsolete. There would be no point in using a dated hard and software anymore.
Aside from the low cost of development, the low graphical expectations that let them repeatedly reuse sprites without complaint, the continued high sales, the ability to tweak MVS-specific fighting game engines like the KOF engine instead of writing completely new ones for a new hardware, and the fact that shiny new hardware has little more to offer a 2D fighting game than high res sprites that are more expensive and time-consuming to produce?
SNK doesn't even exploit the full potential of the MVS as it is. The last three KOFs had horrible backgrounds, the same sprites that they've been using for years, and the same engine that KOF has always had. All of these things could've been done differently, but they weren't because making decent backgrounds, new sprites, and new game engines is much more expensive than churning out the same thing that they always do and raking in a substantial profit. Even SvC, SNK's most ambitious game in recent memory, suffers from this same laziness. Sprites like Kyo, Iori, and Terry could've been spruced up to the level of Marspeople and Athena, but instead they opted to use the same sprites for them that they've been using for more than five years. Why? Because it's cheaper. And if a new cast of low res sprites is too expensive for them, I doubt that they would be willing to make new high res sprites for the entire casts of their flagship titles.
The MVS lets SNK make games with tons of rehashed sprites like Samurai Spirits Zero. That's why they're sticking with the MVS, not because of the AES. That stopped being the selling point of the MVS/AES architecture a long time ago.
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"SvC2,likely?" 
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